Crash kills Ohio 2004 fix suspect mid-court

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Postby Jeff » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:38 pm

GOP consultant killed in plane crash was warned of sabotage: report

John Byrne, David Edwards and Stephen Webster
Published: Monday December 22, 2008

The Republican consultant accused of involvement in alleged vote-rigging in Ohio in 2004 was warned that his plane might be sabotaged before his death in a crash Friday night, according to a Cleveland CBS affiliate.

45-year-old Republican operative Michael Connell was killed when his single-passenger plane crashed Friday into a home in a suburb of Akron, Ohio. The consultant was called to testify in federal court regarding a lawsuit alleging that he took part in tampering with Ohio's voting results in the 2004 election.

Without getting into specific details, 19 Action News reporter Blake Renault reported Sunday evening that 45-year-old Republican operative and experienced pilot had been warned not to fly his plane in the days before the crash.

"Connell...was apparently told by a close friend not to fly his plane because his plane might be sabotaged," Renault said. "And twice in the last two months Connell, who is an experienced pilot, cancelled two flights because of suspicious problems with his plane."


Renault called Connell's death "untimely."

The National Transportation Safety Board and Federal Aviation Administration are now investigating the crash. According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, no new information has been made available since the incident occurred.

Connell was the subject of a lawsuit by liberal lawyer Clifford Arnebeck, perhaps most well known for suing on behalf of 37 Ohio residents to block Bush's electoral college victory in 2004. Arnebeck had alleged Connell's involvement in a ploy to "flip" votes from then Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry to then-President George W. Bush.

Connell was ordered to testify in the suit in October, and told a federal court that he had no involvement and knew of no plan to switch votes in Ohio in 2004.

The Plain Dealer made no mention at all of the suit in their article Monday.

Connell was the founder of Ohio-based New Media Communications, which created campaign Web sites for George W. Bush and John McCain.

Arnebeck warned the Justice Department that Connell's safety was in jeopardy earlier this year. In July, he wrote an email to Attorney General Michael Mukasey, requesting witness protection for the GOP operative, which was carbon copied to Democratic Congressmen John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI) and Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), who were sympathetic to his 2004 lawsuit over Ohio's electoral votes.

"I have informed court chambers and am in the process of informing the Ohio Attorney General's and US Attorney's offices in Columbus for the purpose, among other things, of seeking protection for Mr. Connell and his family from this reported attempt to intimidate a witness," Arnebeck wrote. "Because of the serious engagement in this matter that began in 2000 of the Ohio Statehouse Press Corps, 60 Minutes, the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, C-Span and Jim VandeHei, and the public's right to know of gross attempts to subvert the rule of law, I am forwarding this information to them, as well."

Connell's exploits as a top GOP IT 'guru' have been well documented by RAW STORY's investigative team.

The interest in Mike Connell stems from his association with a firm called GovTech, which he had spun off from his own New Media Communications under his wife Heather Connell’s name. GovTech was hired by Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell to set up an official election website at election.sos.state.oh.us to present the 2004 presidential returns as they came in.

Connell is a long-time GOP operative, whose New Media Communications provided web services for the Bush-Cheney ’04 campaign, the US Chamber of Commerce, the Republican National Committee and many Republican candidates.

Alternative media group ePlubibus Media further discovered in November 2006 that election.sos.state.oh.us was hosted on the servers of a company in Chattanooga, TN called SmarTech, which also provided hosting for a long list of Republican Internet domains.

“Since early this decade, top Internet ‘gurus’ in Ohio have been coordinating web services with their GOP counterparts in Chattanooga, wiring up a major hub that in 2004, first served as a conduit for Ohio's live election night results,” researchers at ePluribus Media wrote.

A few months after this revelation, when a scandal erupted surrounding the firing of US Attorneys for reasons of White House policy, other researchers found that the gwb43 domain used by members of the White House staff to evade freedom of information laws by sending emails outside of official White House channels was hosted on those same SmarTech servers.

RAW STORY Investigative Editor Larisa Alexandrovna said Connell's death should be examined carefully in a blog post Sunday, but stopped short of alleging foul play. She reported on Arnebeck's lawsuit and Connell's enjoined testimony earlier this year.

"He has flown his private plane for years without incident," Alexandrovna wrote. "I know he was going to DC last night, but I don't know why. He apparently ran out of gas, something I find hard to believe. I am not saying that this was a hit nor am I resigned to this being simply an accident either. I am no expert on aviation and cannot provide an opinion on the matter. What I am saying, however, is that given the context, this event needs to be examined carefully."

more at link, including video report:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Killed_GO ... _1222.html
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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:40 am

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/22/ ... s_in_plane



http://www.alternet.org/rights/114674/r ... o_testify/


Republican IT Guru for Rove and McCain Warned of Sabotage, Dies After Crashing His Plane -- Was Set to Testify

By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now!. Posted December 22, 2008.



Mike Connell, the chief IT consultant to Karl Rove, had reportedly asked for protective custody from the government before he died. Tools


Amy Goodman: A top Republican internet strategist who was set to testify in a case alleging election tampering in 2004 in Ohio has died in a plane crash. Mike Connell was the chief IT consultant to Karl Rove and created websites for the Bush and McCain electoral campaigns. He also set up the official Ohio state election website reporting the 2004 presidential election returns.

Connell was reportedly an experienced pilot. He died instantly Friday night when his private plane crashed in a residential neighborhood near Akron, Ohio.

Michael Connell was deposed one day before the election this year by attorneys Cliff Arnebeck and Bob Fitrakis about his actions during the 2004 vote count and his access to Karl Rove's e-mail files and how they went missing.

Velvet Revolution, a non-profit investigating Connell's activities, revealed this weekend that Connell had recently said he was afraid George Bush and Dick Cheney would "throw [him] under the bus." Cliff Arnebeck had also previously alerted Attorney General Michael Mukasey to alleged threats from Karl Rove to Connell if he refused to "take the fall."

Well, Mark Crispin Miller joins us now, a professor of media culture and communication at New York University, the author of several books, including Loser Take All: Election Fraud and the Subversion of Democracy, 2000-2008 and Fooled Again: How the Right Stole the 2004 Election & Why They'll Steal the Next One Too. Mark Crispin Miller us now in our firehouse studio.

Welcome to Democracy Now!

Mark Crispin Miller: It's good to be here, Amy. Thank you.

AG: Alright, well, we had you on right before the election, because that's when Mike Connell was being deposed. This news that came out of his death in a plane crash on Friday night, talk about what you understand has happened.

MCM: Well, I cannot assert with perfect confidence that this was no accident, but I will say that the circumstances are so suspicious and so convenient for Rove and the White House that I think we're obliged to investigate this thing very, very thoroughly. And that means, first of all, taking a close look at some of the stories that were immediately circulated to account for what happened, that it was bad weather. That was the line they used when Wellstone's plane went down. There had been bad weather, but it had passed two hours before. And this comes from a woman at the airport information desk in Akron. We're told that his plane was running out of gas, which is a little bit odd for a highly experienced pilot like Connell, but apparently, when the plane went down, there was an explosion, a fireball that actually charred and pocked some of the house fronts in the neighborhood. People can go online and see the footage that news crews took. But beyond the, you know, dubiousness of the official story, we have to take a close look at -- and a serious look at all the charges that Connell was set to make.

AG: Now, he had asked the Attorney General Mukasey for protective custody, because of threats to him and his wife?

MCM: He reported threats to his lawyer, Cliff Arnebeck, and Arnebeck -- also, Velvet Revolution heard from tipsters, as well, tipsters who also claimed that Connell's life was at risk. Stephen Spoonamore, the whistleblower who was the first -- who was the one to name Connell in the first place, also had an ear to the inside. He's also very connected. And all these people were saying Rove is making threats, the White House is very worried about this case.

Having heard all this, Arnebeck contacted Mukasey, he contacted Nancy Rogers, who is the Ohio Attorney General, and he wrote a letter to the court, telling all of them that "This man should be in protective custody. He is an important witness in a RICO case. Please do something to look after him." And they didn't respond to this.

AG: So, explain what this case is all about and exactly what Mike Connell has been doing over these last years. What does it mean to be Karl Rove's IT guru?

MCM: Well, the lawyers in the case refer to him as a high-IQ Forrest Gump, by which they mean that he seems to have been present at the scene of every dubious election of the last eight years. We're talking about Florida in 2000. We're talking about Ohio in 2004. We're talking about Alabama in 2002. He seems to have been involved in the theft of Don Siegelman's re-election for governor. There's some evidence that links him with the Saxby Chambliss-Max Cleland Senate race in Georgia in 2002. To be Karl Rove's IT guru seems to have meant basically setting it up so that votes could be electronically shaved to the disadvantage of the Democrats and the advantage of Republicans.

AG: What do you mean, "electronically shaved"? I mean, you've got all these precincts all over Ohio. They're counting up their votes. What does he have to do with this?

MCM: Well, specifically, there's a computer architecture setup called "Man in the Middle," which involves shunting the election returns from, you know, the state in question -- in this case, Ohio -- shunting them to a separate computer elsewhere. All of the election returns in Ohio in 2004 went from the Secretary of State's website -- this is Ken Blackwell -- to a separate computer in a basement in Chattanooga, Tennessee, which was under the control of another private company called SMARTech.

So we have now two private companies: GovTech Solutions, which is Connell's company, SMARTech, which is run by a guy named [Jeff] Averbeck. And the company -- the third private company that managed the voting tabulators in Ohio was called Triad. All three of these companies worked closely together on election night in Ohio in 2004. It turns out that the state's own IT person was sent home at 9:00 p.m. They said, "Go ahead. Go home. We'll take care of this." So that this trio of highly partisan and, let me add, Christianist companies basically took over the whole --

AG: What do you mean, "Christianist"?

MCM: Well, they're radical theocratic activists, particularly -- particularly Triad and SMARTech. You know, they are fervently anti-choice.

AG: Well, Mike Connell was, in fact -- many said that's what motivated him through all of this, his fierce anti-abortion stance.

MCM: He told -- Connell told Spoonamore that one of the primary reasons why he helped Bush-Cheney steal elections was to save the babies. I do think, though, that we have to draw a distinction between Connell, on the one hand, and the Averbeck and the Rapp family, on the other hand, because Connell was far less ferocious in his political views. He was an ardent anti-abortionist, it's true, but he wasn't quite as hardcore as the others. And in fact, you know, he was a little bit alienated from the others, and that's one of the reasons why he was inclined to talk, and so on.

But the fact is, to answer your question, that on election night in 2004, it had been Connell, with these other two companies working with him, who had managed the computer setup, enabling Ken Blackwell to study the maps of precincts and voter turnout very carefully and figure out how many votes they need. By shunting the data to Chattanooga, they kind of slowed down the data stream.

AG: Wasn't Karl Rove's email also there in Chattanooga on some of these servers?

MCM: Yes, yes. The same servers were used to host a whole bunch of highly partisan websites. And also, indeed, Karl Rove's emails were on that server, too.

AG: That have gone missing.

MCM: That have gone missing. Incidentally, Stephen Spoonamore, again, the whistleblower who's the one who named Connell, has told us -- and I've seen his own contemporary notes --

AG: And explain again who he was. Why was he in a position to whistleblow?

MCM: Stephen Spoonamore is a conservative Republican, a former McCain supporter and a very prominent expert at the detection of computer fraud. He's the star witness in the Ohio lawsuit, right, in which Connell was involved. He has done extensive work of this kind, involving computer security, and had therefore worked with Connell, knew Connell personally and knew a lot of the people who were involved in the sort of cyber-security end of the Bush operation.

Despite his conservatism -- or I suppose some would say because of it -- he's a man of principle -- I mean, believes in the Constitution. He believes elections should be honest. He's the one who came forward and named Connell.

And I have seen his notes of a conversation in which Connell asked Spoonamore how one would go about destroying White House emails. To this, Spoonamore said, "This conversation is over. You're asking me to do something illegal." But clearly, clearly -- this is the important point -- Mike Connell was up past his eyeballs in the most sensitive and explosive aspects of this crime family that, you know, has been masquerading as a political party.



AG: And what did Fitrakis, the attorney who has brought the suit with Harvey Wasserman, the Ohio lawsuit, learn in the deposition of Mike Connell in the day before the election, which hardly got attention, considering it was the day before this historic election?

MCM: Yeah. Harvey wasn't part of it. Harvey writes articles with Bob. It's Bob Fitrakis and Cliff Arnebeck are the attorneys. They learned very little. What they learned was that Bush-Cheney lawyer who accompanied Connell to the deposition was watching the whole thing like a hawk, repeatedly objected to questions. Connell was stonewalling like crazy at this deposition.

They only learned one thing. And that was, they got confirmation that it was Connell who brought these other private companies into the arrangement, in addition to his own GovTech Solutions. Again, there was Triad and SMARTech. It was Connell who brought those three companies into one unit, so that the three of them were, in effect, handling Ohio's election returns on election night under Connell's supervision. That's what we learned.

We also know, Amy, that since the deposition -- I want to make this clear; we said it before, I want to repeat it -- that Connell has indicated very clearly a desire to talk further, to tell more, whether it's his conscience bothering him or whether it's fear of some kind of a perjury charge because of how vigorously he stonewalled at the deposition. He made it known to the lawyers, he made it known to reporter Larisa Alexandrovna of Raw Story, that he wanted to talk. He was scared. He wanted to talk. And I say that he had pretty good reason to be scared.

AG: So why did he fly in -- why did he pilot his own plane when he was so afraid?

MCM: Well, that's a good question. We can't ask him, unfortunately. I mean, this is kind of a grisly thought, but, I mean, I think we should be asking where the body is. We're told that a trooper on the scene immediately identified Connell. But then we read elsewhere that there was nothing left but debris and that the fireball was enormous. So maybe he wasn't on the plane. I mean, who knows, when you're dealing with people as deep as these?

But the point is -- I can't stress this strongly enough -- we're dealing not just with a shocking accident, if that's what it was, and a convenient one. We're dealing not even just with a particular lawsuit that, you know, really requires vigorous promotion. The important point here is that this is all about our elections. That's what this is about. This is about democratic self-government.

The fact that Obama won so handily has caused a lot of us to sit back and relax. There's been a lot of popping of champagne corks and people drawing the conclusion that the system must work, because our guy won. Well, this is not a sports event. This is self-government.

In fact, the evidence strongly suggests -- and we haven't had a chance to talk about this since Election Day -- that Obama probably won by twice as many votes as we think. Probably a good seven million votes for Obama were undone through vote suppression and fraud, because the stuff was extensive and pervasive, in places where you wouldn't expect it.

The Illinois Ballot Integrity Project was monitoring the vote in DuPage County, right next door to Obama's, you know, backyard, Cook County. And two of them, in only two precincts on Election Day, saw with their own eyes 350 voters show up, only to be turned away, told, "You're not registered," people who were registered, who voted in the primary. All but one of these people was black. That's in Illinois.

People at the Election Defense Alliance have discovered, from sifting through the numbers, an eleven-point red shift in New Hampshire. That means that there's a discrepancy in Obama's disfavor, primarily through use of the optical scan machines, an eleven-point discrepancy in the Republicans' favor, OK?

You start to combine this with all the vote suppression, all the disenfranchisement, all the vote machine flipping that went on in this election, you realize, OK, Obama won, but millions of Americans, most of them African American and students, you know, were not able to participate in any civic sense, ironically, a lot of the same people, you know, who would have been disenfranchised and were disenfranchised before the civil rights movement. So the fact that a black president was elected, while cause for jubilation, see, ought not to take place at the expense of a whole lot of our fellow citizens who seem to have been disenfranchised on racial grounds. My point is very simply this: We've got to get past the victory of Obama and look seriously at what our election system is like, or else, I promise you, see, the setup that was put in place in this last election, in 2004 and in 2000, OK, will still be there in 2010, still be there in 2012. So we've got to take steps to do something about it now.

AG: Mark Crispin Miller, I want to thank you very much for being with us, professor of media culture and communication at New York University, most recent book Loser Take All: Election Fraud and the Subversion of Democracy, 2000-2008.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:46 am

Velvet Revolution Interviews Stephen Spoonamore


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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:48 pm

Has the GOP used fervent Anti-Choice Zealots (save the babies) to corrupt elections?

Mike Connell and Proposition 8
by Chino Blanco

Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 10:23:47 AM PST

-snip
As we all know by now, Mike Connell has been killed in a solo plane crash in Ohio.
But what we may not all know is that on September 22, 2008, Connell's firm, Connell Donatelli Inc., was paid $200,000 for their work for the Yes on 8 campaign.

-snip


Curiouser and curiouser:

Cliff Arnebeck, the Ohio attorney litigating the lawsuit regarding alleged manipulation of the 2004 presidential election in Ohio has offered to cooperate in an investigation into California's Proposition 8.

In its post-election poll, the PPIC replaced the response from the folks they polled regarding Prop 8 with the previously reported vote breakdown (52% Yes, 48% No), rather than reporting the actual breakdown from their own sample.

In 2004, Bart Marcois, chair of the RNC Advisory Council on LDS Outreach, helped make sure that50% of observers at Ohio's election places were made up of his Mormon volunteers.
Compare these two URLs (losing and winning):
A) On the basis of answers from 2,168 exit poll respondents, CNN reports Prop 8 losing 52% - 48%
B) Later in the evening, on the basis of 2,240 exit poll respondents, CNN reports Prop 8 winning 52% - 48%
C) Between the exit poll that showed Prop 8 losing and the exit poll that showed Prop 8 winning, CNN polled 72 voters ... not enough to account for the flip, even if every single voter they polled answered that they'd voted yes.

I've long wondered why so many players from the Ohio 2004 contest were involved in the Prop 8 campaign. With Mike Connell's passing, it's time to stop wondering and start sorting out this mess.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/2 ... 147/676152




CONNELL'S COMPANY RECEIVED $200,000 FOR YES ON 8 CAMPAIGN:

http://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/Campaign/C ... penditures








Was Prop 8 Fixed by Religious Zealots?

Monday, 17 November 2008, 9:54 am
Column: Mark Crispin Miller

Was California's Anti Gay Proposition Fixed by Religious Zealots?

Mark Crispin Miller

Early evening, Nov. 4, exit poll showing Prop 8 going down to defeat.
Later in that evening, after adding 72 respondents the exit poll
figures switched to show a preference for "Yes." (Screen shot)



Well, well, well. First we find out, happily, that We the People may not be so fiercely racist after all, as Election '08 has debunked the (feeble) theory of "the Bradley effect."

And now it turns out that Americans--at least those in gay-friendly California -- may not really been as hostile to gay marriage as the outcome of that state's election has apparently suggested.



As we think about the possibility that Prop 8 was not really passed by California's voters, let's note something that the press, and others, won't discuss: i.e., that the entire apparatus of computerized voting in this country--the e-voting machines and op-scans and central tabulators, etc.--is largely owned by members of the Christianist far right.

Diebold and ES&S were both begun by Bob and Todd Urosevich, two ardent Oklahoma theocrats, while Triad, which makes the central vote tabulators used in Ohio in 2004, is owned by the Rapp family. SmartTech, the company that helped Bush/Cheney steal that state, is owned by evangelical Jeff Averbeck; and his associate Mike Connell, owner of GovTech Solutions, which also helped to steal Ohio, among other races, was motivated to such work by his desire "to save the babies," according to Stephen Spoonamore.


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http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0811/S00217.htm





THE ROLE OF LDS IN THE OHIO 2004 ELECTION:

The Journal from Ground Zero Ohio, Part Two
By Cherilyn J. Bacon

Read Part One Here

The Anxiously Engaged Series seeks to establish a principle-based, non-partisan- philosophy of politics. This is the second in a series of articles, re-capping Latter-day Saint experiences of the 2004 election and exploring a values-driven strategy and public policy agenda. The journal to follow is Part 2 of an example illustrating a campaign experience from Bush Cheney 2004 headquarters in Ohio. Experiences from readers who participated in other values-driven campaigns, regardless of party affiliation, are welcome. With the philosophy that Latter-day Saints should be actively involved in their communities and noting that the Church is politically neutral, Meridian Magazine helped recruit volunteers for both parties during the election.

Election Day, November 2, 2004 Continued…

http://www.meridianmagazine.com/ideas/050120ohio2.html


DEMOCRACY NOW Coverage:

Connell Death 1/2: "Circumstances suspicious & convenient for Rove & WH" Mark Crispin Miller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJi7ViN35O8

Connell Death 2/2: Scared & wanted to talk Bush Crime Family that masquerades as a Political Party!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPH_NX_dJgQ



Friday, May 2, 2003

Diebold's Wes Vance Was Longtime Pilot, Natural Leader

By Paul Logan
Journal Staff Writer
Wes Vance was voted Del Norte High School's "Senior Class Favorite Boy" by the more than 600 students he graduated with in 1975.
Vance went on to become a successful and popular chief operating officer at Diebold Inc. in Ohio. He died Saturday in a private plane crash southeast of Columbus. Vance, of the Canton area, was 45.
The State Highway Patrol said Vance was practicing takeoffs and landings during a recertification test when the six-seat Beechcraft A-36 crashed in woods near Jackson, about 70 miles from Columbus, according to The Canton Repository newspaper.
The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the crash. Vance had been a pilot for more than 20 years.
Vance was a qualified and skilled person who had a lot of drive and the highest integrity, said Tina Swanson of Diebold, a longtime manufacturer of security products and the largest U.S. maker of automatic teller machines.
"He worked very well with associates — a real people person," Swanson said. "He always took the time to stop and say hello to folks ...
"He's just the kind of person you like to be around. He had a confidence. Not arrogant. A confidence that was justified."
Wesley B. Vance was also a leader at Del Norte, recalled David Steffensen of Albuquerque, a longtime friend.
"People wanted to be around him," Steffensen said. "He was a natural leader. He chose to do good things. That's what made him special."
Vance, an Eagle Scout, was chosen to attend Boys State. The 6-foot, 180-pound athlete also played three years on the Knights' baseball team and was the team's catcher.
Steffensen, Vance's roommate for one semester at Brigham Young University, said his friend was a member of The Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints. He served a two-year mission between his freshman and sophomore years in Mexico City.

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http://www.abqjournal.com/obits/profile ... -02-03.htm
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Postby JackRiddler » Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:18 am

Very useful research thread on DU by one McCamy Taylor.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 89x4709653

McCamy Taylor wrote:

Tue Dec-23-08 09:13 PM

...And the Kitchen Sink (So Far) on Mike Connell’s Tragic Last Flight

Edited on Tue Dec-23-08 09:29 PM by McCamy Taylor

First, he ran out of gas.

Then, amateur videos showed the crashed plane burning…airplane fuel. And we realized that if the ear witnesses could hear the engine on its way down, Connell could not have been out of fuel.

That is when they told us it was the weather.

I decided to find out if the running out of gas ever made sense in the first place, and if the MSM was doing its job, or if they have been helping Rove and Co. pull the wool over our eyes.

Assuming that he set off with a full tank (which most pilots do on a long journey) in order to find out if Connell was likely to have run out of gas, I needed to know which airport he flew out it. Funny thing, the US press was not saying. All I could find out was that he was flying to Akron “from Pennsylvania”. Pennsylvania is a very big state. Where in Pennsylvania?

I got my answer from the British press. College Park, Maryland in Pennsylvania. But wait. College Park, Maryland isn’t in Pennsylvania. Why is the US MSM giving us misinformation?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... america/...

Top internet strategist Michael Connell, 45, was the only person in his single-engine private plane that crashed three miles short of the Akron-Canton airport on Friday night as he prepared to land after flying from College Park, Maryland, close to Washington.


Maybe the news got garbled as it made its way across the Atlantic. Better look for confirmation. I’ll Google “Mike Connell” and “flight plan”.

http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/36482529.html

The plane was on final approach to Akron-Canton Airport's Runway 23 when it went down, said Kristie Van Auken, spokeswoman for the airport.
Van Auken identified the plane as a Piper Saratoga, a single-engine propeller craft capable of carrying up to seven passengers.
The plane, which was made in 1997, is owned by a Richfield corporation, Sierra-November Aviation, at 3046 Brecksville Road, according to the Federal Aviation Administration registry.
FlightAware, a Web site that tracks flight plans, reported that the plane was coming from College Park, Md., departing at 3:31 p.m. and scheduled to arrive at Akron-Canton at 5:43 p.m.
The plane had flown from Akron to College Park Thursday morning.



Here is info about FlightAware from their website and wiki. It appears that IFR or Instrument Flight Rated pilots and flights register at this site (rather than VFR), although I can not be certain. If so, this implies that Mr. Connell was IFR rated and that this was an IFR flight. This will be important later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlightAware
http://flightaware.com/about /

Here is information about the College Park, Maryland Airport where the flight originated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Park_Airport

It is a public airport, and the world’s oldest continuously operated airport.

Since the 9/11 attacks, and owing to the airport's proximity to the national capital, the operations of the airport have been severely restricted by the Transportation Security Administration in the interest of national security, but civilian pilots are still free to use the airport after going through a one-time background check procedure.


Just to be thorough here is more on the troubled relationship between the airport and the TSA:

http://www.collegeparkairport.org/vetting.html

http://media.www.diamondbackonline.com/ ... orage/pa...

Predictably, business has been bad for the airport for the last 7 years. The Bush administration has the College Park Airport between a rock and a hard place, the same way that they had Viacom/CBS under their thumb over their lack of compliance with media ownership rules when they persuaded Sumner Redstone to throw Dan Rather to the wolves. Just saying. Wonder if that is why the US press keeps telling us that Connell flew out of Pennsylvania?

The distance between College Park, Maryland and Akron Ohio is 283 miles (455 km). Here is some info on Connell’s plane:

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199 ... /Piper-S...

Note that with four people on board, the plane can travel 2 ½ to 3 ½ hours without refueling. Planes can typically travel longer distances if fewer people are on board since they can carry more fuel. If there is a head wind they will go more slowly, so they will go less far on the same fuel. There will typically be a headwind (coming from the west) in the northeast this time of year that an experienced pilot would be able to predict and figure into his calculations. So this would cut down the time the plane can travel.

But most important of all, if Connell filed an IFR plan, he would have had to have had enough extra fuel to (I hope I am getting this right, it comes from an IFR pilot but via me) to fly an extra 45 minutes plus the time it would take to get to an alternative airport. If he filed IFR but predicted the weather was going to be beautiful, he would still need an extra 45 minutes of fuel. If he filed VFR (and I am not sure that you can file with FlightAware VFR) he would still need an extra 30 minutes of fuel. He was supposed to arrive in Akron at 543 pm. The news report says that the plane was attempting to land around 6 pm.

In the worst case scenario for Mr. Connell, he had a fully instrument loaded plane, but he was not instrument flight rated, and he filed (and fueled) VFR so he only had an extra 15 minutes of fuel by the time he reached Akron-Canton Airport.

http://www.akroncantonairport.com/akron ... rportnav...

In this situation, if the weather was beginning to cloud up and ceilings were dropping, he might have tried to make a landing that he was not capable of and crashed due to lack of instrument rating combined with lack of fuel.

If he was instrument rated and if he filed IFR and had followed procedures, he should have had at least 30 more minutes of fuel. This would have allowed him the time to wait if conditions were spotty as some have reported. Here is the Bradblog video which shows the downed plane burning on what White House apologists have tried to call “fumes.”

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6769

Brad questions reports of bad weather given the clear weather on the ground. However, that does not mean it was not shitty a half mile up. Here is the weather history for Akron, Ohio on Friday Dec. 19, 2008.

http://www.wunderground.com/history/air ... R/2008/1...

At 5:54 PN, temp is 33.1 F on the ground, overcast, visibility 5 miles, wind from the NW 9.2 mph, humidity 96%. Note that readings before and after this were below freezing. Recall that the eye/ear witnesses on the ground describe hearing the engine falling from the sky. In the weather conditions reported, ice on the plane--wings, maybe or carburetor--is possible. In this case, he should have given some indication to the Akron-Canton airport tower that he was having difficulty controlling his plane before he lost control completely—everything in this paragraph comes to me from my IFR friend again.

This leads me to number one on my wish list: Where is the transcript of Connell’s interaction with the Akron-Canton control tower? Does he report signs consistent with ice on the wings? Would the transcript clear up this case right now? Not two months from now. Is this an accidental death being made to look more sinister than it is to scare others into keeping their mouths shut?

Karl Rove has allowed his political opponents to speculate that he is capable of murder in order to intimidate them into silence before. I refer to the Ebersol plane crash in 2004. The JT Hatfield case was also meant to be an object lesson to reporters and people who had dirt on W. Talk and Rove will make your life a living hell. Ordinarily, someone who has done this twice already, would not dare try it again. But Karl Rove's greatest weakness as a political strategist is that if a tactic works once, he will repeat it over and over again, even though it means that other people will be able to anticipate his actions, almost as if he is unaware of the presence of other people as variables that have to be factored into an equation. Like doing political algebra when he should be doing political calculus. While that Ebersol plane crash was eventually called the result a result of pilot error, I believe that Rove deliberately used the crash to enhance his “Rove-Rasputin” reputation. He allowed rumors to run wild. People who might have raised objections to Election Theft Ohio 2004 looked at Teddy Ebersol and thought to themselves Keith Olbermann spoke out, and Rove killed a child. Fear is a powerful weapon for Rove and for this administration.

So, consider the possibility that the White House—innocent or guilty--- wants people to speculate so that the other people who know too much about a variety of Bush-Cheney crimes will keep their mouths shut.

That is all I have been able to come up with so far. It would help if press used its resources to its job and did not make people with computers do it for free. But the days when reporters got ahead by doing investigative journalism are long gone. Now, they make their fortunes by promoting politicians and contributing to the financial well being of their parent corporations.

And everyone,demand loudly that the Akron-Canton Airport release its control tower transcripts!
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NYT picked up a VR wire story:



Bush Insider Who Planned To Tell All Killed In Plane Crash: Non-Profit Demands Full Federal Investigation
Published: December 20, 2008

WASHINGTON, Dec. 20 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Michael Connell, the Bush IT expert who has been directly implicated in the rigging of George Bush's 2000 and 2004 elections, was killed last night when his single engine plane crashed three miles short of the Akron airport. Velvet Revolution ("VR"), a non-profit that has been investigating Mr. Connell's activities for the past two years, can now reveal that a person close to Mr. Connell has recently been discussing with a VR investigator how he can tell all about his work for George Bush. Mr. Connell told a close associate that he was afraid that George Bush and Dick Cheney would "throw [him] under the bus."


A tipster close to the McCain campaign disclosed to VR in July that Mr. Connell's life was in jeopardy and that Karl Rove had threatened him and his wife, Heather. VR's attorney, Cliff Arnebeck, notified the United States Attorney General , Ohio law enforcement and the federal court about these threats and insisted that Mr. Connell be placed in protective custody. VR also told a close associate of Mr. Connell's not to fly his plane because of another tip that the plane could be sabotaged. Mr. Connell, a very experienced pilot, has had to abandon at least two flights in the past two months because of suspicious problems with his plane. On December 18, 2008, Mr. Connell flew to a small airport outside of Washington DC to meet some people. It was on his return flight the next day that he crashed.


On October 31, Mr. Connell appeared before a federal judge in Ohio after being subpoenaed in a federal lawsuit investigating the rigging of the 2004 election under the direction of Karl Rove. The judge ordered Mr. Connell to testify under oath at a deposition on November 3rd, the day before the presidential election. Velvet Revolution received confidential information that the White House was extremely concerned about Mr. Connell talking about his illegal work for the White House and two Bush/Cheney 04 attorneys were dispatched to represent him.


An associate of Mr. Connell's told VR that Mr. Connell was involved with the destruction of the White House emails and the setting up of the off-grid White House email system.


Mr. Connell handled all of John McCain's computer work in the recent presidential campaign. VR has received direct evidence that the McCain campaign kept abreast of the legal developments against Mr. Connell by reading the VR dedicated website, www.rovecybergate.com.


VR demands that the Ohio Attorney General and the United States Justice Department conduct a complete investigation into the activities of Mr. Connell and determine whether there was any foul play in his death. VR demands that federal law enforcement officials place the following people under protective custody pending this investigation. Heather Connell who

is the owner of GovTech Solutions, Randy Cole, the former President of GovTech Solutions, and Jeff Averbeck, the CEO of SmartTech in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Both GovTech and SmartTech have been implicated in the rigging of the 2000 and 2004 elections and the White House email scandal. Our prior request to have Mr. Connell protected went unheeded and now he is dead.


SOURCE Velvet Revolution
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Postby bks » Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:15 pm

You cannot help but be struck watching the very articulate and knowledgeable Mark Crispin Miller in Democracy Now! There is he, espousing the baldest conspiracy theory imaginable (with carefully placed caveats, of course), talking about 'fireballs', conflicting accounts of the damage, the location of the body and the amount of fuel in the plane! And Amy Goodman just lets him go on!

I kept expecting Chip Berlet to call in :)

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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:07 am

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Hissyspit wrote:
Thu Dec-25-08 05:22 PM
Larisa Alexandrovna: Mike Connell Plane Crash Update
Edited on Thu Dec-25-08 05:25 PM by Hissyspit
From Larisa:

http://www.atlargely.com/2008/12/connel ... -prelimi...

December 25, 2008

Connell update - preliminary inter-agency report and more questions...
UPDATE BELOW:

In short:
-Not medical
-Not weather
-Not running out of gas (which the investigation had first suspected, but has now ruled out - it is not mentioned below, however)

Here is a good story on it(emphasis mine):

Connell was attempting a landing on Runway 23 at the Akron-Canton Airport, but his plane crashed about three miles short of his destination. Troopers with the Highway Patrol’s Canton post said the plane made a forced landing, hit a flagpole and rolled several times.

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NTSB investigator Mitch Gallo examined wreckage and talked with witnesses on Tuesday, agency spokeswoman Bridget Serchak said on Wednesday. The agency still needs information from the air traffic controller, weather details and a radar study, she said.

So far the investigation shows that the plane had no issues with flight control and there was no icing, Serchak said. The plane’s propeller had damage that indicates the engine was operating when the crash occurred.

A preliminary report should be filed within 10 working days, Serchak said. NTSB has one year to complete it’s factual report and the NTSB board will vote on a probable cause ruling for the accident shortly after the report is filed.

Data collected by the Highway Patrol was being completed Wednesday for the NTSB, a spokesman for the Canton post said. While the Highway Patrol collects information about airplane crashes, it doesn’t determine cause of the crashes, the spokesman said.

The Stark County Coroner’s office has given samples collected in an autopsy of Connell to FAA laboratories, a spokeswoman for Dr. P.S. Murthy said. The agency supplies a kit listing samples to be collected, the spokeswoman said.

Indications are Connell died from massive traumatic injuries. Although the wreckage burned following the crash, Connell’s body wasn’t burned, the spokeswoman said.

There are no indications that Connell suffered from any medical problems, the spokeswoman said.


Now can someone who is is a pilot explain a few things to me here. I am trying to understand the verbiage and elements of your profession:

1. If there were no "issues with flight control" do they mean avionics?

2. So given that everything else was ruled out, the only thing left is mechanical, am I right? Am I wrong and missing an important genre?

3. Is there anything else that is not covered under mechanical, avionics, health, and weather (he was not a drug user from what I have been told, so for now at least, let's leave it off the table of considerations) that would explain that his plane went down three miles from landing (I know he was on instruments now, rather than line of sight), with a working engine?

4. Is the propeller mentioned only as indicative of the engine working or is it being broken something to consider as an actual cause for the accident?

And some questions in general:

1. Does "indications are Connell died from massive traumatic injuries. Although the wreckage burned following the crash, Connell’s body wasn’t burned" mean he was was thrown from the plane as soon as the plane went down?

2. And finally, this just occurred to me tonight. Connell knew the Bush family very well. He knew members of Congress very well. He has been a staple of the GOP IT scene for ages. He even worked on the McCain camp. So what is wrong with this sorry lot of people, that not a single one of them issued a public condolence to this man? Not even the head of the RNC for crying out loud. Connell has worked with the RNC for years. He has worked with the Chamber of Commerce for years. He was friends with and knew very important people. He dies a few days before Christmas, leaving 4 kids and a widow behind and NOT ONE person could find the time to issue a public condolences to his family?

The President has time to pardon turkeys and pardon criminals, but not to issue even a single sentence of condolence to a man he has known for years? Rove? Where is he at? John McCain? Anyone? I don't understand how no one thought to issue a statement of support for the family, especially since a father of four won't be there for Christmas?

UPDATE:

As always, it seems that I have to keep clarrifying things. My taking the entire right-wing power structure to the wood shed is for obvious reasons, not imagined reasons by people who are hell bent on imagining something. Simply put, I think it is heartless. That is why I brought it up. And frankly, it is incredibly heartless. What, they are too damn busy with their presents?


Additional story from Oct. 2008:

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2008/Docum ... _1031.html


Documents reveal how Ohio routed 2004 voting data through company that hosted external Bush Administration email accounts
10/31/2008 @ 1:28 pm
Filed by Larisa Alexandrovna and Muriel Kane


Newly obtained computer schematics provide further detail of how electronic voting data was routed during the 2004 election from Ohio’s Secretary of State’s office through a partisan Tennessee web hosting company.

A network security expert with high-level US government clearances, who is also a former McCain delegate, says the documents – server schematics which trace the architecture created for Ohio’s then-Republican Secretary of State and state election chief Kenneth Blackwell – raise troubling questions about the security of electronic voting and the integrity of the 2004 presidential election results.

The flow chart shows how voting information was transferred from Ohio to SmarTech Inc., a Chattanooga Tennessee IT company known for its close association with the Republican Party, before the 2004 election results were displayed online.

Information technology expert Stephen Spoonamore believes this architecture could have made possible a KingPin or "Man in the Middle" (MIM) attack -- a well-defined criminal methodology in which a computer is inserted into the network of a bank or credit card processor to intercept and modify transactions before they reach a central computer.

In an affidavit filed in September, Spoonamore asserted that "any time all information is directed to a single computer for consolidation, it is possible… that single computer will exploit the information for some purpose. ... In the case of Ohio 2004, the only purpose I can conceive for sending all county vote tabulations to a GOP managed Man-in-the-Middle site in Chattanooga before sending the results onward to the Sec. of State, would be to hack the vote at the MIM."

Not everyone agrees. RAW STORY also sent the schematics to computer science professor David L. Dill, a longtime critic of electronic voting machines. In an email message, Dill said he’s skeptical that an attack of the sort described by Spoonamore could have been carried out undetected.

"It seems that the major concern is whether routing election results through a third-party server would allow that third party to change the reported election results,” Dill wrote. “These diagrams haven't answered my basic question about that idea. The individual counties know the counts that they transmitted to the state. If those results were altered by the state or a middleman, I would think that many people in many counties would know the actual numbers and would raise an alarm."

Spoonamore has now filed a fresh affidavit (pdf), in regard to a case involving alleged Ohio vote tampering, which asserts that the schematics support a "Man in the Middle" attack having been implemented in Ohio in 2004. Ohio provided the crucial Electoral College votes to secure President George W. Bush's reelection.

"The computer system at SmartTech had the correct placement, connectivity, and computer experts necessary to change the election in any manner desired by the controllers of the SmartTech computers," Spoonamore wrote in the affadavit.

"Overall, my analysis of the two Architectures provided is the following,” he added. "They are very simple systems. They are designed for ease of use during the one of two times a year they are needed for an election. They are not designed with any security or monitoring systems for negative actions including MIM or KingPin attacks. These systems as designed would not be sufficient for any banking function, credit card function, or even or many corporate email systems needing a high degree of confidence. They are systems which will work easily, but are based on a belief all users and the system itself will be trusted not to be hacked."

He continued, "There are obviously many parties willing, with motivation, and able to hack an election for a desired outcome."
Inconclusive Evidence?
Dill told Raw Story the schematics are inconclusive and that he continues to have questions after reading Spoonamore's latest affadavit, although he cautioned that he himself is not an expert in Spoonamore's specialty of network security.

"Basically, the whole thing seems highly speculative," Dill said. "It's important to distinguish 'possible' from 'probable' here. I don't even know if this is possible. More details about how the tabulators worked in those particular counties, who was managing them, how the results were uploaded, whether they were all the same kind, etc. would help establish that."

"As to 'probable' -- I don't think that's been established at all, unless one starts with the presumption that the election was stolen and works backwards from there," he added. "I don't think Spoonamore has made the case that SmartTech and Triad '.. reversed the outcome of the 2004 Ohio Presidential Race.' I don't know that it DIDN'T happen, but, at this point, I think we need to demand better evidence."

"Neither I nor Spoonamore have any special knowledge on exit polls or Ohio voting patterns in judicial races," Dill continued. "I'd urge you to take a close look at what skeptical political scientists have written. It's been a long time, but I was left with the impression that proof was lacking."

RAW STORY has posted the schematics here for 2004 and here for 2006.
The Connally Anomaly
Spoonamore notes that on election night in 2004, he observed what he calls the "Connally anomaly," in which eight Ohio counties that had been reporting a consistent ratio of Kerry votes to Bush votes suddenly changed at about 11 pm and began reporting results much more favorable to Bush. Election tallies in these counties, plus a few others, also showed the unlikely result of tens of thousands of voters choosing an extremely liberal judicial candidate but not voting for Kerry.

Spoonamore immediately suspected that a Man in the Middle attack had occurred but had no idea how it could have been carried out. It was not until November 2006 that the alternative media group ePluribus Media discovered that the real-time election results streamed by the office of Ohio's Secretary of State at election.sos.state.oh.us had been hosted on SmarTech's servers in Tennessee.

"Since early this decade, top Internet 'gurus' in Ohio have been coordinating web services with their GOP counterparts in Chattanooga, wiring up a major hub that in 2004, first served as a conduit for Ohio's live election night results," researchers at ePluribus Media wrote.

By then, SmarTech had become embroiled in the White House email scandal, during which it was discovered that accounts at rnc.com, gwb43.com, and other Republican Party domains which were hosted by SmarTech had been used by White House staff,, instead of their official government email accounts, to avoid leaving a public record of their communications. When subpoenaed by Congress, the White House said the emails had been accidentally deleted.
Remaining Questions
Dill further noted after examining the schematics, "The 11/02/04 diagram has several computer icons in the upper left for EN Results entry of various types. I don't know how this works, but given that counties are using different software to prepare their totals, I suspect the data is entered by hand into web forms or that spreadsheets are uploaded. Such an entry method would not easily lend itself to corrupting the original data. ... Even if data can be changed at the county servers, many pollworkers and possibly others know the results that were reported from their precincts, and someone would probably notice if the numbers reported by the county or state differed from those."

Dill said it would be helpful to have more information regarding the computers used and how they were connected.

"It would be a great idea to get some more definitive information about how the computers were connected and run in those counties," he wrote. "Messing with disks might help cover up evidence after the fact. But the first thing that had to happen was that county-level results had to be changed in such a way that no one could compare the precinct results with the announced totals."

Spoonamore said tampering could have been accomplished without broad knowledge.

Some have said "that local County Elections officials had been instructed to fax final results to confirm them, but this action would not have mattered if the local elections boards computers were already under the control of the KingPin," he wrote. He said the ultimate results faxed to the Secretary of State from Ohio counties could have been inserted by SmarTech, providing "a smokescreen" that would "mask the already hacked results and provide an illusion the tabulators were not reporting results over the Internet."



Larisa Alexandrovna is managing editor of investigative news for Raw Story and regularly reports on intelligence and national security stories. Contact: larisa@rawstory.com.

Muriel Kane is director of research for Raw Story.


& Read interesting discussion including objections at length from pro debunker types at DU thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 89x4717180

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Grrrr, who spread the thread?
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chiggerbit wrote:Grrrr, who spread the thread?


Meaning?

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Postby American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:09 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
Meaning?


The thread is now too wide for most browsers. Jack, it is probably because in your second-to-last response there are some very long URL's given. If you go back to the post on "edit" function, and break up the URL into shorter lines, everything will probably be good again!
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American Dream wrote:
The thread is now too wide for most browsers.


Okay, I turned the longest single URL into a text link. Is it better now?
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JackRiddler wrote:
Okay, I turned the longest single URL into a text link. Is it better now?


Everything looks great here!
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Postby Pele'sDaughter » Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:56 pm

Connell declared emergency before fatal crashLarisa Alexandrovna and Muriel Kane
Published: Tuesday December 30, 2008

Republican IT consultant Michael Connell, who was killed on December 19 when his Piper Saratoga crashed near the Akron-Canton Airport, had declared an emergency shortly before losing contact with air traffic control.

According to a preliminary incident report filed by the safety division of the Federal Aviation Administration on December 22, "The plane was on ILS (Instrument Landing System) approach to runway 23. Tower noted plane left of course. Tower directed plane to climb and maintain 3000 feet and didn’t comply. When advised to climb a second time, the pilot declared an emergency and was lost from radar shortly thereafter."

The National Transportation Safety Board has now posted a more complete report, but one which still leaves unresolved both the exact nature of Connell's emergency and the cause of the crash.

According to the NTSB, Connell initially contacted air traffic control (ATC) at the Akron-Canton Airport to ask whether there were any reports of icing and was told there were none. His approach was then uneventful until ATC noted that he was left of his course and asked if he would like to be resequenced. Connell replied "correcting." ATC then advised him again that he was "well left of the localizer" and Connell responded that he would "like to correct."

The report continued, "N9299N [Connell's plane] was about 2 ½ miles from the airport when it then transmitted if it could execute a 360-degree turn. ATC then instructed N9299N to climb and maintain 3,000 feet and queried N9299N’s present heading. N9299N transmitted, 'heading due north and climbing.' N9299N then declared an emergency."

NTSB spokesperson Bridget Serchak told RAW STORY on Monday that she had spoken with Senior Air Safety Investigator Mitchell Gallo, the NTSB investigator on the case, and could confirm that "the pilot asked for assistance landing."

When reached by RAW STORY on Tuesday, Gallo, who had reviewed a tape of the full radio exchange, explained that the Connell had not elaborated when declaring the emergency. "He didn't describe the nature of it," Gallo stated, "but then following that ... I don't remember what the actual verbiage was ... you'd have to again refer to the actual report."

The NTSB report further cites an eyewitness who "was outside of his home when he first heard a 'loud' engine sound from a small aircraft. The sound was coming from the north and sounded as though the pilot was trying to accelerate 'rapidly.' Suddenly, the witness saw two bright lights coming almost nose first toward the ground with the engine 'roaring.' Based upon the witness’ view of the lights, he assumed the airplane was flying west to east. He lost sight of the airplane when it descended below a tree line."

The eyewitness, who wishes to remain anonymous, has spoken with Raw Story and provided a copy of the statement which he wrote up immediately following the crash. (See image below)

According to the witness's statement, when the plane vanished from his sight, "I was certain it was going to crash and was actually waiting for the sound. However, once again there was a tremendous roar of the engine and I thought it was just the pilot doing a stunt over their house. It was almost instantly after I once again heard the engine that I heard the thud as it hit the ground. Approximately 1 second later, the sky became orange and there was no doubt what had happened."

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Connell was the founder of New Media Communications, which created official websites for the Republican National Committee and the Bush-Cheney '04 campaign that provided the email accounts used by White House aides involved in the US Attorney scandal.

New Media also spun off GovTech, under Connell's wife's name, which was hired by Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell to set up an official state election website that presented the 2004 presidential returns as they were received. This site has been of particular interest to some who suspect possible election fraud in Ohio during the 2004 presidential election, and Connell's testimony was recently sought in a case alleging fraud.

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Well, that would seem to rule out loss of consciousness or sudden incapacitating medical event, and support a struggle with some kind of equipment failure, probably involving the motor.

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