Chloroform, Caylee, a suicide attempt and paternity (oh my)

[nashvillebrook]

George Anthony, the grandfather of murdered Caylee Anthony -- and the last person other than Casey to see the little girl alive -- supposedly tried to kill himself today in a Daytona motel. This report says he was found okay, with an 8-page suicide note where he tells his wife she "could do better than him," according to MSNBC.

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Investigators said the eight-page note indicated George Anthony was at the end of his rope, and that once he was gone, his family would have a better life. He wrote about how strong his daughter, Casey Anthony, is and said he doesn't believe she hurt her daughter, Caylee. However, he did make dark, veiled references to his daughter's friends.

George Anthony also wrote in the letter that his wife, Cindy, could do better than him. He also wrote about his son, Lee Anthony.

This latest drama in the story of the murdered little girl smells. That he would write an 8-page suicide note indicates to me that he's more interested in persuasion than in killing himself. Or, maybe he really did feel it was time for his final exit, but wanted to spin his death.

This turn has the same whiff of stagecraft as Jon Benet Ramsey's Mother's ransom note. It was public relations.

Who, other than Snidely Whiplash, would have chloroform handy for use as a nefarious sedative? Benedryl I can understand. Normal people have Benedryl in their medicine cabinets. Who has chloroform sitting around? What's the advantage of chloroform over say, Benedryl? That it works immediately? While the child is in your arms?

Reading in the Orlando Sentinel, I'm reminded that George was likely the last person to see Caylee alive. It's between him and Casey. One or the other or both saw her for the last time. So, what's his deal?

George Anthony, a former Ohio sheriff's deputy, once worked in car sales with his family. He moved to Orlando in the late 1980s with his wife and children to the home on Hopespring Drive. He has worked intermittently as a security guard, but injuries prevented him from working steadily, according to court records.

George Anthony was the last person, other than his daughter, to see Caylee Marie alive. On June 16, Casey Anthony and her 2-year-old daughter left the family home around noon. Caylee was never seen alive again.

And, why does a sheriff's deputy become an intermittent security guard/car salesman? What happened?

And who the hell is/was Caylee's father? The DNA test showed it wasn't the fiance. So, who?

Sunny wrote some time ago that there was more to the grandfather than meets the eye, and I think that's spot on. I regret that I haven't followed this story more closely, as I live right across the Greenway from their neighborhood. I've avoided it on purpose, I guess. I'm so tired of Florida being the creep capital of the world.

[Col. Quisp]

This will keep Nancy Grace in business for months.

Every time I turn on that "news" channel, I see Nancy Grace going on and on about the "tot mom." She's like a dog with a bone. Don't get me wrong, I'm not heartless -- what happened to the little girl was terrible. But the same thing happens to other children and we don't see Nancy Grace obsessing over it for months.

[nashvillebrook]

nancy grace is a big reason why i didn't pay any attention to this story until very recently. she's truly revolting.

[Col. Quisp]

Likewise...I can't bear to read about it because it conjures up images of Nancy Grace. Her head literally looks like an ass. That helmet she calls hair is ass-shaped. She reminds me of the mean girls in high school and jr. high.

this twist is interesting though, with the granpa. Is it alleged he is the pa?

[compared2what?]

I read pretty much every document up on the website where they have the hundreds of pages of police-department and court-motion document dump, wherever that is. I'm very, very tired, and am blanking on it right now. But a search for PDF-format only on "Caylee Anothony" should bring it up, in case I never remember or sleep for the next month or something.

The link in the OP is our old friend Error 404 at the moment, and I only have a moment, but...I just wanted to say that Casey Anthony's character and behavior as described and recorded by approximately every single person who piped up during the investigation for pretty much the whole of her life could not have suggested: Survivor of Very Intense and Systematic Trauma Since Early Childhood to any greater of a degree than it did if she had started her career as a performance artist as a mere lass and made acting like a Survivor of Etcetera her life's work.

WRT to Caylee, her behavior seemed to me to be consonant with what I'd describe as: An escalating series of desperate and crazed attempts to avoid returning to live with her parents. Getting crazier and crazier the closer she got to Caylee's third birthday. I kind of got the feeling that three was a meaningful age to her for some reason. And yeah, who was Caylee's father, I wonder, speaking of Caylee's mother's father.

I hope that made sense, and apologize for having so little brain left if it didn't. But the coverage of that case is profoundly upsetting, once you've looked at the same materials the media have maybe had their assistants look at, possibly. So it just keeps killing me that they're such prurient, closeted freaks and voyeurs about it. Because the most obvious potential narrative that leapt out at me sure as hell wasn't: Spoiled, crazy party-girl kills child so she can fuck and drink more. Yet that does seem to be where they just can't help themselves from going.

[sunny]

This will keep Nancy Grace in business for months.

It already has. She is truly a disgrace.

There are so many dark nooks and crannies in this case it would take pages and pages to even summarize all of it. (Caylee's paternity is only the tip of the iceberg. At least two friends of Casey commented on how the child was overly friendly and 'flirty' with males.)

Here are some comments I made earlier about Richard Grund, father of Casey's former fiancee Jesse:

Jesse's father Rchard is the real reason I bumped the thread. It has come to our attention that he himself claims to have been a "member of the occult" for thirty years, and is now a "Christian" fanatic of the gun-toting variety. He seems to be involved in a Nephilim cult, or at least believes that demons in the form of aliens are going to take over the earth. He runs a "Supernatural Response Team" a sort of religious TAPS. He has a suspicious number of aliases.

As if all that weren't enough, early on in the case I ran across a bizarre posting on Topix forum that in hindsight is clearly related to Richard:

I am so glad I found you guys.
I am Cindy's illegitame son, Robert. I hope someone here will listen to my story. I can't get the police or the media to listen to me.
Cindy hung out with a wild crowd in her early twenties back in Ohio. It was a religious cult of some kind that had it's own ideas. There was a lot of drinking, drugs and sex. She kept up her relationship with the crowd after she married George. She moved the whole family to Orlando to follow the leader of that crowd, my father.
I hate to say it but my real father is a super nut case. He terrifies me. Luckily, I lived with a foster family in Ohio since I was 5 and moved with them to Orlando in 1989. I see Cindy about 3x a year. Usually, at a local Starbucks. She really is a nice person, but her addiction to prescription drugs is getting worse.
Most of Casey's/Anthony's problems come from Cindy's ongoing relationship with my father, his problems, and associates. Things got real messy in Florida when Casey met my father about four years ago. Casey got involved intimately with my father, and that was the reason for all the fights in the Anthony home with her mother. I can't be sure of this, but Caylee looks a lot like me.
It will take me days to tell this whole story.

"Robert" could be entirely fictional, but we did find a Nate Plesea (Cindy Anthony's maiden name) in Ohio (Cindy and George's home state) who is of the right age, and who is adopted. So if he's real and he's telling the truth Caylee could be the child of Richard Grund, who amits to being "in the occult" for 30 years. Grund has a 'ministry' called Solomons Porch (that seems to building some sort of compound) and George Anthony seems to be involved in it somehow.

Spoiled, crazy party-girl kills child so she can fuck and drink more.

Incredibly, this actually seems to be the prosecutions theory of the case. It's mind-boggling.

[Col. Quisp]

Thanks for the info, C2W. Sounds more interesting than what's being portrayed on TV. Get some sleep!

[sunny]

Here is a pic of where the remains were found. Look how close it was to the road. Why didn't anyone find them all those months? And what's up with Roy Kronk, the meter reader who found the remains in December, and his 3 call to police in August to report something 'suspicious' in the area?

[Et in Arcadia ego]

The grandfather's seemed shady to me from the beginning.

That the remains were found near his home doesn't improve his standing, and this new wrinkle just makes it worse.

He seems more and more guilty every time I hear something new about him.

[nashvillebrook]

The link in the OP is our old friend Error 404 at the moment

here's the link in my cache:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28808459


seems to work -- lemme know if you have trouble.

[nashvillebrook]

...I just wanted to say that Casey Anthony's character and behavior as described and recorded by approximately every single person who piped up during the investigation for pretty much the whole of her life could not have suggested: Survivor of Very Intense and Systematic Trauma Since Early Childhood ...

WRT to Caylee, her behavior seemed to me to be consonant with what I'd describe as: An escalating series of desperate and crazed attempts to avoid returning to live with her parents....

yes, this seems to be the vibe. this might fall under the heading of 'too much information' but i was raised by my grandparents b/c my bio-mom was very messed up. partier...i guess. but as we all watched her grow older, there was something else, and the family dynamic was such that always seemed to be a giant bunch of missing information. bio-mom acted out like the survivor of some sort of trauma or abuse, and her parents (my adopted grandparents) always seemed to be hiding something about the true nature of her malfunctioning. what i find consonant with the anthonys, though, is that bio-mom always stayed close to the parents despite seemingly despising them. and no, it wasn't b/c of me -- she had very little interest in me.

so, i guess the question is, is there something about sexual trauma that makes the victim need to stay close to the perp? seems like Casey had a true approach/avoid relationship with the folks -- and that's just very similar to my experience of my bio-mom.

[nashvillebrook]

Here is a pic of where the remains were found. Look how close it was to the road. Why didn't anyone find them all those months? And what's up with Roy Kronk, the meter reader who found the remains in December, and his 3 call to police in August to report something 'suspicious' in the area?

i can tell you that those woods, and all the "woods" around here, are cypress swamp and about the only way in or out is using deer paths. unless you're a fort-building kid or pot-smoking teen, or turkey hunter, there's no reason to in there. also, i don't believe there's a bike path running parallel, so, mostly people just speed past in their sealed, air conditioned cars. there's no natural interaction with our "nature" around here -- there's also snakes and gators especially when the water is high (gator are very active may-july and then the daily thundershowers start).

what does surprise me is that all the searches missed it. and yes, the meter reader thing is very strange.

on edit -- that might be a bike path on the opposite side of the road, but i'm not sure.

[Crow]

Could a DNA test prove if a child is the product of incest?

[Et in Arcadia ego]

mostly people just speed past in their sealed, air conditioned cars.

Even so, in the Florida heat, even a small animal decomposing on the side of the road is going to generate a sizable stench. A car's AC will pick that up easily. A decaying child's body that close to the road in south Florida is going to register with every car that drives by it.

Maybe that wasn't the original dumping ground. Maybe after decomposition was complete, the remains were moved near the grandfather's house. That it was so close to the road would be suggestive that the body was dumped from the road, not taken from the house.

A red herring of sorts. In other words, maybe someone wanted the investigators to think that the remains were taken there and dumped from a remote location.

"Why would I kill my own granddaughter and dump her body in my own yard, that's nuts!!"


hmm..

[Joe Hillshoist]

Here is a pic of where the remains were found. Look how close it was to the road. Why didn't anyone find them all those months? And what's up with Roy Kronk, the meter reader who found the remains in December, and his 3 call to police in August to report something 'suspicious' in the area?

Meter readers are probably a very important part of the war on terror.

You should feel safe knowing everybody is watching out for you.

Making sure your neighbours aren't making bombs in their basement, or supporting al quada by growing 5 hydroponic dope plants.