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Postby Username » Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:55 am

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Heads up on the latest installment, part XIII from davesweb.

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Anyway, the real focus of this chapter is singer/songwriter/guitarist/keyboardist Gram Parsons, and the Gram Parsons story, as it turns out, is essentially a microcosm of the Laurel Canyon story. Most of the classic elements are present and accounted for: the royal bloodlines, the not-so-well-hidden intelligence connections, the occult overtones, the extravagantly wealthy family background, an incinerated house or two, and, of course, a whole lot of curious deaths. Without further adieu then, let’s get to know a little more about Mr. Parsons.

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idk what to say about this series, but I don't think I want to be an old hippie anymore.

You know, lefties who smoked pot were automatically labeled hippies back then. If you embraced the concept of peace, love and understanding, and lived and worked in accordance with those ideals, you were labeled a hippie. Community, freedom, brotherhood...nothing to be ashamed of here.

But then they take your label, drag it through the mud and manufacture a contempt for, a fear of, disgust of the hippie label, and all you ever stood for becomes ridiculous, obsolete, feared, hated and powerless.

Kill peace and love by attaching it to the dirty hippie label. Way to go.

Sinister forces at work.

On a side note, I'd like to start a campaign to find out the backgrounds, specifically military/government backgrounds, of the current wave of popular/successful/radical musicians, and call it, Who's your daddy? Why wait 40 or 50 years to find this crap out?

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Postby American Dream » Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:01 am

Thanks for posting this, Terry. It's very, very interesting, even though I do have some reservations about Dave McGowan's work.

I should point out that the Baez family has hotly contested the idea that Joan's father Albert was spooky, and claims that his Quaker beliefs prevented him from aligning with the National Security State.

Joan Baez definitely wrote Play Me Backwards as a song alluding to ritual abuse and recovered memory, but I'm not sure if she ever did or didn't claim it as her own story...
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Postby Code Unknown » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:00 am

Username wrote:On a side note, I'd like to start a campaign to find out the backgrounds, specifically military/government backgrounds, of the current wave of popular/successful/radical musicians, and call it, Who's your daddy? Why wait 40 or 50 years to find this crap out?


Current popular/successful/radical musicians? That's rich.
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:50 am

I have long felt the need to do a thread on Pete Doherty, who no one in America will know about (and precious few in the UK care about, either, anymore). But this guy was an apparently un-jailable junkie-poet and suspected murderer who's Dad was a Colonel in the army and who took "time off" to go and have the drugs beaten out of him at a retreat called Wat Thram Krabok (seriously) in Thailand, frequented by both the Hmong and the CIA.

His friends at the Global Oneness website (seriously) say:

Doherty grew up at a number of army garrisons as a result of his father Peter's work as an officer in the British Army, living at various times at garrisons in Catterick, Belfast, Germany, Bedworth, Dorset and Larnaca

He was academically successful, achieving 11 A* grade GCSEs, at Nicholas Chamberlaine Comprehensive School in Bedworth in his GCSE examinations, and four A grades at A Level in general studies, history, English literature and economics. At the age of 16, he won a poetry competition and embarked on a tour of Russia organised by the British Council. He was accepted for an English course
at Oxford University, but dropped out in his first year.


His fans did, and some still do, see him as popular and succesful. Some of them see him as radical as well, for no good reason that I can see. His radicalism consists of being addicted to heroin and writing poetry and songs about a mythically pure old-time "Albion" - a mixture of Oscar Wilde and Empire - which was also mixed with lots of songs about heroin. Lots of songs about heroin. Album titles, too. Hell, heroin was his whole career.

Anyways, he was interesting for a while, when they all just kept refusing to put him in jail no matter what he did. Judges kept making excuses on his behalf - the kind of excuses they would make for no other. But then they put him in jail. For 29 days of a fourteen week sentence - and he even got a column in the Guardian out of that.

But he's finished now, it seems. Or they're finished with him.

By the by, does anybody remember the ancient James Blunt psy-op thread? James Blunt is another - an equal and opposite. Or so I could argue, in my cups.

Here's a fine analysis of Pete's musical work, from the inestimable Half Man Half Biscuit.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=J_yQVEOSJtc


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james blunt

Postby madeupname452 » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:36 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_blunt

James Blunt (born James Hillier Blount, 22 February 1974) is an English acoustic folk pop singer-songwriter .
Prior to embarking on a career in music, Blunt was an officer in the Life Guards, a reconnaissance regiment of the British Army, and served under NATO in Kosovo during the conflict in 1999.
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Postby sunny » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:40 am

Pete Doherty is a suspected murderer? :shock: I had no idea. What's the story on that?
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:47 pm

It's a hell of a story, all told, and not much known about despite being reported in the press. Doherty's direct involvement falls into the "not proven" bracket - if his past history of inspiring instant infatuation in every judge and cop he meets is anything to go by, it'll probably stay that way. (On Edit, he might just be a police informant rather than anything particularly spooky)

Video of the death at link (not a lot to see, really - the man can be seen falling at the top right of the screen, right at the start, then Doherty and friends appear)

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/793 ... ery-death-

Doherty is then seen fleeing with his companion Kate Russell-Pavier, and his minder, Johnny Headlock, covering his face just a few yards behind. An ambulance had yet to arrive.

Minutes before that, Cambridge philosophy graduate Mark, 30, had been persistently “bugging” Doherty at an east London party.

The top right of the video clearly shows him fall from the window

Despite a murder confession from one of the people involved—later retracted—an initial police investigation found no suspicious circumstances.

Detectives believed Mark had either committed suicide or fallen while trying to jump on to a lamppost.

A coroner ruled out both theories at an inquest in October 2007, and ordered the Metropolitan Police to re-open their investigation.

Fifteen months later, the Sunday Express can reveal that the second probe is set to report back inconclusive, leaving a series of questions about the singer’s role still unanswered.


Although homicide detectives have yet to officially confirm their decision, they have indicated to Mark’s mother, Sheila, that the death of her talented and popular son remains a mystery.

College lecturer Mrs Blanco, who held Mark’s hand as he died in hospital 24 hours after the fall in December 2006, has conducted her own one-woman investigation, interviewing dozens of her son’s friends and witnesses.

Her barrister, Michael Wolkind QC, said last night: “One man assaulted him, another confessed to killing him and Doherty behaved in a callous way towards him, yet not one of them have ever been arrested or interviewed as a suspect.

“We are left with a mother who will never give up. At the very least there should be another full inquest.”

The harrowing CCTV footage not only shows Mark’s fall, but also Doherty, 29, and Russell-Pavier, a family friend of world famous investigative journalist, John Pilger, later running past his dying body.

Mark’s friends are questioning about other strange aspects of the singer’s behaviour in the aftermath of the tragedy.

They want to know why he returned to the death scene four months after the incident to record a video for his new single, “The Lost Art of Murder”.

The title was a direct reference to the 1827 essay “On Murder Considered as One of the Fine Arts” by Thomas De Quincey, an author Doherty’s friends knew Mark was obsessed with.


Doherty is reported as saying on the video: “I just thought I’d pop in to Paulo’s, a much-maligned figure, justifiably I suppose.

“But on the whole, if drugs and suspicious deaths don’t get in the way, this place is quite creative for me.”

Mark’s family is also convinced the police did not place enough significance on the plot of the play he was due to perform in, Dario Fo’s The Accidental Death of an Anarchist.

Mark was to play a character investigating the death of a political activist who had fallen from a police station window.


He had specifically gone to the party to persuade Doherty to attend the opening night at the nearby George Tavern pub in Stepney a few days later.

The party was held in December 2006 at a notorious east London crack-house rented by Doherty’s “literary agent”, Paul Roundhill.

The CCTV footage, which was played at the inquest, shows Mark entering the communal door of the three-storey mansion block at 13 minutes past midnight on December 3.

Three other guests and Roundhill were already in the top floor flat.

They were textile designer Annabel Healdsmith, Naomi Stirk and Doherty’s violent minder Johnny Jeannevol, widely known as Johnny Headlock.

Two minutes after Mark’s entrance, Doherty, at that time going out with Kate Moss, arrived hand-in-hand with Russell-Pavier, who was celebrating her 19th birthday.

For the next 10 minutes, Mark pestered Doherty about his play, so much so that the Babyshambles frontman ordered Headlock “to have a word with him”.

Roundhill set fire to Mark’s to try and distract him away, but when that failed he resorted to violence.

He claimed to punch him three times in the face and push him out of the flat, although whether he did this alone is debated: Roundhill is described as “puny”, while Mark was 6ft 4ins.

The video then shows Mark, ejected, leaving the block at 12.25am, but for some reason returning two minutes later when he is seen peering up at the balcony from the street before waiting a couple of seconds by the communal door then re-entering the mansion block.

Some 67 seconds later an almost lifeless body plunges from the first floor balcony on the communal stairwell.

He is seen smashing onto the side of a parked car before rebounding onto the pavement.

It is not clear whether he fell head or feet first, but the trajectory suggests he either jumped or was thrown or pushed.

Because he does not appear to make any attempt to break his fall, his friends believe he was already unconscious.


The thud of Mark hitting the pavement at 12.29am was heard by Lukman Hussain, 21, in the block’s basement flat.

He said: “Before that I could hear constant noise of people going up and down the communal stairs. I was scared to go out, I thought he’d been beaten up.”

It is then 12 minutes before the next person appears on the tape. According to her own testimony at the inquest in October 2007, that is likely to have been Annabel Healdsmith.

The CCTV shows her starting to leave, seeing Mark’s body, then disappearing inside again.

Two minutes later, she returns with another person, thought to be Naomi, and they crouch down placing tissues around Mark’s bleeding skull.

During the next three minutes, more people come downstairs, then a full 22 minutes after Mark’s fall, Doherty, Russell-Pavier and Headlock flee.

An ambulance, called by Roundhill at 12.45am, arrived six minutes after Doherty left.

What happened in the 67 seconds between Mark’s return and his fall remains unexplained.

Coroner Dr Andrew Reid, who recorded an open verdict, “unreservedly” ruled out suicide and said the lamppost theory was mere “speculation”.

Mark’s friends believe he was assaulted, then hurled from the balcony.

Neither have the 12 minutes between his fall and the first person appearing on the scene been satisfactorily explained, even during an inquest in which both Roundhill and Headlock admitted lying in statements to police and emergency services.

At that hearing, the coroner also heard suggestions that Russell-Pavier, who like Doherty was not called to give evidence, had become “hysterical” in that period.

It was said she needed calming down, while Headlock, who had drugs in his pocket, decided that he, the 19-year-old, and Doherty should flee.

It also emerged at the inquest that three weeks after Mark’s death, Headlock had walked into Bethnal Green police station on Christmas Eve and confessed to killing Mark.

He demanded to see investigating officer Detective Inspector Mark Dunne, but his confession, later retracted, was dismissed as the ramblings of a drug user and not followed up.

Two years later, the central characters in the tragedy remain tight-lipped.

Roundhill said his memories of Mark’s death were “too painful” to talk about, but hinted that the budding actor had been trying to make a creative statement by jumping.

“Mark told me that he had come from three generations of anarchists and I think that had something to do with it,” he told the Sunday Express.

Nick Russell-Pavier, Kate’s father and a long time collaborator on John Pilger documentaries, said his daughter would not be commenting.

He also declined to say whether he had spoken to her about the incident himself.

Neither Headlock nor Doherty could be contacted for comment.

A Met Police spokeswoman said: “The specialist crime review group has concluded its report and made a number of recommendations. We anticipate finalising the review and reporting to the coroner in the near future.”



This is interesting, too: http://www.wilsdon.co.uk/10/12/2006/did ... rk-blanko/

"The theft of Mark’s watch, cufflinks and glasses(????) is utterly unforgiveable, as is the subsequent behaviour of Doherty et al. It is beyond my comprehension that an innocent person could leave a scene as tragic as that before the emergency services had arrived."


What has to borne in mind (I think) with the likes of Doherty and Amy Winehouse's guy, Blake Fielder-Civil, is that they may be crackheads and
all that, but they are the sons of privillege, and they're still protected.

But Doherty's protection is way beyond the norm - for a while there he could literally get away with anything. Like one of the Golden Youth from the old Soviet Union or something.

Comedian Jerry Sadowitz, a friend of Mr Blanco for ten years, said: "I don't think he had taken full account of the people who were at the party, who included drug addicts.

"I think they had taken a dislike to the fact that he was middle-class and well-spoken and they started teasing him."


Jerry Sadowitz is great, but he's wrong here. They were all middle-class (or upper-middle) and well spoken. Just because Doherty and pals act poor doesn't mean they are.

The Lost art Of Murder - Pete Doherty
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7VXN9TNnu ... re=related


Thought I should also mention Carl Barat, Pete's old bandmate in The Libertines, if only for this gem:

As a youth, Barât divided his time between his divorced parents. His father worked in an armaments factory, and his mother, Chrissie, was part of the commune-dwelling counterculture and peace groups such as the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Bar%C3%A2t

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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:51 pm

James Blunt:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6YdqYdz6o ... re=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4vR0-wbVH ... re=related


Hardly proof of spookiness (or proof of anything, really) but it's funny how cameras have followed him his whole life, through his various vastly disparate careers, all over the world.

When the BBC met up with a random British tank unit in Kosovo towards the end of the war, and asked to interview their commanding officer for global broadcast - who was that officer?
It was Mr. James Hillier Blount. He got a completely unexpected call from his grandmother right in the middle of the interview. Awww! we all said. How sweet. Isn't war nice?

He does good work for Medicins Sans Frontieres, though, to be fair to the man. (I haven't been very fair to any of them, really, have I?)
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Postby TheDuke » Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:10 am

I've enjoyed the series but isn't it more likely than not that if you were a rock star in the sixties in the US or UK even, that your father would have been involved in the military in some capacity?

Shit my mum would have been in the age bracket of these bands and her daddy was POW 3 times in WW II
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Postby Code Unknown » Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:05 am

TheDuke wrote:I've enjoyed the series but isn't it more likely than not that if you were a rock star in the sixties in the US or UK even, that your father would have been involved in the military in some capacity?

Shit my mum would have been in the age bracket of these bands and her daddy was POW 3 times in WW II


The people he lists in this series aren't just "in some capacity," though, but high-level intelligence officers from elite families for the most part, no?
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Postby Fred Astaire » Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:24 am

The military elite angle here is fascinating.

I always found it rather disturbing that Stephen Stills was obsessed with all things military, and, in the mid-70's, was telling people that he had served in special forces in Viet Nam, which he certainly had not. He was even donning what was supposed to be his old uniform. It may have been the coke talking, but what a bizarre delusion for a hippie rock star to have.

Whatever the modus operandi, it makes sense that the elites wanted to create a culture of hard-drug use. It meant billions in off-the-books money for them, and also served to bind potential political dissidents in narcissistic servitude. Frank Zappa saw through it, but his warnings were drowned out by the massive peer-pressure of the time.
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Postby Sweejak » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:32 pm

I'm dubious about drawing too much from the military connection. Sure, they can look compelling, as they do for reporters whose fathers had mil connections, but from my experience knowing a lot of military brats who often had no idea what their fathers did until later I see that they have turned out anti-war, anti-empire, and generally fall on our side of the spectrum. Maybe a reaction taken in the other direction to their fathers or possibly the result of a lot of traveling. Certainly not true in every case and maybe it's just my selection of brat friends.

Sting's drummer Stewart Copeland's father, Miles Copeland II:

Born in Alexandria, Virginia (USA) on 16 July 1952, Stewart Armstrong Copeland was the youngest of three Copeland boys. His brothers, Ian and Miles III, are also in the music business: Ian runs a booking agency and Miles provides managing expertise, formerly as The Police's manager and today as Sting's. Miles Copeland II, Stewart's father, worked for the Central Intelligence Agency and has authored several out-of-print books on the subject. For more information, see ABE Books.


The Game Player
From a review:
Perhaps the most interesting section was the targeting of occult belief systems, particularly Scientology and Astrology to influence target groups, a devious, subtle move. Why move tanks divisions when you can skew astrological predictions or 'audit' away opposition?


http://www.amazon.com/Game-Player-Miles ... pd_sim_b_2
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Postby streeb » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:55 pm

Born in Alexandria, Virginia (USA) on 16 July 1952, Stewart Armstrong Copeland was the youngest of three Copeland boys. His brothers, Ian and Miles III, are also in the music business: Ian runs a booking agency and Miles provides managing expertise, formerly as The Police's manager and today as Sting's. Miles Copeland II, Stewart's father, worked for the Central Intelligence Agency and has authored several out-of-print books on the subject. For more information, see ABE Books.


Ian's booking agency was called the FBI, and Miles' label of course was IRS Records. He managed the Police. Those Copeland's have a sense of humour.

Anyway, I've wondered a little bit about IRS and the ascendancy of REM. There's a passage in Our Band Could Be Your Life where one of the dudes from Mission of Burma recalls passing REM on the road after a gig - MoB in a shitty van and REM traveling in a little more comfort; one band on the way up and the other on the way to nowhere. REM used to cover MoB's "Academy Fight Song".

...so REM goes on to become the Cinderella story of the 80s underground-alt-college radio milieu. Nice boys. Democrats. They get a little political on Document, but nothing too radical.

In the late 80s they wring their hands very publicly over signing with a major label, refocusing the debate on maintaining artistic control over the moral misgivings that might come from doing business with a corporate entity like Warner, and mid-wifing the 'alternative nation' into a decade of relative aquiescence as it entered its 20s and 30s. Shiny Happy People, indeed.

Am I totally bonkers to wonder if they weren't 'handled' just a wee bit?

(answer: yes, probably bonkers)

And let's not forget Sting's new age pimping ass.

on edit: from Joan Jett's forward to Ian Copeland's autobiography Wild Thing (which i have not read):

"Ian Copeland was a larger than life figure when I met him. The whispers about his "spy" family only heightened the aura of romance and intrigue about him. His ear for music was legendary and he worked in an independent , cowboy like way that made him as cool as his acts. Ian helped define rock for a generation. His belief in The Police, R.E.M. and a hundred other acts helped spawn the alternative music revolution that we're experiencing today. He was one of the coolest and smartest guys in rock and roll.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:19 pm

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:I have long felt the need to do a thread on Pete Doherty, who no one in America will know about (and precious few in the UK care about, either, anymore). But this guy was an apparently un-jailable junkie-poet and suspected murderer who's Dad was a Colonel in the army and who took "time off" to go and have the drugs beaten out of him at a retreat called Wat Thram Krabok (seriously) in Thailand, frequented by both the Hmong and the CIA.


At least somebody got to beat him up.
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Postby monster » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:09 pm

"I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline."
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