Joe Hillshoist wrote:I will say that it seems more related to chi, and things like sex magic than it does to quantum physics
Doubt it all you like. You can't be faulted for doubting something that's not easily proven and only empirically evidenced, particularly if you haven't been witness to empirical evidence. But for those of us who have, it's like any other slightly fringe topic that some swear by -- it's self-confirming and self-consistent within some kind of framework of understanding. This is exactly why it's like magic (with or without the k).
The reason magic works is because reality is, as RAW put it, both
plural and
mutable. I can't recommend enough his
Cosmic Trigger series for a third-eye-opening mindfuck of understanding.
In it, Wilson argues that belief is a prison; when you start believing something is when you stop actually thinking critically. He chronicles his own exploration of Crowleyan magic, practicing being a serial believer of sorts, obsessing worship on some particular deity and diving deep into their B.S. (Belief System) long enough to experience some physical result or other high weirdness, then conscientiously moving on to another completely contradictory and mutually-exclusive B.S. and repeat. Sometimes on psychoactives and/or psychedelics, sometimes just in sober meditation.
Through this exporation, Crowley hints and Wilson corroborates, you can essentially
hack reality at will using whatever system is most convenient at the time. They're all
right and
true, just in their own context. If that's not a macro application of the quantum superposition of states, I don't know what is. I'm pretty sure, and this is the major assertion of
Cosmic Trigger vol 1, that this is the big overarching secret of the eastern mystery schools. Self-induced brain change (or reality change) through ritual, either sexual or otherwise. There's been a variety of reasons throughout the ages to keep that kind of knowledge under your fez, at least until the greater world is ready (or perhaps semiotically
trained) to grasp it.
Despite the pedants and fundies, it's easy to see that chi/qi, prana, orgone and the like are basically just different independently-evolved understandings (BSes?) of the same thing. They each carry their own mythological or cultural baggage, and maybe some rules or taxonomic details based on their own particular idiosyncratic observations which may contradict the nitpicky rules of another, but really they're all describing some kind of pervasive cosmic (and bodily) energy system which is becoming increasingly difficult to ignore.
Most medical insurance policies cover acupuncture now. Traditional western nursing schools offer Reiki classes. Water dowsers get professional gigs regularly. And orgone has at least healed
people like
Orson Bean.
Joe Hillshoist wrote:I doubt building chembusters and HHGs will actually heal the chi damage that happens when organic ecosystems are disruptred.
My personal experience with orgone, specifically
orgonite, which is simply organic resin mixed with inorganic metal shavings and a bit of quartz crystal, has been nothing short of profound.
When I was first given some orgonite, I was the only person in my house at the time who actually watered the numerous house plants, which I did once a week, a cycle I got into not by rote, but by observation. After introducing several small pieces of orgonite to the household, particularly around the plants as I had read about doing, the plant pots were still moist after a week (same season) and really didn't start to need watering for two weeks. I'm sorry I didn't break this down into a meticulous scientific method with photos and graphs, but I had a lot of shit going on in my life at the time, which also seemed less burdensome with orgonite around, for whatever that's worth.
And that wasn't even the most dramatic effect. The very next morning after bringing home some orgonite and scattering it around the plant pots and windowsils, three different houseplants which were basically stagnating suddenly had new growth shoots. Overnight. Proof? Of course not. Self-confirmed? You bet.
Here's another empirical study over two consecutive growing seasons in Quebec (the site's gone, so be patient as the images load from the
Internet Wayback Machine):
http://web.archive.org/web/20071023185343/http://www.orgone-art.com/anglais/visibleeffectgarden.htmhttp://web.archive.org/web/20071023185349/http://www.orgone-art.com/anglais/visibleeffectgarden2.htmThere's other visible effects too, like ice formation either on glass (it gets extra complex and beautiful, like Emoto's water crystals) or in the freezer (stalagmites galore).
I've never built a proper chembuster, but I have apparently affected the local weather enough just with directed intention that I get sincere requests from friends to help insure nice days for outdoor events and such. My ex is convinced I broke a menacing cloud cover over a drive-in movie once. No orgonite, just orgone weather principles.
Check it: the denser the cloud, the denser the orgone charge. The clearer the sky, the lower the sky charge and the higher the ground charge. This may explain why people seem more draggy on wet overcast days... all the energy is up in the clouds. Chembusters are just designed to mediate a balance between sky and ground. What I normally do with my mind is construct thought forms to literally ground out the clouds like they're batteries. It usually works for me. Take that or leave it how you will, that's been my experience corroborated by people around me.
I used a friend's basement to mix up a bucket of orgonite once. He wasn't home, but I told him the stuff can make clouds disappear and he was intrigued. I was just finishing up when he came home during a completely overcast day to find that his house was directly underneath a blue hole in the cloud cover, and he was utterly ecstatic. Imagine what a properly-constructed chembuster could do. Users claim an effective range of several miles, as long as you toss some muffin-tin TB's around the local cell towers first. Doing so, by the way, often produces a trail of blue sky in your wake. Not provable, but totally fucking dramatic to have happen to you directly.
I think there should be more scientific studies done on orgonite effects on plants, water, radiation (even liliy waves), etc. because so far all we've got for hard science is that University of Marburg study on the old-school orgone accumulator boxes and a group of human volunteers who had positive physiological benefits from the real orac boxes but not the fiberglass-only control boxes.
Which brings us to trailers...
Joe Hillshoist sarcastically wrote:Of course torndaos are attracted to bits of metal on wood, and thats why they are at the farm in Cali when no where else in cali gets many tornados. Not cos of the structure of the country and the prevailing weather conditions. Same for trailer parks, cos they'd never be built in the cheapest (and I assume most tornado prone) land, would they. No chance.
Too true. I've been to Wichita and you can see clearly that there's simply nothing stopping a tornado, no hills or windbreaks of any kind, and even more clearly that the trailer park lifestyle is a matter of economic necessity for those not fortunate enough to monopolize the dwindling triple-overtime shifts available at the Cessna factory, and as such these trailer parks dominate the suburban landscape. In this part of the country, it would be hard for a tornado to miss a trailer park even if it tried.
However, even Dr. DeMeo's seminal
Orgone Accumulator Handbook will tell you that mobile homes constructed of metal and fiberglass are effectively orgone accumulators, except the energy tends to just get stuck reverberating from end to end of the trailer.
See, the difference between orgone accumulators and orgonite is that orgonite seems to turn the negatively-charged energy it collects into positively-charged energy, whereas accumulators will suck in and trap energy of any kind. This is why Reich went all the way up into rural Maine, to get away from sources of bad chi so he didn't concentrate them on his patients.
Orgonite, on the other hand, is tossed unceremoniously at any and all sources of "deadly orgone" by a minimal number of oddballs around the world who are pretty sure they've had a
positive environmental impact despite the fact that they're littering the world with resin molds which may still be curing and outgassing (the smart gifters wait).
Anyway, the fall of the Iron Curtain revealed decades of serious and dedicated scientific research into
torsion physics, or the physics of spinning. Everything that spins "creates" energy. In orgone terms, imagine the high charge in a tornado system. Imagine the attraction to anything with the basic properties of an orgone accumulator. Like a trailer park. Just sayin...
catbirdsteed wrote:My impression is that is exactly what the anti chemtrial-topic agents and, and also the anti woo agents want to impose: A LACK OF DIALOG on this topic.
You think this is bad, imagine the disruption that occurs on orgonite chembusting boards. The drama has been so thick, the subculture has integrated it into the self-discovery process as practicing the art of discernment (rather than pointing fingers and yelling
"Agent!", which was Don Croft's job until he finally managed to deeply alienate just about everybody).
Joe, it's a delight to actually discuss some intelligent disagreement on the subject, and a far cry from the painful and embarrassing schoolyard mockery Arcadia has made his signature for these topics. Arcadia, your contributions to this board are often profound, but your contributions to this thread are worth less than silence. Really, we'd get more out of orz popping in with a monosyllabic retort.
Why all the vitriol, Et? Are you just projecting self-anger for wasting too much time researching CT's? Did you buy into what you feel was a false hope provided by the chembuster crowd and get all early-NIN "Terrible Lie" about the whole thing? What gives?
by catbirdsteed » Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:05 pm 
Without a doubt
