chemtrail patterns maybe huge orgone energy patches

[Joe Hillshoist]

Is that him!!!!!!

[Joe Hillshoist]

You're takin the piss man.

No one looks like that.





If you are serious and I'd known he looked like that I would have hunted him down and slaughtered him for even using the word "agni".

He couldn't even put the sock in the right place.

[Trifecta]

You realize this is begging for clarification, right?

1. Were the Vril after you as far as you could tell?

2. Have you ever experienced direct contact with the Vril before this and under what circumstances?

1. No

2. No

The back story http://educate-yourself.org/dc/battling ... un04.shtml




You shared a few joints with DorkBoy? Was this in the presence of Don Croft?
DC was downstairs. I told him about it when I returned to England. I was fully aware of his stance on it, so was Dorkboy.

He outed him because he felt that was the best way to protect him and to encourage him to write another book about gifting and being a 33deg masonic psychic..

Dorkboy really did have what looked like a bullet wound in both sides of his neck. Whether the story of an assassination attempt was true or not ... don't know?

FWIW who played whom and why or whether it was all supraego stuff... no idea.

[Penguin]

You realize this is begging for clarification, right?

1. Were the Vril after you as far as you could tell?

2. Have you ever experienced direct contact with the Vril before this and under what circumstances?

1. No

2. No

The back story http://educate-yourself.org/dc/battling ... un04.shtml




You shared a few joints with DorkBoy? Was this in the presence of Don Croft?
DC was downstairs. I told him about it when I returned to England. I was fully aware of his stance on it, so was Dorkboy.

He outed him because he felt that was the best way to protect him and to encourage him to write another book about gifting and being a 33deg masonic psychic..

Dorkboy really did have what looked like a bullet wound in both sides of his neck. Whether the story of an assassination attempt was true or not ... don't know?

FWIW who played whom and why or whether it was all supraego stuff... no idea.

hahahah

[Joe Hillshoist]

Psynaps, I had half a bottle of homemade bourbon with a mate earlier, so I'll reply tomorrow to your post, but thanks.

[Trifecta]

exactly Penguin

When I called bullshit I was first accused of being scared, then an MI6 agent, then a shape shifting reptilian. EFF had over 1000 members at the time, the place was empty within weeks .... job done.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

You're takin the piss man.

No one looks like that.

Maybe not on the outside!

[Penguin]

Sometimes you just cant help peeing on your mittens in freezing weather. And laughing uncontrollably while doing it.
It does help thou.

[Seamus OBlimey]

MaryK ... about the only that really bugged me about Dragon was his relationship with maryK. if it wasn't for that I would have thought he got a raw deal here.

You're kidding, right?

Joe, her husband? Why?

Arcadia, you're kidding, right?

[barracuda]

I really wonder if putting orgonite in your pants like that has any ameliatory effects, or if it is purely for the aesthetic qualities.

[compared2what?]

If I remember rightly psynapz, James Demeo was apoplectic about Don Croft and orgonite/chembusters.

He claimed, in about 2002, that the prolifieration of chembusters spreading around the world was actually contributing to the worldwide drought. Among other things he claimed that because chembusters were different to the original cloud busters, they did not ground themselves in a source of living (moving) water, they effectively blocking or interfering with the natural flow of orgone/chi.

Psynapz, trifecta, anything to say on those criticisms of orgonite?

In general, I have a lot of respect for Dr. James DeMeo and his research. I took away two things from anything DeMeo's ever written about orgonite chembusters:

1. DeMeo is a sensitive, caring, committed scientist and environmentalist; a Reichian True Believer.

2. His opinion is based on less research and first-hand experience with orgonite than Lars Ulrich of Metallica had with Napster when he sued them over piracy of "master-quality recordings" (which MP3's are definitely not).

Confusing subreferential analogies aside, I never had the impression that DeMeo ever actually played with a chembuster first-hand, but instead reacted as a fundamentalist would to second-hand info, with sheer denial and plainly ignorant dismissal.

He either missed or conscientiously rejects the experience of many energy-sensitive people that orgonite transmutes negative energy into positive energy in a passive, continuous manner which can only mediate a localized energetic balance and cannot by design create an imbalance.

Chembusters just add double-terminated quartz crystals aimed up through copper pipes at the sky to create a sort of vortex which either sucks the energy out of the clouds through the orgonite base which re-radiates it as positive orgone, or draws in the excessive ambient energy and directs it as positive energy towards the sky, depending on what the area needs at any given moment. It's a passive, dynamic and reflexive effect which should be easy to understand.

Not to mention it's been reported to be the overwhelming experience of prolific gifters that orgonite, including the small towerbuster variety and the large pipe-adorned directed energy devices like chembusters actually increase the seasonal rainfall and encourage flora and foliar growth, and we're talking everywhere from Death Valley California to sub-Saharan Africa. As I said before, there's not much in the way of normalized control-group vs. test-group data of any scientific quality on this of which I'm aware, but for those doing it, the confirmations speak for themselves. Whatever self-confirmation is ultimately worth, I suppose.

It would be one thing if DeMeo had said "I played with one of these and it intuitively felt all wrong," but he's just surmising that it doesn't work based on the fact that it innovates on Reich's principles without respecting the idiosyncratic observations Reich made with his now-primitive etheric energy focusing designs which DeMeo still bases his life's work upon, hence the Bush-voter-syndrome reaction to being shown that your way is sub-optimal. But perhaps I'm not being fair in that analogy...

I can't prove he's wrong, but for the sake of all the orgonite that's been deployed out there in the world, I sure hope he is. My personal experience with the stuff gives me a strong intuitive sense that it can't harm the energetic ecosphere in the way DeMeo thinks it can, and that it does more good than it could do harm, if any.

Word to the wise, though: Bondo is toxic until it sets into solid plastic, so let these things cure until they stop stinking up the place before you go burying them in the ground or tossing them in the local reservoir, k?

I hope this rambling rant adequately answers your question, but let me know if not and I'll try again after a good night's rest.

In short, what you took away from the clearly stated grounds on which James DeMeo explains that the assertions and actions of chembusters are not only unsupported by any aspect of Reich's work but frankly dependent on an ignorant misunderstanding of it was that he either missed or conscientiously rejected the tenets of your personal belief system.

In addition to which you have a strong intuitive sense that he's wrong.

I don't know if that adequately answers the question, as framed. But it certainly doesn't adequately address the points raised
here and also here by Demeo.

I got no dog in this hunt, personally, and am not trying to score a point for or against the validity of anything. I'm just posting as an advocate of the relatively uncontroversial premise that since there is a distinction between reason and faith, it can't hurt to distinguish them.

[Seamus OBlimey]

You're takin the piss man.

No one looks like that.

I've been working with this guy..



for a few months. He doesn't always dress that way but everyone knows it's him. It's hard to keep a straight face around him esp. when he plays up to it.

He couldn't even put the sock in the right place.

He can't!

I keep meaning to try orgonite but does it's efficacy depend upon my belief in it?

[Trifecta]

I keep meaning to try orgonite but does it's efficacy depend upon my belief in it?

I have been contemplating this for years and the power of the placebo.

[Penguin]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/10/30/ep ... index.html

But then, as Ofri read on, she thought, "Wait a second. By the definitions of this study, I've prescribed placebos."

Ofri, an assistant professor of medicine at New York University Medical School, says when patients complain about being tired, for example, she'll sometimes suggest they take a multivitamin, even though there's no proof they work against fatigue.

"First, I'll do the million-dollar workup on the patient," Ofri says. "I check them out for anemia, diabetes, cancer, asthma, depression, and other sorts of other things. When I can't find anything wrong, I'll explain vitamins have worked for some of my patients, and there's no downside. I don't think that's being deceptive."

Last week's study on placebos published in the British Medical Journal has sparked debate: What precisely is a placebo, and might you, the patient, actually in some cases benefit from one?

[brainpanhandler]

I keep meaning to try orgonite but does it's efficacy depend upon my belief in it?

Ha. You won't try it because you think you won't be able to keep from laughing? Not that laughter and faith can't coexist.