Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

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Postby chiggerbit » Fri May 01, 2009 6:31 pm

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNe ... health1100
New flu virus may be a real mongrel: study
Fri May 1, 2009 9:46am EDT

By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The new virus that has killed as many as 177 people and spread globally is a mongrel that appears to have mixed with another hybrid virus containing swine, bird and human bits, U.S. researchers reported on Thursday.

Raul Rabadan and colleagues at Columbia University in New York analyzed the published genetic sequences from the H1N1 virus that has brought the world to the brink of a pandemic.

"The closest relatives to the virus we have found are swine viruses," Rabadan said in a telephone interview.

"Six segments of the virus are related to swine viruses from North America and the other two from swine viruses isolated in Europe/Asia," they wrote in the online journal Eurosurveillance.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said last week after discovering this virus in two U.S. children that it had four virus types -- two swine, an avian and a human component.

It may be even more complex than that.

Influenza viruses mutate constantly and they also swap genetic material with one another promiscuously, especially if an animal or person is infected with two strains at once.

Rabadan's team said this particular strain looked partly like another hybrid, or what scientists call a reassortant, virus.

"The North American ancestors are related to the multiple reassortants, H1N2 and H3N2 swine viruses isolated in North America since 1998," they wrote.

"In particular, the swine H3N2 isolates from 1998 were a triple reassortment of human, swine and avian origin."

Scientists can study those genetics to try to track the origin of the new virus. Mexican officials have denied it came from pigs in Mexico and pork producers have been battling rumors it could have come from pig farms there.

Rabadan said the findings did not show the virus came directly from pigs. "We don't know how long this virus has been in humans," he said.

Many different influenza strains are circulating at any given time and pandemic strains -- the ones that cause global outbreaks from a whole new strain -- are believed to have come from animals.

"We know that with the two pandemics in 1957 and 1968 they were coming from a mixture of human and avian viruses," Rabadan said. The H1N1 strain that caused the far more serious 1918 pandemic appears to have been virtually a pure avian strain, according to published analyses.

(Reporting by Maggie Fox; Editing by Peter Cooney)
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Re: foods for flu (or not)

Postby Perelandra » Fri May 01, 2009 8:32 pm

alwyn wrote:Natural Antivirals
Good info, thanks alwyn.
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Postby brekin » Fri May 01, 2009 10:29 pm

The new variant of hiding under your desk during a nuclear holocaust for swine flu is:

Wash your hands repeatedly.

Like all day.

It will save your life.
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Postby Percival » Fri May 01, 2009 11:22 pm

brekin wrote:The new variant of hiding under your desk during a nuclear holocaust for swine flu is:

Wash your hands repeatedly.

Like all day.

It will save your life.


However, as someone who attended medical school I can tell you that too much handwashing is not a good thing always. First of all it strips off the natural oils on your skin and this can lead to your hands and fingers drying out and CRACKING and those cracks become cesspools of infection and leave you even more vulnerable than you would have been otherwise.

Certainly keep the hands clean but also, just as important, use a fragrance and dye free hand moisturizer after you wash to keep those hands from drying out and cracking. Cracks are bad, real bad.
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Re: foods for flu (or not)

Postby Penguin » Sat May 02, 2009 6:02 am

alwyn wrote:There are notes that the smoking of Marijuana may decrease the cytokine response.



Just dont smoke it if you got the flu. Wont help with the mucous and infection of the airways.

Make cannabutter - take two pots, one fitting inside the other, put water in the larger outer pan, butter or baking margarine in the inner smaller one, and let simmer with fine ground bud in the butter for about an hour or more at slow temp (so the water in the outer pot barely simmers), stirring now and then. In the end you can strain the bud matter out with a cloth, or leave it in the butter. Store in freezer.

Then bake stuff with the butter. Muffins, cupcakes, cakes, chocolate, salty pastries etc..

http://www.cannabis.net/cytokines/index.html
The cannabinoid system and cytokine network
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Postby stickdog99 » Sat May 02, 2009 7:51 am

Can we all agree that this was a meglomedia orchestrated priming scare?

Or is there anything to this story other than 24/7 hype?
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Postby Percival » Sat May 02, 2009 10:11 am

stickdog99 wrote:Can we all agree that this was a meglomedia orchestrated priming scare?

Or is there anything to this story other than 24/7 hype?


Hyperbole to distract from Lord knows what.
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Postby chiggerbit » Sat May 02, 2009 10:34 am

stickdog99 wrote:
Can we all agree that this was a meglomedia orchestrated priming scare?

Or is there anything to this story other than 24/7 hype?



Hyperbole to distract from Lord knows what
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Sorry, I have to disagree.
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Postby lightningBugout » Sat May 02, 2009 10:35 am

I'm going to cast a partially dissenting vote. Most of the news coverage I've seen over the past few days has been anti-alarmist, ala "why a pandemic isn't a big deal." My vote goes to - I really don't know what the deal is. I know too many people who have studied public health and given me enough understanding of the risk of super-bugs is to reduce the whole episode to "they're" trying to scare/distract/disempower us.
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Postby Percival » Sat May 02, 2009 10:52 am

chiggerbit wrote:
stickdog99 wrote:
Can we all agree that this was a meglomedia orchestrated priming scare?

Or is there anything to this story other than 24/7 hype?



Hyperbole to distract from Lord knows what
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Sorry, I have to disagree.


Sincerely,

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Postby Percival » Sat May 02, 2009 10:54 am

CNN and FOX both saying the next TAX PAYER BAILOUT will be MEXICO due to the swine flu. So there we have it, HILDA MARTINEZ was probably right, this is all about the TPB creating the hegelian dialect needed to get the people to willfully yet unknowingly accept and even encourage a slow but certain US TAKEOVER of MEXICO.
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Postby lightningBugout » Sat May 02, 2009 11:07 am

Percival wrote:CNN and FOX both saying the next TAX PAYER BAILOUT will be MEXICO due to the swine flu. So there we have it, HILDA MARTINEZ was probably right, this is all about the TPB creating the hegelian dialect needed to get the people to willfully yet unknowingly accept and even encourage a slow but certain US TAKEOVER of MEXICO.


Case closed!

ps. do you speak the Hegelian dialect?
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Postby Jeff » Sat May 02, 2009 11:09 am

lightningBugout wrote:I'm going to cast a partially dissenting vote. Most of the news coverage I've seen over the past few days has been anti-alarmist, ala "why a pandemic isn't a big deal." My vote goes to - I really don't know what the deal is.


Me too.

Interesting quote from Marc Lalonde in today's Globe and Mail recalling the '76 swine flu scare. (The article, btw, is another good example of the media's damping down the hysteria.) Lalonde was the Canadian Minister of Health at the time.

"Ah, mon Dieu, that was the time I threw away $10-million. But that is the nature of these things. If you do too little, you are accused of negligence. If you do too much, you are wasting money and causing panic. These are very difficult calls."

I think that's a good and obvious point that we should acknowledge to be credible critics of both governments and media.
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Postby Percival » Sat May 02, 2009 11:35 am

lightningBugout wrote:
Percival wrote:CNN and FOX both saying the next TAX PAYER BAILOUT will be MEXICO due to the swine flu. So there we have it, HILDA MARTINEZ was probably right, this is all about the TPB creating the hegelian dialect needed to get the people to willfully yet unknowingly accept and even encourage a slow but certain US TAKEOVER of MEXICO.


Case closed!

ps. do you speak the Hegelian dialect?


Fluently.
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Postby Percival » Sat May 02, 2009 11:43 am

I think it is also important to note, as others have, that this is only the first wave and that next winter it will likely hit harder and more wide spread, keep in mind that I am not denying the swine flu exists but I believe they want it to spread far and wide. I believe that because next winter will be right around the time Obama's socialized universal health care plan will be making its appearance (its in the new 3 trillion dollar budget among many other sinister things like CAP AND TRADE which will increase your electrical bill by thousands of dollars and which coincidently nobody is talking about right now because of the flu distraction, the budget and its congressional debate is getting no air time). So it will be rather helpful to the universal heathcare proponents to have an epidemic/pandemic taking place during the introduction of their agenda.

Not that I am against everyone having access to health care or anything but...
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