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Kiefer Sutherland Sells Out to CIA & Murdoch

Postby American Dream » Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:10 pm

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Kiefer Sutherland - Son of Leftist Donald Sutherland - Sells Out to the CIA and Rupert Murdoch
Edited by Alex Constantine


" ... 'FBI APEC Seattle, FBI used CIA-kidnapped children as prostitutes for blackmail,' but we're the good guys,' thinks Kiefer Sutherland. ... Children were attacked as enemy combatants by US special forces at OKC Murrah daycare, and flown into the Pentagon and WTC 911. But you aren't feeling any pain, are you? Kiefer Sutherland is the happy face of Air America. Look at Kiefer instead of Porter and The Boys. .... "
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Fox Show "24": Torture on TV
By Jon Wiener, The Nation.com

January 15, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/46757/

"24" is back on Fox TV -- the hit show starring Kiefer Sutherland, which premiered Sunday night, once again features at least one big torture scene in every episode -- the kind of torture the Bush White House says is necessary to protect us from you-know-who.

The show is much more convincing than the White House at making the case for torture; its ratings have gone steadily up over the last five years, while Bush's ratings have gone steadily down.

In "24," Sutherland plays special agent Jack Bauer, head of the Counter Terrorism Unit. He fights some of his biggest battles not with the dark-skinned enemies trying to nuke L.A., but rather with the light-skinned do-gooders who think the head of the Counter Terrorism Unit should follow the rules.

Back in season four, for example, the bumbling bureaucrats released a captured terrorist before he could be tortured -- because a lawyer for "Amnesty Global" showed up whining about the Geneva Conventions. Jack had to quit the Counter Terrorist Unit and become a private citizen in order to break the suspect's fingers.
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It's especially unfortunate to see Kiefer Sutherland play the world's most popular torturer -- because his father, Donald Sutherland, has been a prominent antiwar activist since Vietnam days and starred in some great films critiquing fascist politics, including "MASH" and Bertolucci's "1900" -- and also because Kiefer's grandfather, Tommy Douglas, was Canada's first socialist premier, and was recently voted "the greatest Canadian of all time" -- because he introduced universal public health care to Canada. The grandson meanwhile is being paid $10 million a season by Rupert Murdoch to shoot kneecaps, chop off hands, and bite his enemies to death (Sunday's special thrill).

The show's connection to the Bush White House and the conservative establishment became explicit last June, when Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff appeared alongside the show's producers and three cast members at an event sponsored by the Heritage Foundation to discuss "The public image of US terrorism policy." The discussion was moderated by Rush Limbaugh. The C-SPAN store sells a DVD of the event--price reduced from $60 to $29.95. Sunday night's two-hour premiere again argued not just that torture is necessary but that it works -- and it's also really exciting to watch. The show as usual made the "ticking time bomb" case for torture: we need to torture a suspect, or else thousands, or millions, will die in the next hour.

It's the same case made by Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, who proposed that judges ought to issue torture warrants in the "rare 'ticking bomb' case," and by University of Chicago law professor and federal judge Richard Posner, who has written, "If torture is the only means of obtaining the information necessary to prevent the detonation of a nuclear bomb in Times Square, torture should be used." He added that "no one who doubts that this is the case should be in a position of responsibility."

Thanks to "24," tens of millions of TV viewers know exactly what Dershowitz and Posner are talking about. As Richard Kim pointed out in The Nation in 2005, those are the cases where "the stakes are dire, the information perfect and the authorities omniscient." Of course that's a fantasy of total knowledge and power, and of course the U.S. has never had a real "ticking time bomb" case -- but Jack Bauer faces one every Sunday night on Fox.

http://www.alternet.org/story/46757/
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" ... The torture and wrongful imprisonment and lawlessness of the U.S. indicates a country that has become very cruel and very stupid under Bush the second. ... "
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TAXI TO THE DARK SIDE
by Chris Knipp


"Alex Gibney's Taxi to the Dark Side, a documentary about America's use of torture, takes its title from a remark made by Dick Cheney to Tim Russert on the Meet the Press program of September 16, 2001 that to fight the war on terrorism, 'We also have to work, though, sort of the dark side, if you will.' ... America has developed a culture of guilty-as-charged, of hysterical attacks on imagined enemies. The popular jingoistic TV program 24, starring Kiefer Sutherland as a CIA agent who "saves" millions by torturing mad terrorists with ticking bombs in Times Square, is symptomatic of this mindset. A Dark Side talking head asserts no such person has ever been captured, but if he were he'd have the commitment to die rather than reveal information about his plot. Yet a survey showed after the Abu Ghraib scandal that the American public still considered torture a desirable method. ... "

http://www.cinescene.com/knipp/taxidark.htm
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TV Illusions vs. Reality

Thinking about Extraordinary Rendition

www.strangecultureblog.com
JULY 10, 2007
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" ... Last month I wrote about my disappointment with torture being used as a form of entertainment/sexual perversion in films like Hostel II, Grindhouse, and Captivity which are in theaters this year.

"Yet, when I read or think about extraordinary rendition and torture as it applies to terrorism, I do not think of films like those, rather I think of Fox's hit television program 24. There has been many episodes where innocent and guilty people alike get tortured. Almost always, the scenes are horribly gruesome and absolutely unejoyable. And in the world of Jack Bauer (Kiefer Sutherland) torture (without government approval) is just part of the job. Yet, when I watch 24 I don't get angry, because I connect and trust Kiefer Sutherland general discretion. But when I research about the alleged use of extraordinary rendition by the United States and other countries it is very disheartening and unsettling. ... "

http://www.strangecultureblog.com/2007/ ... ition.html
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KIEFER SUTHERLAND - SUTHERLAND'S CIA ENCOUNTER
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KIEFER SUTHERLAND was amazed when he was told off by a member of the CIA for setting too good an example in hit TV series 24. Sutherland, who plays federal agent JACK BAUER, unwittingly placed higher expectations on real-life agents with his action-packed portrayal. He says, "I'll tell you a funny thing. I was in a ski lift and the guy there with me told me that he worked for the CIA and said he was a fan of the show. "He told me I had made his life difficult because when he was a way in Europe for four months, his mother got really upset with him being away for so long. "Apparently she said to him, 'You should be more like Jack Bauer because he gets things done in a hurry.'"

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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:18 pm

Great series of articles on CIA Hollywood at Alex Constantine's website-

Dig it.

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Postby Nordic » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:44 am

Keifer's an irresponsible boozer. He hit it big early and did nothing but drink heavily, for years. I don't know if he's still a big drinker, the fact that he's still alive means that he probably went through rehab at some point. I don't think anybody's liver could have lived through much more of what he subjected his to.

To expect much of anything out of this kid is a waste of time.

I'm amazed he's hit it big. I think he's a terrible actor. But that's just me.
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Postby geogeo » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:08 pm

Funny how this show has been on continuously for 5, 6 seasons? I've never watched it, and won't. There is a much better approach to torture in LOST--ambivalent and haunting, of course, and doing far more damage to the torturers than the torturees. At least that show's lasted--and it attacks just about every fascist tendency in society at one point or another.

Jericho lasted only two seasons, also very anti-fascist. Jeremiah, same thing. I think the shows that last, except for LOST, are primarily fascist because that's what we like, but i could be wrong. The always say it's the ratings, which is true in part, but it depends on what night the show is on and how the others show on in the same time slot are doing.

I suspect the CIa or whoever allows these shows like Jericho as experiments to find out about people who like the shows--thanks to the endless numbers of blogs and forums online now. social engineering is an amazing thing.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:38 pm

There is alot of fascist preopaganda on TV, esp in TV shows.

My wife like NCIS for some god awful reason, and the show is totally against her politics. I won't let her watch it most of the time. (See we can all be fascist.)

I think there's 2 sides to it, one is the insertion of fascist memes into the population, and this is partly (at least) deliberate.

But I think geo is right, part of the reason fascist shows end up on telly is cos we like them. TV is simplified reality, and fascism is in many ways the ultimate simplification, especially when it occurs in a totalitarian society. (I think we are a fascist society to an extent, but not a totalitarian one. It takes a total commitment for a society to become totalitarian and we are not there yet. I am speaking for Australia of course, can't comment on the states or anywhere else.)

IN fascist tv the answers are simple, the good guys ( ie - who we are meant to identify with) are obvious and the violence isn't real.

And we identify with someone who is in control, no matter how out of control the situation, and someone who is exerting power, something most people struggle to do in their lives. Probably cos that stuff is missing fom our lives at the time.

Thats the only reason I can think of that otherwise decent people like it.
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Postby MinM » Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:32 pm

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Cote de Pablo of NCIS has led a 'spookier' life than the Mossad Liaison Officer she plays on the show.

De Pablo was born in Santiago, Chile, to an upper class Catholic family. When de Pablo was ten, her mother received a job in Miami, Miami-Dade County, Florida, at a Spanish-speaking television network. There, de Pablo attended Arvida Middle School and then Carnegie Mellon University...
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Not to mention the show's creator, Donald Bellisario.

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Postby MinM » Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:07 am

LL Cool J to star in 'NCIS' spin-off - Entertainment News, TV News, Media - Variety
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LL Cool J is getting on the gumshoe beat.

The rapper-actor has been set to star in CBS' planned spinoff of "NCIS." He'll play a tough but charming former Navy SEAL who works undercover for the NCIS unit in L.A. and is an expert on the Middle East.

The spinoff of CBS' durable drama will air as one half of a two-part episode of "NCIS" later this season. "NCIS" showrunner Shane Brennan created the untitled spinoff and exec produces for CBS Paramount Network TV.
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Postby Penguin » Sat May 09, 2009 5:28 am

The latest season of 24 is great pro-torture, pro-guilt-suppression tour de force PR. They really have that series down to a condensed, pure form of nothing but the essential fear, emergency and violence, combined with the good reality blend factor.

I mean, even the first episode - starting from Jack Bauer in congressional hearings concerning his brutality, torture and law breaking - from there, in 10 minutes, to being subpoenaed to serve again in saving the day with those same methods and proving himself right again and again, while at the same time being satisfyingly tormented, apparently, by his necessary deeds, past and future.

And later in the season, the series once again plays with the theme that real patriots sometimes need to kill lots of civilians in staged terror attacks to make people realize they arent safe. This is the main theme again. Including crashing airliners together by hacking in the FAA control systems...

Hmm, http://information-security-resources.c ... s-at-risk/
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/08/192227
"Hackers have repeatedly broken into the air traffic control mission-support systems of the US Federal Aviation Administration, according to an Inspector General report sent to the FAA this week, and the FAA's increasing use of commercial software and Internet Protocol-based technologies as part of an effort to modernize the air traffic control systems poses a higher security risk to the systems than when they relied primarily on proprietary software, the report said. Intrusion detection systems (IDS) are deployed at only 11 of hundreds of air traffic control facilities. In 2008, more than 870 cyber incident alerts were issued to the organization responsible for air traffic control operations and by the end of the year 17 percent (more than 150 incidents) had not been remediated, 'including critical incidents in which hackers may have taken over control' of operations computers, the report said."
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Postby MinM » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:15 am


Forgot all about this piece of pro-war porn from Bellesario. Before video games and Top Gun there was...

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The series' protagonist is Stringfellow Hawke (played by Jan-Michael Vincent), a loner who lives in a cabin in the mountains, only accompanied by his Bluetick Coonhound, "Tet", and the surrounding wildlife. Hawke is a recluse, spending most of his time alone with his priceless collection of paintings, and serenading eagles with his equally priceless Stradivarius cello. His only real friend and mentor is the older, eternally cheerful Dominic Santini (Ernest Borgnine).

Earlier, Hawke was a test pilot for Airwolf, an advanced supersonic helicopter with stealth capabilities and a formidable arsenal. Airwolf was built by the FIRM, a division of the CIA. When it is stolen by its twisted creator, Doctor Charles Henry Moffet, Archangel — codename of the deputy director of "the FIRM" — asks Hawke to go to Libya and get it back.

After finding himself stripped of FIRM support and discovering that his pilot-episode love-interest Gabrielle (Belinda Bauer), is undercover in Libya, Hawke, with Santini's assistance, finds Airwolf and recovers it. But Hawke chooses not to return it. Instead, Hawke and Santini hide Airwolf, booby trapped, in an extinct volcano (the Lair) in the remote "Valley of the Gods" (visually modeled on Monument Valley). Hawke refuses to return Airwolf until the FIRM can recover his brother, St. John, who has been missing in action since Vietnam. To get access to Airwolf, Archangel offers Hawke protection from other government agencies who will try to recover Airwolf in exchange for flying missions of national importance for the FIRM.

In the second season, to satisfy CBS executives who wanted to appeal to a wider female audience, the show introduced Caitlin O'Shannessy, played by Jean Bruce Scott. Caitlin is a feisty former Texas Highway Patrol helicopter pilot who eventually joins Airwolf's crew. In "Fallen Angel" Hawke confirms Caitlin's suspicions that he and Santini possess and operate a super helicopter as the three fly Airwolf into East Germany to recover Archangel.

The mysterious organization known as “The FIRM” is a covert branch of the Central Intelligence Agency, whose Deputy Director, Michael Coldsmith-Briggs III (Alex Cord), is code-named Archangel.

In the first two seasons, Archangel is often assisted by Marella (Deborah Pratt). She had doctorates in Aeronautical Engineering, Electronic Engineering, Psychology, Microbiology, and French Literature, and was one year away from completing her Medical Doctorate as of the episode “Fallen Angel.”

The first season of the series was dark, arc-driven, and quite reflective of the contemporary Cold War, with the FIRM personnel distinctly dressed in white, implicitly boasting that “wearing white hats” distinguished them as good, instead of evil. Hawke remained unconvinced, and Santini was skeptical also (this was explained in “Daddy's Gone a Hunt'n”). Early episodes frequently detailed the efforts of the United States government to secure Airwolf from Hawke, whom it officially charged with having stolen it. Because CBS wanted to transform the series into a more family-oriented show, the program was transformed during Season Two into a more light-hearted series with Hawke and Santini being portrayed as cooperative partners with the FIRM (see below for more behind the scenes information).

The FIRM, during the first three seasons, served as both ally and enemy for Hawke and Santini; when an opportunity to seize Airwolf presented itself, FIRM operatives often took it...

The original cast was completely written out of the fourth season (1987); only Jan-Michael Vincent appears in the first, transitional episode. Dominic, played by a double for Ernest Borgnine who is seen only from the back, was killed off in an explosion; Archangel was said to have suddenly been assigned overseas, with "the FIRM" replaced by "the company" (a long-standing nickname for the CIA in the real world); and no mention was made of Caitlin. Saint John Hawke, now played by Barry Van Dyke, was suddenly revealed to be alive and well, having been working for many years under deep cover for American intelligence (there were already contradictory statements about his fate, the FIRM and Archangel knew where he was the whole time and was just using Stringfellow Hawke to control Airwolf in the original three seasons). St. John was rescued and subsequently replaced Stringfellow Hawke as the central character. Production moved to Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, with a smaller budget of $300,000 an episode, less than one-third of the original CBS budget. The production crew no longer had access to the original Airwolf helicopter, and all in-flight shots were recycled from earlier seasons...


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Postby freemason9 » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:33 am

Nordic wrote:Keifer's an irresponsible boozer. He hit it big early and did nothing but drink heavily, for years. I don't know if he's still a big drinker, the fact that he's still alive means that he probably went through rehab at some point. I don't think anybody's liver could have lived through much more of what he subjected his to.

To expect much of anything out of this kid is a waste of time.

I'm amazed he's hit it big. I think he's a terrible actor. But that's just me.


Now this is completely unfair. How is it that Keifer owes you (or anyone else) his dedicated attention to the great calling of the masses?

Fuck the masses. They've had their chance, and they've proven that they are just not up to the task.

I hate the word "just" because it has no English translation.
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Postby n0x23 » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:12 am

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"KIEFER SUTHERLAND was amazed when he was told off by a member of the CIA for setting too good an example..."
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Postby NeonLX » Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:05 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:My wife like NCIS for some god awful reason, and the show is totally against her politics.


Plain & simple answer: Mark Harmon. That's why my wife watches it!

(Though I certainly don't mind getting an eyeful of Cote de Pablo).
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