Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff

Postby chiggerbit » Thu May 28, 2009 6:51 pm

vigilant said:
but cymatics (study of vibration) is potent stuff, and I do absolutely believe it works if delivered correctly. Check out some microbiology info and see what happens when you introduce an organism to a certain vibration. It will blow itself apart very quickly...


...and I read:
..when you introduce an orgasm to a certain vibration..
chiggerbit
 
Posts: 8594
Joined: Tue May 10, 2005 12:23 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby vigilant » Thu May 28, 2009 7:30 pm

chiggerbit wrote:vigilant said:
but cymatics (study of vibration) is potent stuff, and I do absolutely believe it works if delivered correctly. Check out some microbiology info and see what happens when you introduce an organism to a certain vibration. It will blow itself apart very quickly...


...and I read:
..when you introduce an orgasm to a certain vibration..



Ms. Chigger...Ms. Chigger...You have a beautiful mind, I can hear its music...i luv the way you think... :playharp: :glasses: 8)
The whole world is a stage...will somebody turn the lights on please?....I have to go bang my head against the wall for a while and assimilate....
vigilant
 
Posts: 2210
Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:53 pm
Location: Back stage...
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby lightningBugout » Thu May 28, 2009 9:22 pm

Damnit - a very long response got lost.

In a nutshell it said I am too busy to read vig's posts with the attention they deserve, that I've got nothing personal against him and that I am biased on Swine Flu by virtue of association with several people in my life who are in medicine and public health.

Now, off to vibrate my orgasms til they blow apart.
"What's robbing a bank compared with founding a bank?" Bertolt Brecht
User avatar
lightningBugout
 
Posts: 2515
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:34 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby chiggerbit » Thu May 28, 2009 10:19 pm

Damnit - a very long response got lost.


Oh, man, I really hate that when it happens to me. I won't swear it's so, but I'm almost certain that when that almost happened to me once after I switched to the Opera browser, I was able to retrieve what I thought I had lost.
chiggerbit
 
Posts: 8594
Joined: Tue May 10, 2005 12:23 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby vigilant » Thu May 28, 2009 10:36 pm

lightningBugout wrote:Damnit - a very long response got lost.

In a nutshell it said I am too busy to read vig's posts with the attention they deserve, that I've got nothing personal against him and that I am biased on Swine Flu by virtue of association with several people in my life who are in medicine and public health.

Now, off to vibrate my orgasms til they blow apart.


I really hate to cheat on Chigger, as she is my new love, but lightningbugout here is some music for your.......uhhhh....buzzy evening....

:playharp: :dnahelix:

May your dna rattle the mercury fillings from your teeth.



I have a failsafe for this "lost post" condition, and i'm a man....after I type anything at all, I highllite it, copy it, and then hit submit. If it gets eaten by the lost post monster, I simply repaste it back into a new message. No problem....

that way...I still have my......uhhhhh..."post".....

Are you girls sure you know how "posts" operate? My "posts" dont' use batteries........

I'm beginning to wonder if our dictionaries are the same edition? Maybe I don't understand what a "post" is........anything is postable.......uhhhh...I mean possible.....
The whole world is a stage...will somebody turn the lights on please?....I have to go bang my head against the wall for a while and assimilate....
vigilant
 
Posts: 2210
Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:53 pm
Location: Back stage...
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby lightningBugout » Thu May 28, 2009 10:43 pm

I appreciate the love, but you do know I'm a tall guy with a beard, right?
"What's robbing a bank compared with founding a bank?" Bertolt Brecht
User avatar
lightningBugout
 
Posts: 2515
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:34 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby vigilant » Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:49 am

lightningBugout wrote:I appreciate the love, but you do know I'm a tall guy with a beard, right?


guess i'll have to stick with Chig...not that I have anything against tall dudes with beards, but i prefer that they are not "against" my skin...


and as the music fades from the swine flu that was not
the billions in taxpayer vaccines sold will be needed not
and the coffers are full from the bird flu that flew not
and coffers even fuller from the pig flu that was not
the best time to buy stock in vaccine that is needed not
is about a year before the shelf life renders stockpiles of vaccines not
pigs and birds seem to have a relationship? of course not
the next big vaccine bash is already being planned for the next not
if ya wanna make big cash own the company that disposes of not
those now hazardous wastes of vaccines past that are needed not
so don't get your knickers twisted when it comes time for the next not

and they won't be twisted in a not...knot...

knock knock:

who is there
"no"
no who?
nobody.....
then why do you force me to answer the door?
cause I get paid everytime I beat on it and run....

simple....

you gonna be home jan. 1st, 2012 on friday night, say around 9:00 p.m.???

this time I "promise" I won't knock and run....you believe me....

don't you???
The whole world is a stage...will somebody turn the lights on please?....I have to go bang my head against the wall for a while and assimilate....
vigilant
 
Posts: 2210
Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:53 pm
Location: Back stage...
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby Col. Quisp » Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:00 am

Just wanted to update you all on my illness -- finally coming out of it. I never went to a doctor so I don't know if it was the swine flu. but it sure did linger. I never had much of a fever, just lots of coughing and congestion in the chest. thankfully it's clearing up now.
User avatar
Col. Quisp
 
Posts: 1076
Joined: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:43 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby vigilant » Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:08 am

Col. Quisp wrote:Just wanted to update you all on my illness -- finally coming out of it. I never went to a doctor so I don't know if it was the swine flu. but it sure did linger. I never had much of a fever, just lots of coughing and congestion in the chest. thankfully it's clearing up now.


I saw your post a while back. Actually...as I wrote the above I wondered what happened with you. I'm glad you recovered and didn't have something terrible. These strains of what I call the "crud", which are "i think" strains of mycoplasms are becoming increasingly nasty over the years. Sometimes they last for weeks, and getting rid of it usually takes a strong body and time. Antibiotics don't seem to flush them out in a hurry.

Nasty hacking cough at first that produces nothing. Next sore throat sets in. Next cough becomes productive and terrible green and brown mucus comes up with the cough. Major chest congestion, to the point of wheezing when you breathe many times. Persists for weeks sometimes. It isn't the flu, its.....well....I call it the "crud"....

If you are old, or your system is seriously compromised, it can be a real problem. If your body is fairly strong, you get over it.

sound like what you had?
The whole world is a stage...will somebody turn the lights on please?....I have to go bang my head against the wall for a while and assimilate....
vigilant
 
Posts: 2210
Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:53 pm
Location: Back stage...
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby lightningBugout » Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:15 am

Col. Quisp wrote:Just wanted to update you all on my illness -- finally coming out of it. I never went to a doctor so I don't know if it was the swine flu. but it sure did linger. I never had much of a fever, just lots of coughing and congestion in the chest. thankfully it's clearing up now.



glad to hear it CQ. we just had the first LA death down the street from me.
"What's robbing a bank compared with founding a bank?" Bertolt Brecht
User avatar
lightningBugout
 
Posts: 2515
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:34 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby Col. Quisp » Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:24 am

Thanks LBO and Vig...

I didn't have the green or brown mucus -- it was clear, so I don't know if it was "the crud." but there was a lot of coughing and congestion, and wheezing and crackling sounds in the chest. I was getting ready to go to a doctor but then it started to clear up finally. I took some apple cider vinegar, chest compresses, stayed under the covers for an entire day. That seemed to break it up.

Sorry to hear about the LA death. I think this thing is about to rear its head again. People aren't paying attention to it so much now. I just checked that site that Chig listed earlier -- there's a lot going on around the world.
User avatar
Col. Quisp
 
Posts: 1076
Joined: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:43 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby lightningBugout » Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:03 am

Brown mucus usually means you have a bacterial infection, which many people get as secondary to the viral onslaught.

Yeah, it seems that this thing is slowly plodding away still acting very similar to the Spanish Flu of 1918. I find it sort of ironic that people did so much speculation about it being a hoax or a diversion, because, in truth the media excitement pretty much ceased a few weeks back. Though I suppose if it starts to kill people who do not have underlying conditions (which I don't think it is doing yet), I'm sure we'll lots of new scare-theater.
"What's robbing a bank compared with founding a bank?" Bertolt Brecht
User avatar
lightningBugout
 
Posts: 2515
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:34 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby chiggerbit » Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:01 pm

This is Australia's winter season, isn't it? And the flu seems to be thriving in their "cold" temps.

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/show ... hp?t=63976

Victoria on swine flu alarm list
Daniella Miletic and Peter Gregory
June 6, 2009

SINGAPORE has become the first country to advise its residents not to travel to Victoria because of swine flu, compounding fears that the state's rising infection rate could significantly harm tourism.

Local tourism operators have accused the Singapore Government of overreacting, and Premier John Brumby warned countries against "scaremongering".

The warning, published on the Singapore Government website yesterday, asks residents to avoid "non-essential" travel to Melbourne and the state of Victoria.

The warning also advises against travel to Mexico, the US, Canada, parts of Japan and Chile.

If the trip is unavoidable, it asks travellers to steer clear of crowded areas and people who look unwell.

As Australia's tally of swine flu cases swelled to 1006 yesterday, Health Minister Nicola Roxon said the surge was not unexpected.

About 874 of the nation's cases are Victorians, an increase of more than 120 in a day.

NSW has the second-highest number of cases at 75.

"This recent surge in cases was not unexpected, given the behaviour of the disease that we've seen in other countries," Ms Roxon said.

But the Federal Government defended the move by four states — NSW, Tasmania, South Australia and Queensland — to quarantine for seven days students arriving home from Melbourne.

Mr Brumby said it was unnecessary, but Ms Roxon said it was a precaution.

She also said that jurisdictions that still had only a few cases would of course do what they could "within the realms of having a proportionate response" to slow down the spread of the disease.

Singapore Airlines has not reported any cancellations due to the virus and had no plans to reduce capacity, a spokeswoman said yesterday.

Mr Brumby said Singapore's warning was inappropriate and unfortunate, saying normal seasonal flu posed more risks.

He said several countries, including the US and Canada, had stopped testing for H1N1 because the virus was much milder than envisaged.

"In many countries this is very mild indeed; it's a cough and a sniffle more like a common cold rather than a seasonal flu," he said.

Victorian Tourism Industry Council chief executive Anthony McIntosh said: "This is a gross overreaction. The bottom line is that certainly the small businesses that the tourism industry is largely made up of will suffer somewhat."

Travel cancellations could be expected because of Singapore's decision, he said.

"What we don't need is scaremongering on a national and international stage to frighten people even further," he said.

Meanwhile, anti-discrimination bodies in Victoria and Tasmania have warned that workers sacked or given reduced hours because they had swine flu could bring discrimination cases against their employers.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/vi...0605-bylc.html
chiggerbit
 
Posts: 8594
Joined: Tue May 10, 2005 12:23 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby chiggerbit » Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:41 pm

Found this article at the same link Quispy mentioned. Very interesting.

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/show ... hp?t=63834

Ask The Doc: How Exactly Can Flu Kill A Healthy Person?

The tragic death of an otherwise completely-healthy nine-year-old Concord girl has brutally reminded us all of the swine flu. We all send our deepest condolences to the family and friends of the little girl. It seems incomprehensible, with the state of modern medical technology, that such a thing could happen. But each year many people die from the flu - and most of us probably assume that those afflicted are only the very elderly or chronically ill. The swine flu news coverage has reminded us that even healthy people can die from flu.

With all this increased flu awareness, more than one loyal Doc Gurley reader asks what many people may be wondering, "But how exactly do you die from the flu?" It's true - in our frenzied nationwide swine flu coverage, that essential bit of information was often left out. And counting on what you already know can be a mistake.

Many of us have years of personal flu experience under our belts - and even more mega-hours of commercials drilled into our heads with flu descriptions of "sniffling, sneezing, runny nose." Sadly, none of this prepares us for the real deal.

See, the "flu" we usually get is actually a cold. Flu season burns through communities and thousands upon thousands are affected, but still we, as a people, often lump flu and colds together into one mucousy glob.

Flu, in contrast to a cold, is the kind of sickness where people who've had it say, with a smug glance, "oh believe me, you'll know if you get it." Flu is often described as initially making you feel as though you'd been hit by a bus - a whole body ache that not many other things can cause.

Swine flu, in contrast, is often described as NOT causing the whole-body ache.

Regular flu also often has a fever - and not just any fever, but a high fever over 101 degrees.

Swine flu, also in contrast, has been documented in people without much, or even any, fever.

Regular flu can cause runny nose and coughing - and even progress until you're coughing up green and yellow sputum. Swine flu can do the same.
Swine flu also seems to have a more common gastrointestinal phase where you get nauseated or even puke, with maybe some diarrhea.

So we've got coughing, snot, maybe some aches, maybe some fever, maybe some puking. But still - how does it get so bad that you die?

Whether it's regular flu or swine flu, any illness that progresses rapidly can kill you. So maybe you've had one day of the aches, a low grade temp and a little nausea - but if you progress in that one day from a wee bit of nausea to puking constantly, having watery diarrhea, and getting dizzy when you stand, you've got to get help soon. The younger or older you are, and if you take certain medications, the more dangerous these gastrointestinal symptoms are.

And that cough? You'll often read that if you aren't better in three days, you should be seen. But, in fact, any illness that makes you feel short of breath means you need a prompt evaluation. With children, difficulty breathing can be harder to assess, especially if your child is not old enough to talk - listlessness and rapid breathing may be your only possible symptoms, so keep in close touch with your pediatrician. However annoying or expensive it seems, shortness of breath means a trip to the doctor - even if your symptoms have existed for only a day or even mere hours. Because if you can't breathe, you can't live.

Finally, there are two little-known flu facts to keep in mind as we continue to monitor the evolution of swine flu. First, flu of all kinds causes your body to pump out flu-fighting glycoproteins (called cytokines) and special immune cells. This physiologic response is very specific to viruses. Unfortunately, the unintended consequence of your body's eager flu reaction is that it can leave you very susceptible to bacterial infections.

Kind of like rushing all your body's troops off to battle invaders on the Western front, while leaving your Eastern territory completely unguarded. In practical terms, this means that you have to keep watch, even after flu symptoms seem to get better. A new fever, a worse cough, a sudden bad headache, a strange rash - all of these can mean wicked bacteria have invaded and are running relatively unchecked while your body is still focused on the flu (swine or otherwise). Sometimes it's only after a normally healthy person gets overwhelmingly sick with a bacterial infection that healthcare providers realize a prior flu infection might be part of the problem.

Second, another little discussed side effect of battling the flu is post-flu depression. Those flu-fighting cytokines seem to induce it (which is why people undergoing treatment for hepatitis C also have to guard against depression as a side effect of treatment). Agatha Christie even wrote a lovely Miss Marple novel where Miss Marple is depressed for months after surviving the Great Flu epidemic and can't seem to find her zest for life again. While post-flu depression is not likely to be lethal, it can have an impact on your ability to get back into life, and can cause you to wonder if something is still seriously wrong with you.


Bottom line: If something that feels like the flu is burning through your friends/famly/social group, be sure to watch yourself and others for rapidly progressing symptoms, an inability to keep fluids down (or in!), any shortness of breath, and any "new" symptoms after 4-5 days. A good medical evaluation will go a long way towards both reassuring you and getting you appropriate, prompt treatment, if indicated. And if you've cruised through a flu-like infection relatively safely, watch out for symptoms of lingering depression - nurture yourself, and get mental health help if you need it.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=41223
chiggerbit
 
Posts: 8594
Joined: Tue May 10, 2005 12:23 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby Mx32 » Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:12 pm

Hmmm "the crud"


I am a youngish English male and twice now I have had this chest infection. Last year it got so bad I couldn't walk. Coughing all night and just wheezing like an old man.Fighting for breath (non-smoker) And what I "bring up": literally can fill up pint glass after pint glass with a kind of thick white dribble/mucus.

1st time I ever got it went to a homeopath, as a last resort, and it cleared up after one tablet.

Last year I went to a Dr and got anti-biotics, they seemed to do the trick.

I figure if I ever get it when I'm in my 80s, It'll finish me off.
Mx32
 
Posts: 237
Joined: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:12 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 9 guests