JFK assassination film hoax

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Postby anotherdrew » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:41 am

I'm half serious actually... If it's true that there is a vast amount of hidden tech (electro-gravitc space drive, 'free-energy', etc.), the best way to keep it hidden would be to move operations off earth as early as possible. The cold war was mostly for show, the space race cover. This line of reasoning leads into the Alternative 3 realm and possiblly at least semi-helpfull aliens. It also explains a lot of motivations for some of the really strange things that seem to go on. The JFK part of all that isn't too likely, but it sure would have been one great way to get him available to serve off planet. Presumably the helpfull aliens could have cured some of his health problems as well, perhaps he has a fresh new clone body by now. When reality and fiction blend, might as well come up with a good story at least. <p></p><i></i>
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AMWORLD or JM-WAVE?

Postby MinM » Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:02 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:One book is CIA-centric.<br>1)'Conspiracy to Stop the Kennedys,' by Mathew Smith.<br>This goes into the deaths of Monroe, JFK, RFK, and the discrediting of Ted Kennedy at Chappaquidick.<br>Smith is British and a purportedly a long time JFK 'expert.'<br><br>But the other is very Mafia-centric and claims new info.<br>2)'Ultimate Sacrifice,' by Lamar Waldron with Thom Hartmann<br>This claims that a new document lead shows an invasion of Cuba planned for December 1963 called by the CIA 'AMWORLD.'...

Classic case of Keyword Hijacking:

Conflating a little known, and dubious at best, contingency plan AMWORLD.

Juxtaposed against the well known, CIA Station in Miami, JM-WAVE.

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Postby DrVolin » Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:04 pm

I am not completely closed to the idea that frames may be missing, or perhaps that some were re-arranged, but I haven't been convinced by the arguments that the entire film is a fake. However, I do think the Zapruder film gives very clear demonstration that there was a second shooter, and that the second shooter was placed behind the motorcade. My wild guess is the records building, but who knows.

I've posted this here before, but I never saw a reaction: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1725590/posts

Here is how I bumped into this very enlightening blog post. I was reading some other, non-conspiracy forum, and one poster had an animated avatar of the headshot. I only saw it out of the corner of my eye, so I wasn't focusing on JFK's head. I noticed that Governor Connally was projected forward about the same time as the headshot. I watched the stabilized version a few times, and it was unmistakable: Connally was being projected forward and collapsing in his wife's lap an instant after the headshot (two frames later, at 325, to be exact). Before that moment, Connally is turning around and looks lucid and aware. After that moment, he collapses, and doesn't seem to move until the film ends. He is clearly much more seriously hurt after 325 than before.

My first reaction was: I didn't realize Connally had also been hit by the bullet from the headshot? But after a couple of quick calculations, I realized that there is at least 0.7 seconds between the head shot and Connolly's being driven forward by an impact. That only means one thing. There were two bullets fired at about the same time, thus ruling out the single shooter hypothesis.

After a lot of Google searching, I found the above blogpost, which gives the same story, along with some discussion.

Hugh is going to like this next part: Now the intense focus on the headshot and on the movement of the head (back and to the left, repeated ad nauseam in some films) is very well explained. If you focus on the head every time you watch the film, and every time you even think about the assassination, you're not likely to notice that Connally is hit in the back by a bullet that must have been fired after the headshot, but before Oswald could humanly reload, aim, and fire.

Neither are you likely to think anything of it if you think the whole film is a fake...
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Postby FourthBase » Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:57 am

As I said in an old thread, there's a visible trajectory if one focuses on the angle at which his skull is sliced apart by the bullet, if one tries to see the bullet. The trajectory extends from the exact point behind the knoll fence where one is supposed to see the Badge Man, to the old brick courthouse. So, to my eyes, in my mind, the fatal shot (if there was only one) came either from the brick courthouse diagonally behind or from the classic knoll position diagonally in front.
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Postby FourthBase » Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:36 am

The old thread:

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... sc&start=0

My shitty first attempt to show the trajectory I see:

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Zapruder gifs:

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Here's an improvement on my attempt to show the trajectory:

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Postby DrVolin » Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:27 pm

Then I'd have to say courthouse. Very interesting analysis. Thanks.
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Postby sunny » Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:26 pm

Thanks for that 4thB. Very interesting indeed.

I have to say, I have always had an uncomfortable feeling about the Z film from the moment I saw it. The feeling went beyond the shock at it's graphic nature. Something doesn't sit right. Look at the image at below at the stop:

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To me, his head and face are distorted in a very odd way in that image, but then his is the only head I've ever seen that's almost literally been shot off.

And this one:

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Doesn't it seem to anyone else that the 'shiny hair' white spot is rather caved in?
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Re: JFK assassination film hoax

Postby MinM » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:28 pm

anotherdrew wrote:well, that's always looked like an exit wound comming out of the front of the head to me. That's a problem I always had with assasination stuff, it did look to me like he was shot from behind. <p></p><i></i>

Thus the reason for the altered film. To put that idea and doubt out there. While at the same time supporting the theory fabricated and put forward by Arlen Specter and Gerald Ford:
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Postby sunny » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:16 pm

sunny wrote:Thanks for that 4thB. Very interesting indeed.

I have to say, I have always had an uncomfortable feeling about the Z film from the moment I saw it. The feeling went beyond the shock at it's graphic nature. Something doesn't sit right. Look at the image at below at the stop:

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To me, his head and face are distorted in a very odd way in that image, but then his is the only head I've ever seen that's almost literally been shot off.

And this one:

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Doesn't it seem to anyone else that the 'shiny hair' white spot is rather caved in?


Sorry to quote myself, but as I was looking over this thread it struck me that my comment about the white spot looking "caved in" could be evidence of a matte insertion to hide the exit wound. The shiny white caved in portion is exactly where the Dallas doctors placed the exit wound.

My question is to those who have more than a passing knowledge of photography: could they have done the matte insertion to hide the actual exit wound, and moved and inserted the splatter and skull expulsion from the rear over to the side where it is now? Would that have been possible?
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