Jani's at the mercy of her mind

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Postby teamdaemon » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:31 pm

Cosmic Cowbell wrote:pages upon pages of petty bullshit


This is why I didn't touch this thread before. I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say that the troll probably either takes psychiatric drugs or has some history with the system. In my experience that's generally the only way a conscious person can defend a system like this, besides being a psychiatrist or lower level functionary. Thou doth protest too much.

Regarding autism, I'm not going to argue. I was just throwing it out there as a possibility. I just wanted to point out that the drugs themselves can cause all of the symptoms generally associated with schizophrenia. I didn't read the whole thing because honestly, I know enough people who go through this shit and I don't need to read a case study on the internet.
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Postby justdrew » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:32 pm

mentalgongfu2 wrote:"Jani's at the mercy of RI"


would it be OK with you if the name were joni ?

For those who think this is none of our business, take it up with the parents who seek the publicity, exposure and who have long ago made this a public matter.
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Postby Maddy » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:01 pm

justdrew wrote:
mentalgongfu2 wrote:"Jani's at the mercy of RI"


would it be OK with you if the name were joni ?

For those who think this is none of our business, take it up with the parents who seek the publicity, exposure and who have long ago made this a public matter.


And even if they didn't, I would think anyone who found out about something such as this would at least have the courtesy and humanity to attempt to help any child, even if they thought something might be wrong and harmful to her/him - even if they were completely wrong and off-base. Because we're humans, and we should look after our young, even if they're not our own. Especially those who have some concept of what the system does not just to the young, but to anyone it can get its hands on. Sure, I could be wrong. But I'd rather be wrong than be right and do or say absolutely nothing at all.
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Postby justdrew » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:42 pm

Maddy wrote:
justdrew wrote:
mentalgongfu2 wrote:"Jani's at the mercy of RI"


would it be OK with you if the name were joni ?

For those who think this is none of our business, take it up with the parents who seek the publicity, exposure and who have long ago made this a public matter.


And even if they didn't, I would think anyone who found out about something such as this would at least have the courtesy and humanity to attempt to help any child, even if they thought something might be wrong and harmful to her/him - even if they were completely wrong and off-base. Because we're humans, and we should look after our young, even if they're not our own. Especially those who have some concept of what the system does not just to the young, but to anyone it can get its hands on. Sure, I could be wrong. But I'd rather be wrong than be right and do or say absolutely nothing at all.


indeed. I shudder to think what the treatment would have been by now say, 60 years ago (or less?). No doubt they would have already done electroshock, and the exact same arguments in favor would have been offered.
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yes, let's drug our children. lovely.

Postby wordspeak2 » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:53 am

>Cosmic Cowbell FORBIDS those without medical degrees from posting >their reactions to events that may or may not be based on medical >conditions (but probably are).

um.
I concur with teamdaemon in that it's mind-blowing to me that an intelligent, critical person living surrounded by this system could give any stake at all to the vast majority of "psychiatry diagnoses," rather than realizing that they're- oh boy- made the f**k up in order to have an excuse to- jee whiz- feed the masses, especially potentially deviant segments of the population, mind control drugs.
Or do you really think that there is an epidemic of "bipolar disorder" out there? I'll give you bipolar disorder- drinking coffee in the morning then smoking weed at night; you act and feel completely different. Do you realize that "homosexuality" was in the DSM until quite recently?
People *with* medical degrees, like my father, who have been through six years of pharma industry-connected brainwashing camp, I mean medical school, are the ones who should be banned from posting.
Jani's primary "symptoms" are symptom-atic of childhood, and wild imaginations in young people should be embraced by society, instead of suppresed and destroyed by the drugging of an industry with its roots deep in literal Nazism. it's the *drugs* that whacked out jani. hello, mcfly.
There's a lot of genius to be harnessed from children like Jani, and from dyslexic children, in particular. And I've worked with autistic people most of my life, too...
Also just got through living with a twenty-five year old who's life has been completely destroyed by being on heavy psych drugs since he was eighteen. As in, can barely get out of bed, can't function in society, etc. He's an intelligent, kind person. He's *drugged.* Heroin may not be worse.

And here's another contribution from my sister:

have people seen the video with jani in it?

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/ ... ory?page=1


i don't think the point is that jani is "normal" right now, watching her
on the video, seeing her eyes and body movements, hearing the stories of
her intense sleep-deprivation as an infant, suicide attempts and the
animals telling her to be violent.. this is not exactly "normal"... i
think the point is that she *could be* "normal" or could at least be a
hell of a lot closer to it if she wasn't (in video commentaries own words)
on "potent psychiatric drugs in doses that would stagger most adults"
(and, has been on them for we don't even years, maybe longer) the idea
that these drugs just "seem to skip off her" is ludicrous and defies any
basic scientific logic...just by looking at her you can tell they are
effecting her...and by listening to her words u get even more clues about
this..

in my earlier post i linked to all the evidence showing how thorazine and
other neuroleptic drugs can cause chemical imbalances and play into
psychotic symptoms such as hearing voices...in this dialogue (i quote
exactly from the video clip with her), jani practically tells us that
straight up..for anyone who is paying attention...

journalist and jani:

"do u think u see ur friends more now or less since you went on the
thorazine?

"more"

"more?

"yes, because thorazine is not helping very much"

"do you want them to go away?"

"400 i do and wednesday i do because they are bad"

"how are they bad?"

"they tell me to bad things"

"what kind of bad things?"

"like hitting and screaming and kicking..."

hmmmm.....so she sees the "friends," the ones that encourage violence..
MORE on the thorazine....

even in the listed "side" effects they mention "adverse behavioral
effects: psychotic symptoms and catatonic states" (and that's just those
that are listed...historically the worst symptoms are often covered up...
see the exposure of zyprexa and diabetes)

(And of ya, while she's on the thorazine she might also want to be be on
the look out fever-like symptoms, seizures, EKG changes, neuromuscular
changes, for immune system problems due to problems with white blood cell
count, spasms, insomnia, motor restlessness,endocrine disorders, changes
in skin pigmentation, pseudo-parkinsonism, tardive dyskenisia, nausea,
vommitting, drowsiness,....

...to name a few...
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Postby Maddy » Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:34 pm

His new blog post blames Jani, physicians, psychiatrists and those on teh intarwebz for his problems. Everyone else is messed up! He's just the victim. Image He calls it "Defending Her Life" but it really sounds, to me, like the rest of his blogs, that he's only defending his own.
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Postby justdrew » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:38 pm

Scientific Fraud in Medicine: More Than a Few Bad Apples
July 21st, 2009

Via: Alliance for Natural Health:
http://www.anhcampaign.org/news/new-study-scientific-fraud-in-medicine

Finding that most clinical results are misleading, or simply wrong, assumes that the studies were biased but honestly conducted. The assumption of honesty is the default approach for a scientist. You assume that the results represent the true experimental findings. However, recent findings suggest that medicine has a particular problem with scientific dishonesty.

Scientific fraud is a pronounced problem in clinical medicine and particularly in pharmaceutical research. The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) conservatively reports deficiencies and flaws in 1 or 2 studies in every 10.

Dr Daniele Fanelli’s study illustrates the problem clearly. When asked if they had ever fabricated, or falsified results, up to 5% of scientists admitted outright cheating. One third of scientists admitted questionable practices. That is, they manipulated their data to give a false impression. The scientists modified the outcome to “improve” results. A similar one third of scientists admitted observing misconduct in others. Notably, those scientists who participate in fraud are often serial offenders. Having successfully fabricated one study, they find fraud easier than the painstaking task of conducting valid studies. The published figures on scientific fraud are clearly underestimates. Expecting all fraudsters to admit their offence when asked for your study is naive, even if you do guarantee not to tell.

Fanelli reminds us too that the conventional response by the orthodoxy to the revelation of fraud, in which blame is deflected on a “few bad apples” such as Hwang Woo-Suk’s fake stem-cell lines or Jan Hendrik Schön’s duplicated graphs, is short of the mark. It seems the problem is somewhat more endemic.

Worse than this, Fanelli shows us that misconduct is more prevalent in clinical, medical, and pharmaceutical research — the very area that “gold standard” clinical evidence is held in such high repute. This misconduct is a consequence of the large financial interests in studies of drugs and other treatments. A minor change in the percentage of people benefiting from a treatment in a study could affect billions of dollars in future sales. We know that most of these clinical studies are reporting false and misleading results from statistical considerations alone. We need to add a specific bias from fraud and data manipulation. When deliberate deception is included, we conclude that modern “evidence-based” medicine needs a health warning.
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Postby justdrew » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:07 pm

Maddy wrote:His new blog post blames Jani, physicians, psychiatrists and those on teh intarwebz for his problems. Everyone else is messed up! He's just the victim. Image He calls it "Defending Her Life" but it really sounds, to me, like the rest of his blogs, that he's only defending his own.


I don't know, I read part of it so far and my sense of it is that it's the best thing I've seen so far, and for once I kinda feel like maybe things are starting to work out better for them. I will shift to optimistic for this family, and wish them the best of luck with a rough situation. Will take a longer look later...

<later>

hmm. well, they're not deleting all the critical comments it seems. I'm pleasantly surprised to see they have taken on-board some aspects of the critique (indirectly perhaps, but still!). Hearing voices with sound cogent arguments at odds with their prevailing view-point may well have spurred some changes for the better and new ways of looking at the situation. I hope they can move on from a new start and with a better life.

or am I just jumping at baseless hope? Anyway I get a different "tone" from the parents on this latest blog, and feel like things are going to be getting much better for all of them from here on out.


and good work there from Ann and thanks to anyone else who's wanted to help them in any way.

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Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:24 pm

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"There are no whole truths: all truths are half-truths. It is trying to treat them as whole truths that plays the devil." ~ A.N. Whitehead
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Postby Maddy » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:23 am

I'd like to believe that too, justdrew, but perhaps I've become a bit too cynical over the years. I would like to be proven wrong. So, as always, I will hope to be proven wrong! Until then, I don't hold my breath any longer. Ya know? :?
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Postby justdrew » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:14 am

Maddy wrote:I'd like to believe that too, justdrew, but perhaps I've become a bit too cynical over the years. I would like to be proven wrong. So, as always, I will hope to be proven wrong! Until then, I don't hold my breath any longer. Ya know? :?


yeah, I sure do. same here most of the time.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:38 pm

Michael Schofield is back with a new post today. It's the usual lachrymose logorrhoeic splurge. Despite the fact that it goes on forever, it's bizarrely evasive and uninformative about the ostensible subject: his martyred six-year-old daughter Jani, who is still being drugged into imperfect submission. Bruce bloody Springsteen supplies the inevitably heroic soundtrack:



The comments have to be read to be [dis]believed. Oh yes, and the Department of Child and Family Services have been in touch with him after visiting his website. (For the record: It wasn't me who put them onto him, but I'm glad somebody did.)

In short: Michael Schofield's entire blog is yet another unwitting vindication of the late lamented R. D. Laing.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:44 pm

His Struggle (continued).

This is the way the world ends, really. Parents who mistake their child's life for a disease and then sell it to the LA Times, the Chicago Tribune, ABC and now Fox News, while the nation prays, weeps and applauds.

Raise an objection and you're being "negative".
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:29 pm

On Tuesday the Schofields paraded their child on Oprah.

Prediction: Michael Schofield is going to get a book deal out of his daughter's alleged "illness", and Oprah will ensure that it's a bestseller. Jani's role in life is to be her daddy's meal-ticket.
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Postby justdrew » Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:52 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:On Tuesday the Schofields paraded their child on Oprah.

Prediction: Michael Schofield is going to get a book deal out of his daughter's alleged "illness", and Oprah will ensure that it's a bestseller. Jani's role in life is to be her daddy's meal-ticket.


he's going to have to hire a ghostwriter though.
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