Sheehan to Be Arrested Thursday National Security Threat

[proldic]

"Reasoning with one who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to a dead man"<br><br>-- Thomas Paine <p></p><i></i>

[AnnaLivia]

good morning, darling proldic. yup....but just like cindy and george, it's all about the audience. the normans make it easy to talk to all the lurkers who might still be deciding....<br><br>you use the tools you have on hand. <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

Norman:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Only because I feel, people such as yourself need an avenue to blow off steam.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Personally, I think people such as yourself need a place where you can parade your ignorance and naiveté. I'm not so sure RI is the right place for that, though. This is a discussion board which deals with the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>parapolitical</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, and occasionally its intersection with the paranormal. You seem to assume it's a <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>political</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> discussion board where Democrats are cheered and Republicans are booed, in the vein of Democratic Underground.<br><br>You clearly demonstrate not only an utter lack of comprehension of what is being discussed here, but also an unwillingness to learn, an unhealthy lack of humility vis-à-vis those who are better informed about the subject than yourself, and a cocksureness unbecoming a newbie.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

"I have found that most people already make up thier minds about what political side they sit on early on. You can try to convince them into a different direction for the rest of your life and nothing will change. Therefore, I have my own opinions and you have yours."<br><br>No, man. You aren't speaking for anyone but yourself. And, as such, you're admitting to having a fixed, reflexive political stance that you're apparently resigned to being locked into for life, like some sort of zombie. <br><br>Actually, you sound more proud of it than resigned to it. I suppose that's part of the syndrome. <br><br>And it appears that another part of that sad-ass state of affairs is the requirement to project your own self-admitted mental limitations on everyone else that you encounter.<br><br>Meanwhile, I feel free to change my opinions whenever I feel that it's merited, on the basis of my increased knowledge of the facts, or from developing a wider perspective about what I know. <br><br>"...after being in political forums for YEARS, I have found that evidence means nothing. I could show you it and then someone will just refute it, others will chime in and point to something else and all that work will go to naught. It is a waste of good research."<br><br>In other words, you got nothing.<br><br>Nothing, that is, other than the announcement of your adherence to a rigid and intransigent set of political prejudices, a rictus game face of ideological partisanship that's completely out of line in this forum, and a patronizing attitude toward your fellow forum members. <br><br>Hey, don't let me stop you. Go on, strut your ignorance for us some more...by the way, how are things in Cliche Hell? Tell us about it. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 8/15/05 10:51 am<br></i>

[Sweejak]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I have found that most people already make up thier minds about what political side they sit on early on. You can try to convince them into a different direction for the rest of your life and nothing will change.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sheehanandprowsupporter9dk.jpg">img349.imageshack.us/my.p...ter9dk.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>We also met a man whose son was KIA in Iraq in November of 2004. He still loves George Bush and thinks we are doing great things in Iraq. By the end of the day we were drinking beer together and telling each other "I love you." I am telling you miracles are happening here in Crawford.-- Sheehan<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sweejak@rigorousintuition>Sweejak</A> at: 8/15/05 10:24 am<br></i>

[chiggerbit]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>As far as I'm concerned, perhaps the most effective thing that anti-Iraq War talk radio hosts could do would be to dig out those old archives of Rush Limbaugh and his imitators in the months before the Iraq invasion, and for a few months afterward. Dig up every tall tale, every wild conjecture, every rumor passed off as fact, every glowing promise...make a greatest hits compilation, and broadcast it. <br><br>There would hardly even be a need for comment, afterward.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Excellent, excellent, excellent. Do it, please. I would even pay for something like that. I'll put my order in now for a video, but I would also like to see something done up for posters. I'm thinking about putting a board out at the front of my place. Maybe just bold-faced quotes, one per poster, or possibly two per poster as a compare-and-contrast statement, short and simple. Something that I could change every week to a new one. Yeah, sound-bites and read-bites. <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

<br>You're whistling "Dixie" here, Norman, and believe me, I've heard that tune before. <br>You pretend to be so non-partisan and then accuse everybody who disagrees with you of being a "liberal."<br>You couldn't be more predictable.<br>You are on the wrong board if you think we'll let ourselves be lectured to whithout calling you out.<br>BTW, are you the anonymous comment poster on Jeff's blog who suggested we should just nuke the whole Middle East and be done with those troublesome Arabs? <p></p><i></i>

[heath7]

Robert, great idea!<br><br>There should be a seperate documentary on each sleazeball; O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Wolf Blitzer, Aaron Brown, Joe Scarborough, Brit Hume, that little pipsqueak in the afternoons on MSNBC, etc... and there should also be a compilation, a greatest hits if you will. The statements all these helmet-heads were making before the war were so ridiculous that such an effort could be absolutely hilarious if done the right way (through humor is the best way to get people's attention, well, other than sex<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ).<br><br>...Norman has succeeded in showing the gray underbelly of the RI forum. Was it really necessary for everyone to gang up on him? Anna Livia made a good point that Norman's controversial opinions offer us an oppurtunity to preach to the less convinced lurkers, but if these contradictions are less than constructive, those same lurkers will be turned off by all the self righteous posturing.<br><br>GO CINDY!!! <p></p><i></i>

[thrulookingglass]

Sorry, couldn’t sit on the sidelines on this one: “Even if the President saw her, she would not be satisfied with any answer that he gives her.” – Exactly! There is no rational for this war. “They could pull out top secret data and show it to her and it still would not be enough.” – ah yes, the top secret data (as opposed to the double-secret data that only Dean Vernon Wormer is privileged to see) the very same data we were looking for before the current unpleasentries. And if some “secret” reason for this war were to exist (*cough*oil*cough,cough*hegemony) why keep it secret while the ever growing cache of less than plausible reasons continues to bulge at the seams?<br>“Bush could be the nicest person on the planet…” could? Well, anything’s possible, but NO. <br>“After all, that is what the real goal is here. Just to embarrass, not to get a "real" answer.” – If Bush/this administration feels any embarrassment over this current situation it is well earned and deserved. And what would a “real” answer be “Sorry, your son’s death serves the greater cause of US fascism and furthers the course of hegemony and immorality across the globe.” Inadequate indeed. “…I fail to see what she thinks she will accomplish.”- Well, sorrowfully, she has already accomplished considerably more than most could hope to in their own lifetime. She got your (along with the nebbish mass media’s) attention and has raised a dialog in a country of increasingly one-sided, counterfactual and diffident culture of self-affirming privilege.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

Norman addressed me by name in his post. I make it a general practice to reply to anyone who does that. <br><br>Furthermore, I don't take to anyone marching into a forum the way Miller has- attempting to define the semantic turf of discussion by issuing their personal self-serving proclamations on the rules and goals of debate- for instance, by making the assertion that nothing matters except opinions, and that all opinions have equal merit. That's a pre-emptive defense against being out-pointed on the facts. It's also a implicitly a bullying tactic that reads silence as agreement. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 8/15/05 7:58 pm<br></i>

[AnnaLivia]

quoting chiggerbit "I'm thinking about putting a board out at the front of my place. Maybe just bold-faced quotes, one per poster, or possibly two per poster as a compare-and-contrast statement, short and simple. Something that I could change every week to a new one. Yeah, sound-bites and read-bites."<br><br>it'll surprise no one if i suggest you change the posters, but leave a permanent message at the top of the board that says:<br><br>Read another statement from the salivating wannabe's as they prostitute themselves for the billionaires <br><br>one thing right about Cindy Sheehan is that she can't be bought. ask any good mother if she'd take all the money in the world instead of her son back.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

heath, you are so right- I wrote in an emotional state and immediately regretted it. My tone could have been a liittle softer in that last post. Still, should we not point it out when we think someone is not posting with intellectual honesty? I mean, Norman dismissed the idea of offering evidence when making claims against someone by saying that others would then offer counter evidence, as if this were no way to decipher the truth!<br>I think by pointing out such things we only discourage lurkers from posting unsubstantiated allegations against individuals, and yes, I even mean when they concern GWB and other neo-cons. Wild rumors serve no one.<br>I don't mean to say that we need a document to support every claim , just some verifiable basis in reality. <p></p><i></i>

[Sweejak]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/08/10.html">www.crooksandliars.com/2005/08/10.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I was watching this segment come up tonight and I thought that Bill had brought on a mom named Dolores Kesterson who had lost her son in the war and who would take an opposite stance than Cindy Sheehan. Thomas de Zengotita on the Huffington Post noticed exactly the same thing I did: "Dolores was slated to be the anti-Cindy Sheehan."<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

You have to understand, AnnanLivia, I live in Barney Fife County, Iowa. The road is gravel, the pickups are driven fast, and the drivers might not understand "salivate". They might even think it has something to do with salvation, and assume I am starting up a church. Then what would I do? Hmmm, this has possibilities. <p></p><i></i>

[GDN01]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>From what I have heard and read, this whole thing is coming to a conclusion sooner than later. Land owners are getting miffed and large counter-demonstrations are occurring. If this keeps up...the police will be forced to disperse the crowd.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Thousands of people have died due to Bush's lies. I hope people in this country get "miffed". It's time to be fucking angry. And the crowd will not disperse. I can tell you that. And I can tell you it's going to keep going. Let Bush "get on with his life". He will be hounded for the rest of his life by people who have decided quietly co-existing with the lies of this administration is as bad as being dead. We've lost our lives when we've lost our voice and our determination to speak the truth. <br><br>Sitting around in little huddles at night under the stars. The people are organizing. And that's one thing we realized. What we are doing scares the "powers that be", currently George Bush and his regime, because when people start talking TO each other, when they come together, that's when they are powerful. The power of Camp Casey goes way beyond the public demonstrations caught on camera and the interviews given. The power of Camp Casey is what is happening between everyone who steps foot on that small strip of road and realizes they aren't alone. And hearing one person say, "We are tired of this shit and we want it to stop." (Cindy speaks from the hip!) gives another person the power to say it, too. It's what's happening there when the sun has set and the people come together and begin organizing to never let up - that's why Camp Casey scares Bush. <p></p><i></i>