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Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:25 am

From the Podcast Only Thread -

RocketMan wrote:http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2009/09/abracadabra.html

George Kenney discusses the book Occult America with the author Mitch Horowitz (http://www.mitchorowitz.com).

Electric Politics is a fairly new discovery, which features pretty mainstream leftist stuff but on occasion veers in some interesting directions, as with David Ray Griffin on 9/11 and Peter Dale Scott. There are also discussions on the paranormal.

Mr. Kenney seems to have a fairly rigorously intuitive mindset.

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Thanks Rocketman. Mitch mentions a work by the Pulitzer prize winning James Merrill, The Changing Light at Sandover, which Merrill claims was a transcription of supernatural communications via a ouija board . The Changing Light At Sandover is now on my reading list.

I've never owned a ouija board and I've never used one. I imagine that puts me in a pretty small minority around here.

Wikipedia wrote:Criticism of ouija boards

Although ouija boards are viewed by some to be a simple toy, there are people who believe they can be harmful, including Edgar Cayce, who called them "dangerous."[9] Critics warn that "evil demons" pretend to be cooperative ghosts in order to trick players into becoming spiritually possessed.

Some practitioners claim to have had bad experiences related to the use of talking boards by being haunted by "demons," seeing apparitions of spirits, and hearing voices after using them. A few paranormal researchers, such as John Zaffis, claim that the majority of the worst cases of so-called demon harassment and possession are caused by the use of Ouija boards. The American demonologists Ed and Lorraine Warren stated that "Ouija boards are just as dangerous as drugs."[10] They further state that "séances and Ouija boards and other occult paraphernalia are dangerous because 'evil spirits' often disguise themselves as your loved ones—and take over your life."[10]

Many Christians hold the belief that using a Ouija board allows communication with demons, which they say is Biblically forbidden as a form of divination.[11] Some people who claim to have been oppressed by evil spirits after using a board say that they could only get rid of these problems after Christian deliverance.[12] Many Christians believe that no dead person's soul can be summoned, and that the only summoned spirits are demons who are trying to harm humans.[13]

As early as 1924, Harry Houdini wrote that five people from Carrito, California were driven insane by using a board.[14] That same year, Dr. Carl Wickland in his book stated that "the serious problem of alienation and mental derangement attending ignorant psychic experiments was first brought to my attention by cases of several persons whose seemingly harmless experiences with automatic writing and the Ouija board resulted in such wild insanity that commitment to asylums was necessitated."[15]

In 1944, occultist Manly P. Hall, the founder of the Philosophical Research Society and an early authority on the occult in the 20th century, stated in Horizon magazine that, "during the last 20-25 years I have had considerable personal experience with persons who have complicated their lives through dabbling with the Ouija board. Out of every hundred such cases, at least 95 are worse off for the experience." He went on to say that, "I know of broken homes, estranged families, and even suicides that can be traced directly to this source."[16]

The former medical director of the State Insane Asylum of New Jersey, Dr. Curry, stated that the Ouija board was a "dangerous factor" in unbalancing the mind and believed that if their popularity persisted insane asylums would be filled with people who used them.[17]

Decades later, in 1965, parapsychologist Martin Ebon in his book Satan Trap: Dangers of the Occult, states that "it all may start harmlessly enough, perhaps with a Ouija board," which will, "bring startling information... establishing credibility or identifying itself as someone who is dead. It is common that people... as having been 'chosen' for a special task." He continues, "Quite often the Ouija turns vulgar, abusive or threatening. It grows demanding and hostile, and sitters may find themselves using the board compulsively, as if 'possessed' by a spirit, or hearing voices that control or command them."[18]

In her 1971 autobiography, the psychic Susy Smith said, "Warn people away from Ouija and automatic writing. I experienced many of the worst problems of such involvement. Had I been forewarned by reading that such efforts might cause one to run the risk of being mentally disturbed, I might have been more wary."[19] Only recently, well known psychic Sylvia Brown made her appearance on The Montel Williams Show stating that Ouija boards were dangerous. Additionally, the late Roman Catholic priest Malachi Martin believed talking boards are dangerous and claimed that by using these devices a person opens themselves to demonic oppression or possession, topics upon which Martin spoke and wrote extensively for many years.[20]

Crowley and modern occultism

Little is published regarding Aleister Crowley's advocacy of the ouija board. Yet, he had great admiration for the use of one and the Ouija board played a passing role in his magical workings.[21][22]

Jane Wolfe, who lived with Crowley at his infamous Abbey of Thelema, also used the Ouija board. She credits some of her greatest spiritual communications to use of this implement. Crowley also discussed the Ouija board with another of his students, and the most ardent of them, Frater Achad (Charles Stansfeld Jones): it is frequently mentioned in their unpublished letters.

in 1917 Achad experimented with the board as a means of summoning Angels, as opposed to Elementals. In one letter Crowley told Jones: "Your Ouija board experiment is rather fun. You see how very satisfactory it is, but I believe things improve greatly with practice. I think you should keep to one angel, and make the magical preparations more elaborate."

Over the years, both became so fascinated by the board that they discussed marketing their own design. Their discourse culminated in a letter, dated February 21, 1919, in which Crowley tells Jones, "Re: Ouija Board. I offer you the basis of ten percent of my net profit. You are, if you accept this, responsible for the legal protection of the ideas, and the marketing of the copyright designs. I trust that this may be satisfactory to you. I hope to let you have the material in the course of a week." In March, Crowley wrote to Achad to inform him, "I'll think up another name for Ouija." But their business venture never came to fruition and Crowley's new design, along with his name for the board, has not survived.

Crowley has stated, of the Ouija Board that, "There is, however, a good way of using this instrument to get what you want, and that is to perform the whole operation in a consecrated circle, so that undesirable aliens cannot interfere with it. You should then employ the proper magical invocation in order to get into your circle just the one spirit you want. It is comparatively easy to do this. A few simple instructions are all that is necessary, and I shall be pleased to give these, free of charge, to any one who cares to apply."[21]


I am thinking of purchasing a talking board and messing around with it. I am hoping the board, the RI board, might have some thoughts...

- Stories?

- recommended designs?

- Dire warnings?
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Postby Zap » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:38 am

Critics warn that "evil demons" pretend to be cooperative ghosts in order to trick players into becoming spiritually possessed.


Yeah, I'd say that the RI board is possessed and in dire need of an exorcist.
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Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:45 am

Sigh...


- Stories?

- recommended designs?

- Dire warnings?



I'll ask the mods to lock this thread if it goes down the troll road.
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Postby stefano » Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:27 am

No stories from me - quite a cool story I just read here, while looking it up:

In 1917 writer Emily G. Hutchings believed she had communicated with and written a book dictated by Mark Twain from her Ouija board. Twain's living descendants went to court to halt publication of the book that was later determined to be so poorly written that it could not have been written by Twain dead or alive.
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Postby elfismiles » Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:09 am

Used one a few times around 4th grade... details later.
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Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:54 am

I have a vague memory of messing with one that a friend had when I was maybe 10-ish and nothing bad happened. Haven't touched one since. However, I believe it is a form of self-hypnosis and that what is contacted is the subconscious. If so, then doing so in a group setting might be quite interesting and have some novel after effects that might be difficult to control.
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Postby nathan28 » Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:09 am

Crowley isn't alone in his criticism; I can name at least one hougan who has said as much. The last paragraph in Crowley is important, and I'd say applies to things like automatic drawing, etc., as well, IME.
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Postby barracuda » Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:24 am

I would tend to advise against it. There are really only two options available to you here: the effect is a direct result of you and your fellows pulling the panchette around the board yourselves, in which case you are simply playing a game; or the board is a means toward the opening of communication with a guide not of this corporeal world, in which case you have let into your life a most unpredi ctable and possibly malignant force.

I have only one real anecdote regarding these items. I have a dear friend who ran a second-hand store here in Niles, and he had picked up a Ouija board at a garage sale with a load of other stuff. It was your standard Parker Bros. model, a 1966 trademark, meaning it was from the first round of printings after Parker aquired the patent rights. Anyway, my friend sold the board to some local folks who used it for the typical questioning play, but found to their dismay that the spirit guide inhabiting the board was malevolent, and refused to return to the aether from whence it had emanated, and began tormenting the family through bad dreams and poltergeist activity until they actually had to leave their house and move.

Now admittedly this is somewhat second-hand accounting - I wasn't a member of the family, merely an interested third party - but the intensity of the individuals was real, and my friend's shop had a way of attracting bad and greedy things filled with energies of people who had been either forced to sell, or had died. The place was like a battery for bad mojo.

So if you're gonna get one, make your own. if you're gonna buy one, buy it new. I recommend trying automatic writing first.
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Postby IanEye » Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:28 am

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Postby n0x23 » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:05 am

I've tried to get those damn things to work for years and nothing.

I have a small collection of antique boards and one of the newer glow in the dark boards, I like the look of boards, but especially the magical, mystical stigma and the despondency that people express when talking about the Ouija.

There for awhile I had some Ouija board business cards made-up with the letters spelling out my name and the numbers as my phone number, there were several times customers refused, refused to take the card, I even had one customer, drop the card after she realized what it was, she then threw her money at me and took off in a frantic gallop out of the shop. :shock:

I've tried with another person and after their giggle factor and the whole, "you're moving it...no I'm not, yes you are, you're moving it...no, I'm not", subsides, it does move, but, I suspect it's nothing more than involuntary muscle oscillations.

I've tried everything, during the day....nothing, at night with incense, moody lighting, meditating before-hand, looped mp3s of Crowley's Enochian chants playing in the background and still...nothing.

I wish I had a good story, but ultimately, it's just press-board and a piece of plastic. :?
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Postby Elvis » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:13 am

I've never heard anything about using Ouija boards that came to any good, and plenty of accounts of bad things happening. For what it's worth, I recommend against going near them.

I tried a Ouija board once a few years ago with a good friend, who'd used one many times, and nothing happened on that occasion. But the friend says (and I believe him) that when he and three others were playing with one, it very quickly and forcefully spelled out messages claiming to come from "Satan."

Whether or not "Satan" was the actual source of the communication---or whether or not the messages were truly "communications"---who can say, but the whole episode was very creepy. Yet my friend continued to occasionally try it; I guess he wasn't worried, but, from all the stories I've heard since I tried it that one time, I wouldn't take the chance again.
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Postby n0x23 » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:26 am

I would tend to advise against it.


Also, never let a black cat cross your path, if you spill some salt always toss a pinch over your shoulder, never stare into a mirror and chant Bloody Mary and never and I mean never say Betelgeuse Betelgeuse Betelgu....er....um....three times!


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Postby Sweejak » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:37 am

Teenage girls suffer fainting fits after playing ouija online

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Postby barracuda » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:40 am

n0x23 wrote:Also, never let a black cat cross your path, if you spill some salt always toss a pinch over your shoulder, never stare into a mirror and chant Bloody Mary and never and I mean never say Betelgeuse Betelgeuse Betelgu....er....um....three times!


Pshaw, I don't believe in any of that crap.
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Postby n0x23 » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:41 am

Nah, I don't believe in any of that crap.


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