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Anna - unclear?

Postby Morgan » Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:24 am

HI Anna,<br><br>Thanks for the fabulous response. I feel like I know you!<br><br>Unfortunately, I still don't understand the original post - what are your referring to when you comment about those who have less than a hundred bucks to stretch, etc. not being concerned enough to do something about the missing 2 billion? The quote from the old United Negro College Fund about 'the mind is a terrible thing to waste' confused me, too.<br><br>(Sorry, it's early and I'm trying to get ready for work, so I don't have the exact quote from your post).<br><br>See, I don't know you well enough to 'get' when you're being sarcastic, or whatever. I don't have enough time to read all the posts here, and don't 'know' many of the posters. Of course, I've seen you post on Jeff's blog, and never had a quibble before. This one blew me away, tho. I still don't know who are talking about, unless you are being facetious.<br><br>I'll write more later - I'm rushing now and want to re-read what you wrote when I have more time to digest it.<br><br>Best wishes,<br>Morgan <p></p><i></i>
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Clearer now - Anna

Postby Morgan » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:08 pm

Okay. Sorry about the dingbat moment this morning (RE: "I still don't know who you're referring to.") I was exhausted when I woke up, and stayed that way most of the morning, even after drinking two large cups of coffee. Sigh.<br><br>Anna, I get that you don't want to excuse Joe/Jane Workingman from his/her obligation to pay attention to the news and to get involved in the affairs of the country. I don't think anyone should be excused from this, either. It's all in the way you perceive the circumstances of Joe/Jane W's, I guess.<br><br>Some people in America are literally so poor they cannot think about problems beyond their own survival. This is a classic example of Maslow's Pyramid. If they're always worrying about survival, they cannot move up to a point where other people problems - anything beyond food, and basic needs - are of interest. It's just the way it is.<br><br>I'm going to return to the problem of information-poverty, because that is the main thing, to me. The poor and the working poor are also information poor. They lack both the technological access to alternative sources of information and the education to decode the information that is out there. By comparison, those of us who have technological access, along with the ability to decode the deeper messages of an article like the 2 billion lost to Iraq, are information rich. The difference between us is access and education.<br><br>Indeed, one reason poverty is so useful as a tool of social control is because it keeps people stupid. They are, simply, too exhausted or stressed out to consider a higher education. Particularly if their peer groups do not value it. The by-product is illiteracy - and technological illiteracy only compounds and the problem.<br><br>We've all deplored the problem of the MSM's lack of attention to the truth. If the average Joe/Jane isn't introduced to the alternative version of reality they're used to hearing, things that we discuss in forums like this, for instance, they will not 'get' what the big deal is, like your grocery boy example. The result is that you will continue to have an uninformed populace easily persuaded by the lies of BushCo. <br><br>The only way to change people, and to make it stick, is to educate - for the long term. This takes time and patience and we all need to get out there and do the hard work to change people's hearts and minds. The best approach is to speak to them in a language they understand, and to appeal to values we all share. Also, I've learned that you get a lot farther with people if you ask them questions and listen to them. I always try to hear what folks are most concerned with, like gas prices, or the cost of prescriptions. Once I know that, then I help them link their personal fears/concerns to the social and political issues they need to pay attention to.<br><br>BTW: I don't think your construction workers types are all that poor - they make good money compared to those working service based jobs. Also, white, working-class males in construction jobs have issues with how masculinity is perceived and expressed. These men are more likely to identify with Bush's John Wayne style machismo than any other group. They don't care about his policies. They care about his being a tough guy. He makes them feel powerful and they have come to need it.<br><br>Speaking of which, America has returned to the 1950s, and then some! Cultural regression is a phenomenon I think is worth considering as another reason why so many people want to maintain the status quo. It's more about conformity than it is about believing their ship will come in. (imho)<br><br>I hope this clears up my end of things. I think we're pretty much on the same page, just looking through different lenses.<br><br>Best,<br>Morgan <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Clearer now - Anna

Postby AnnaLivia » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:46 pm

i, too, am sure we're very much on the same page, Morgan. it's great to find others concentrating on labor issues!!<br><br>please pardon me for not getting back to this thread yet...i'm closely watching developments on the gulf coast again (and of all the strange luck, fixing a plumbing problem!), and just can't juggle this ball today. we'll talk more on THIS very important subject in the near future, ok?<br><br>did i mention how great it is to find others working on labor issues, dear?<br><br>we're gonna have half a million job losses after these storms...two of the nastiest words i know: job loss. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Clearer now - Anna

Postby Morgan » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:26 pm

"did i mention how great it is to find others working on labor issues, dear?"<br><br>I feel the same way! It is critical. The Universe is moving people of like mind together.<br><br>Definitely, let's pick it up. Perhaps we should (when we both get time) start another thread?<br><br>Meanwhile, I'm sifting through 100s of emails my Anthro- L list. There is a bitter debate raging between a diehard neocon and everyone else on the list about Bush's suspension of Davis-Bacon. (Interesting - I just read that William Greider - The Nation - thinks the GOPS might launch a 'New Deal', 21st c. style. Huh.)<br><br>Thankfully, I'm off work this weekend and can spend time catching up on reading/posting. <br><br>I'm also watching Rita (who's not lovely and is surely not a meter maid, tho' she's gonna cost humankind a lot.)<br><br>Good luck with plumbing stuff! <p></p><i></i>
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