desertfae?

[Jeff]

For me, that response raises some uncomfortable questions about how Rachel was treated.

The answer to my question about if Danny Casolaro asked for your help...

Sorry, Danny, you have not provided enough unambiguous identification of yourself. You do not pass our smell test - I'm sorry, no, we will not provide you information on what *would* be required to pass it. However, thanks for your application for RI assistance, we are always glad to help!

This is a discussion board, not the Justice League.

I think, given how unfairly she treated her own subject, she was treated fairly here.

[Percival]

For me, that response raises some uncomfortable questions about how Rachel was treated.

The answer to my question about if Danny Casolaro asked for your help...

Sorry, Danny, you have not provided enough unambiguous identification of yourself. You do not pass our smell test - I'm sorry, no, we will not provide you information on what *would* be required to pass it. However, thanks for your application for RI assistance, we are always glad to help!

Discussion forums are tough places to earn people's trust and that is probably for the better.

Also, she is the one who tagged her videos as ARGs and that was clearly a big mistake, especially to those of us here at RI who have been mindfucked by those playing ARGs in the past.

Like I said, if she wants to hang around here and be part of the community I am certain she would be well recieved in due time. But the way she came in and expected everyone to simply believe everything she had to say and played the victim when we didnt, that just doesnt work well in this medium and that has nothing to do with RI in particular, it is that way on any discussion forum. These places are not for the thin-skinned.

[OP ED]

For me, that response raises some uncomfortable questions about how Rachel was treated.

The answer to my question about if Danny Casolaro asked for your help...

Sorry, Danny, you have not provided enough unambiguous identification of yourself. You do not pass our smell test - I'm sorry, no, we will not provide you information on what *would* be required to pass it. However, thanks for your application for RI assistance, we are always glad to help!

This is a discussion board, not the Justice League.

I think, given how unfairly she treated her own subject, she was treated fairly here.

but if it WAS the justice league, which one are you Jeff?

i'm not looking to argue the fairness of her past treatment, although my rereading of that thread makes me lean towards thinking we may've been a slight bit unfair.

indeed, i am/was as skeptical as anyone. I'm sure you might remember i told you i agreed with the original locking of the thread, as i had very bad feelings about the whole thing and the "meet in person" direction it was taking. In retrospect, i am now unsure about that. could it be that my bad feelings were because it is real, and not the opposite as i had supposed?

i dunno. but i'm willing to entertain that position. i merely objected to the flat statement of disinformation as made by AD earlier, which, to his credit, he removed the flatly stated part of.

[American Dream]

This is from a recent communication to me:

Virginia McCullough wrote:

The confession by Jimmy Hughes was first published July 6, 2003 at this site. The first time I heard about Desert Fae was when a reader sent me an email from Anita Langley (Michael Riconosciuto's spokeswoman and alleged cousin by marriage). Langley's email was dated sometime in the fall of 2007 and ended by saying DesertFae is on the hunt or something to that effect. My outlook express file on DesertFae indicates that she posted her alleged birth certificate on or about November 28, 2007 and then immediately took it down when I commented to Langley that it looked like a cut and paste job using the information contained on Ralph Boger's death certificate. I have not seen her "birth certificate" posted since that time. In any case, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that Hughes' confession was up on the net a good 4 years before DesertFae surfaced on the net.

As far as the DesertFae thread on Rigorous Intuition....it has always been my belief that "pissing matches" between posters or authors and readers are a waste of energy and no one really wins. Riverside Detective John Powers tells me that he has seen DesertFae's birth certificate and he says she is who she says she is, but I have asked him to send me the certified birth certificate and he has declined. I still have enough conspiracy blood left in me that I can see a potential scenario whereby DesertFae is a well paid informant and/or puppet used by law enforcement and/or the Riconosciuto camp and put forth to act as a sponge obtaining information and reporting back to someone or some agency.

This email is addressing the issue posted of the top of page 4 of the DesertFae discussion forum on RI.

chiggerbit wrote:

she named the guy they just arrested, back in last Feb. And interviewed him, or ay least a guy who looks just like him..

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Hasn't his admission to the crime been out there for years, if not decades?

One has to remember that the Cabazon Nation has always been an ARG controlled by the marriage of the mob and our government's three letter agencies.....For the truth is that the Cabazon Nation has been under the control of the Nichols family from 1978 until Mark Nichols was canned sometime after his conviction for money laundering to various politicians.........See press release under separate email..........V.

[Searcher08]

For me, that response raises some uncomfortable questions about how Rachel was treated.

The answer to my question about if Danny Casolaro asked for your help...

Sorry, Danny, you have not provided enough unambiguous identification of yourself. You do not pass our smell test - I'm sorry, no, we will not provide you information on what *would* be required to pass it. However, thanks for your application for RI assistance, we are always glad to help!

This is a discussion board, not the Justice League.

I think, given how unfairly she treated her own subject, she was treated fairly here.

This place is way more than a discussion board, it is one of very few places where there is intelligent left-leaning with a hint of libertarian research analysis and thinking willing to face the issues that deep politics brings with it.

How did she treat her subject unfairly, Jeff?
When your Dad has been executed, maintaining any form of objectivity about the story is surely impossible.

[Percival]

For me, that response raises some uncomfortable questions about how Rachel was treated.

The answer to my question about if Danny Casolaro asked for your help...

Sorry, Danny, you have not provided enough unambiguous identification of yourself. You do not pass our smell test - I'm sorry, no, we will not provide you information on what *would* be required to pass it. However, thanks for your application for RI assistance, we are always glad to help!

This is a discussion board, not the Justice League.

I think, given how unfairly she treated her own subject, she was treated fairly here.

This place is way more than a discussion board, it is one of very few places where there is intelligent left-leaning with a hint of libertarian research analysis and thinking willing to face the issues that deep politics brings with it.

How did she treat her subject unfairly, Jeff?
When your Dad has been executed, maintaining any form of objectivity about the story is surely impossible.

My assumptrion is that Jeff meant she treated it unfairly by first labeling her videos as ARGs. But I cant speak for him, thats what I got out of his statement though.

[Percival]

This is from a recent communication to me:

Virginia McCullough wrote:

The confession by Jimmy Hughes was first published July 6, 2003 at this site. The first time I heard about Desert Fae was when a reader sent me an email from Anita Langley (Michael Riconosciuto's spokeswoman and alleged cousin by marriage). Langley's email was dated sometime in the fall of 2007 and ended by saying DesertFae is on the hunt or something to that effect. My outlook express file on DesertFae indicates that she posted her alleged birth certificate on or about November 28, 2007 and then immediately took it down when I commented to Langley that it looked like a cut and paste job using the information contained on Ralph Boger's death certificate. I have not seen her "birth certificate" posted since that time. In any case, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that Hughes' confession was up on the net a good 4 years before DesertFae surfaced on the net.

As far as the DesertFae thread on Rigorous Intuition....it has always been my belief that "pissing matches" between posters or authors and readers are a waste of energy and no one really wins. Riverside Detective John Powers tells me that he has seen DesertFae's birth certificate and he says she is who she says she is, but I have asked him to send me the certified birth certificate and he has declined. I still have enough conspiracy blood left in me that I can see a potential scenario whereby DesertFae is a well paid informant and/or puppet used by law enforcement and/or the Riconosciuto camp and put forth to act as a sponge obtaining information and reporting back to someone or some agency.

This email is addressing the issue posted of the top of page 4 of the DesertFae discussion forum on RI.

chiggerbit wrote:

she named the guy they just arrested, back in last Feb. And interviewed him, or ay least a guy who looks just like him..

.


Hasn't his admission to the crime been out there for years, if not decades?

One has to remember that the Cabazon Nation has always been an ARG controlled by the marriage of the mob and our government's three letter agencies.....For the truth is that the Cabazon Nation has been under the control of the Nichols family from 1978 until Mark Nichols was canned sometime after his conviction for money laundering to various politicians.........See press release under separate email..........V.

Virginia McCullough wrote:

I do not believe that desertfae is a "victim" and she has not posted any information that she is who she claims to be. The best evidence of this belief is her removal of her so-called birth certificate from the web. I want to add here that desertfae had absoutely NO influence on the re-opening of the cold case file on the Alvarez slayings. However she is attacking people who are putting their lives in danger trying to solve this triple homicide. What she is doing is particpating as an actress in an Alternate Reality Game. She is a low stage puppet reporting to the puppet master and two or three of his minions.

Well I am disapointed in VM, her previous statement was not phrased as an opinion, she in fact told us that desertfea was an actress in an ARG, now she is backpeddling. Shame on you VM, you are losing credibility over this.

[Jeff]

but if it WAS the justice league, which one are you Jeff?

Easy: Snapper Carr. (Silver Age Snapper Carr.)

i'm not looking to argue the fairness of her past treatment, although my rereading of that thread makes me lean towards thinking we may've been a slight bit unfair

I don't think she treated the board fairly - or her own story - by adding the gloss of ARG to her storytelling and expecting us to rally around her.

[Percival]

but if it WAS the justice league, which one are you Jeff?

Easy: Snapper Carr. (Silver Age Snapper Carr.)

i'm not looking to argue the fairness of her past treatment, although my rereading of that thread makes me lean towards thinking we may've been a slight bit unfair

I don't think she treated the board fairly - or her own story - by adding the gloss of ARG to her storytelling and expecting us to rally around her.

This.

[OP ED]

so now VM is saying that the police making the arrest are in on it?

or what?

i don't understand her contentions wrt rachel. sounds like slimy insinuations, backhanded smears and agent baiting to me.
(and i know the sound by heart)

= loss of credibility.

pissing matches indeed.

...

Easy: Snapper Carr. (Silver Age Snapper Carr.)

good call.

post-crisis Snapper is a weenie.

[Percival]

so now VM is saying that the police making the arrest are in on it?

or what?

i don't understand her contentions wrt rachel. sounds like slimy insinuations, backhanded smears and agent baiting to me.
(and i know the sound by heart)

= loss of credibility.

pissing matches indeed.

...

Easy: Snapper Carr. (Silver Age Snapper Carr.)

good call.

post-crisis Snapper is a weenie.

Yea VM talks about pissing matches being a waste of time yet it now seems thats exactly what her and desertfea had going on, no?

As far as some conspiracy involving desertfea and the police, well thats a reach and it sounds like someone is desperate and backpeddling IMO.

[compared2what?]

ALSO CROSS-POSTED ON THE DESERTFAE THREAD:

This may be a stupid question, and I apologize in advance if it is. Also....I'm not sure I understand what's at the root of the turf-war/pile-on part of the debate well enough to be sensitive to it. So AD: Please forgive me if I'm inadvertently fanning any flames by asking this. Because I really don't have any motivation for making the inquiry apart from the wish to know the answer. Because in all sincerity, by my own efforts, I've never been able to find enough information on the subject even to form a reasonable hypothesis. In short, please forgive me if I'm being ignorant, but please also believe that if there's some reason not to regard this question as an innocent one, I genuinely don't know what it is. Okay?

My probably stupid but not ill-intentioned question is:

Who is Virginia McCullough? Do you know what her background or credentials or affiliations are, or anything like that? I mean, obviously I can see for myself that according to her website, she's the curator of the Mae Brussell Archives. But when it comes to the basic information that a person in such a position usually supplies via the "About Us/Me" tab -- such as how and why she got the gig, what kind of work she did before getting it, what qualifications and/or credentials entitle her to hold it, and so on -- I've never been able to discover so much as Detail One. I have no idea who she is or where she came from. And I've always wondered. Who is she?

Thanks in advance for your tolerance of my not-knowingness, which I very much hope will not be irksome to you.

Ignorantly yours,

c2w

[American Dream]

I don't really know so much about this. I believe that Virginia was associated somehow with Mae Brussell when she was alive and I think she has been doing investigative journalism for quite a while. I know that she has extensive knowledge of the Iran-Contra affair.

Mostly what I know is NewsMakingNews.com and I know them to have published a lot of important, if not essential conspiracy related writings. That's basically all I know.

[Percival]

Cross posted from Casolaro thread:

Perhaps I am missing something, and I will admit I do miss a lot, but it seems to be that this whole VM vs desertfae pissing match, for lack of a better word, boils down to one simple thing: greed. It seems to me that this is all about someone wanting to get all the credit, glory attention and fame themselves for doing the work that will bring those responsible for the murders of Mr Boger, Mr Alvarez and Miss Castro, to justice.

I dont know which party is at fault and I am not about to point any fingers but it is obvious both VM and desertfae want the same thing and are both working towards the same objective, so what are we to think when we see them both at eachothers throats claiming one or the other to be doing more harm than good.

This is what really sucks about the internets, everyone wants the attention all to themselves, everyone wants to be the first one to break a story and get all the attention, fame and fortune for doing so. But lest we forget this isnt about desertfae nor is it about VM, it is about Mr Boger, Mr Alvarez and Miss Castro, they were silenced, they were killed for knowing things that some people didnt want them to know and that is what the case should be all about, it should be about EVERYONE WORKING TOGETHER to bring to the forefront of justice, those responsible for those murders.

So I think both VM and desertfae, since it is clear in this ARTICLE that desertfae is who she says she is, namely Mr Boger's daughter who is responsible for getting this cold case reopened, need to come together and work together and help eachother bring these criminals to justice, set aside your egos and lust for attention, fame and fortune and do the right thing out of respect for those who died trying to expose those who make this world the shitty place it is.

In fact I would like to see it happen right here on RI, since there is no better place on the internet that has a group of people more dedicated to the truth, so this is a call out to VM, desertfae and any other parties involved to come here and clear the air so that we can all move forward together in our quest for justice for those who died.

[American Dream]

Cross Posted on Casolaro Thread:

This just in from Virginia McCullough:

Wow! 14 pages of talking on this discussion board re "What would you do if Danny Casolaro asked for your help?" and only 2 pgs about Jimmy Hughes arrest for the Alvarez murders. This is disconcerting to me because it is obvious that there is far less interest on Jeff's site than I thought there would be re the Alvarez executions. However, I took the time this afternoon to read all of the 14 pages and I do have some comments.

Pg. 11 fascinated me because of the discussion between Penguin, Percival and Nathan 28 re the reality of the Promis software. Certainly Danny Casolaro became involved in "The Octopus" because of Bill and Nancy Hamilton and the Inslaw case. Behind the introduction of Danny to the Hamiltons was Jeffrey Steinberg of the LaRouche origanization. Therefore the reality of the fabled Promis software and whether or not it was/is truly "the Cadillac" of all software iwas at the core of his investigation, at least it was in its infancy. But like all good investigations, the center of the investigation changes with time and the information obtained. So it did with Danny. I know this because in the months before his murder I often talked to him three or four times a day, evidenced by both his and my phone records in my possession. So the discussion on page 11 clearly demonstrates that over time Inslaw was not everything that was being hyped so intensely in the media and promoted by Michael Riconosciuto in the later part of 1990 and throughout 1991. Most scientists in Silicon Valley the Cobol-based Promis software is old and slow...by today's standards it is a dinosaur. It was Michael Riconosciuto's allegations that turned Promis into the super software of legend. During the last several weeks of Danny's life his attention had clearly shifted to the gold transfers conveyed by various intelligence operatives as so well detailed by Unsolved Mysteries reporter Don Devereaux. The two Unsolved Mysteries programs covering Danny's killing and the misplaced hit intended for Don Devereaux following the Casolaro airing clearly demonstrates the danger in delving into government/mob secrets .

What I see now is the same manipulation of the Alvarez executions, several years after the fact, by the same brilliant individual Michael Riconosciuto. The story that Desert Fae is centering on and conveying to Nathan Baca and to law enforcement is the one promoted by Michael; i.e. the reason that Fred Alvarez was killed is because he was going to expose the Wackenhut/Cabazon Joint Venture and the arms manufacturing and sales that would be generated had that venture been successful. To be totally fair Desert Fae is also now saying that Robert Booth Nichols and his access to CIA funds might have been a motive for murder. In my opinion, based on my knowledge, documents and other books written about the Alvarez murders, there was a far greater, long term monetary incentive for the Alvarez executions. And that motive was control of land and the income it would bring to support our dirty little wars around the globe. I am currently working on a detailed article about this issue but it probably will not be post until next week. In any case, I have seen no proof, aside from Michael's allegations, that Promis was either developed and/or altered on the Cabazon reservation or that Dr. Gerald Bull's work product from Valleyfield ended up at the Cabazon Resevation, as also alleged by Michael.

As for Desert Fae, I can assure you that I know that she, law enforcement and Nathan Baca of KESQ-TV maintain a trilogy by communicating and attempting to control what is released. That is why the term "The Octopus Murders" is being used in unison when these individuals refer to what has historically been known as the Alvarez Executions. I also believe that Desert Fae has high hopes of being a key witness in the event that Jimmy Hughes is ever brought to trial. There is a long way between arrest, extradition, trial and conviction. I am not certain that I would want to rely on what I see available at the present time as evidence and witnesses in the event that Jimmy Hughes is quickly brought to trial. Justice is a brutal task master and it takes many twists and turns once it gets into a courtroom. It is my fervent belief that (1) Jimmy Hughes was involved in the killings, (2) that Jimmy Hughes was not the only shooter, (3) Jimmy Hughes will have very high priced and well versed attorneys, and (4) he will not be easily "turned" to rat on any one else. In spite of this exacting analysis, it is my hope that someone or several killers will eventually answer for the Alvarez executions.

At this point, I will simply let my writings and the documentation I offer be accepted or declined on its merits. My thought process in determining what I believe is true or false is my own based on my own knowledge and experience. As those who read my articles well know, I have been both right and wrong over the years. I suspect that this will continue to be the case because knowledge is an evolving process based on changing times.

virginia mccullough