Roman Polanski arrested in child sex case

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Postby lightningBugout » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:59 pm

Fair enough. But in the end this doesn't feel to me like much of a meaningful step towards raising awareness of sexual violence. Alternatively it feels alot like a major blow against celebrity culture which feels, in turn, like the increasingly downtrodden masses are being placated by going after a rich and famous person. Isn't there even a TV show called "celebrity justice?"
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Postby OP ED » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:09 pm

celebrity culture could use a few major blows, IMO.
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Postby norton ash » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:15 pm

Great artist, terribly screwed-up and sociopathic man.

I don't really care if he dies in prison or not. It's all just fucking sad, and LA is just such a rotten place on every level, and I now tend to hate any "news" that emerges from that poxy swamp. The cops, the courts, the blocks of cameras... no.

Prisons couldn't hold all the wealthy rapists and murderers in LA anyway, so how can I care what happens to Polanski?

JUSTICE is a beautiful God-like thing... and a dangerous, impracticable, half-baked concept here on planet stupid. It does strange things to our sentimental and bloodthirsty hearts.
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Postby Maddy » Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:46 am

Good art doesn't make up for the repercussions of sexual abuse. (Frankly I don't think he's such a great artist either.) But what does this say about our society in general and its impression of sexual abuse (towards anyone), and the American justice system, to simply allow such a public figure such leeway due to his artistic abilities and fame? What does it say that this should even be a question to be argued? Oh, so we should probably not worry about the myriad other child molesters. Or perhaps just not the famous ones. Perhaps not religious leaders as well! They should have lots of leaway due to their connections to G*d.Inc. And of course politicians! Or should it only be artists who are allowed to run rampant due to their artistic gifts to society? Please let me know when you decide who should be allowed to molest our children (or anyone) freely, or run off from trials and hide because they may get their little feelers hurt for doing what they admittedly did wrong.

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Postby Nordic » Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:52 am

lightningBugout wrote:In light of that book it is an utter mindfuck to see all of these well-meaning crusaders against sexual violence supporting federal extradition. Granted it is coming from the Left and from feminists and progressives but it really feels like a festival of bloodlust that is only tenuously attached to the reality of the circumstances.


Thanks for finally hitting on what's bothersome about this for me, too. I coudn't quite put my finger on it, but yes.

I think what he did was a horrible crime, yet at the same time, to see him snatched by the ever-growing tentacles of the American Police State really bothers me.

Especially considering the fact that many people who are far more powerful and far more public than Polanski have committed countless crimes against humanity in the last few years and they seem to be above the law no matter where they travel.

And the gangsters are still running free on Wall Street.
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Postby nomo » Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:46 pm

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articl ... man_p.html

What if Polanski were an abusive priest?

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There's quite a conversation going on in the religion blogosphere about the contrast between the case of Roman Polanksi (famed filmmaker, accused of raping 13-year-old girl decades ago, on the lam, and now, after finally being arrested in Switzerland, winning public support from fellow entertainers and European public officials) and that of multiple priests (not famous, accused of abusing minors decades ago, etc.).

The Rev. Thomas J. Reese, a senior fellow at Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University, was first out of the box, posting an item headlined, "Father Polanski Would Go to Jail,'' at On Faith. An excerpt:

    Polanski's defenders, including a 2008 HBO documentary, argue that he should not be punished. They say that the girl was willing and sexually experienced and she has forgiven him (after receiving a settlement). They even cite his tragic childhood and life as an excuse. And besides, it is ancient history. Such arguments from pedophile priests would be laughed out of court and lambasted by everyone, and rightly so. It makes no difference that the girl is willing and sexually experienced, it is a crime. It is the role of the court, not the victim, to decide who goes to jail and for how long.

    It is not as if Polanski is the only Hollywood celebrity to be accused of child abuse. Woody Allen and Michael Jackson come to mind. I am sure that with a little research the media could come up with quite a list. The Catholic Church has rightly been put under a microscope when 4 percent of its priests were involved in abuse, but what about the film industry?

    The world has truly changed. Entertainment is the new religion with sex, violence and money the new Trinity. The directors and stars are worshiped and quickly forgiven for any infraction as long as the PR agent is a skilled as a saintly confessor. Entertainment, not religion, is the new opiate of the people and we don't want our supply disturbed.

    Is there a double standard here? You bet.

Next up was the Rev. James Martin, associate editor of America magazine, writing, "If he were in a collar there would be no boo-hooing about his recent plight. There would be zero pity for him." An excerpt from his post, which was titled, "If Polanski Were Wearing a Collar":

    Can you imagine a petition being circulated among actors, directors and producers in the United States to have a Catholic priest reinstated in his parish after he had abused a 13-year-old child? If you believe this about Polanski--that his good deeds offset his guilt and that enough time has passed--do you believe the same about pedophile priests?
Multiple others are chiming in as well. David Gibson, writing for Politics Daily, also asks, "Comparisons are by their nature invidious. But what if Roman Polanksi were wearing a Roman collar? Would "Monsignor Polanksi" receive the same considerations?" Peter Smith, a religion writer for the Louisville Courier-Journal, wonders, "Let's say Roman Polanski was a priest who, say, fled the country and for decades avoid serving a sentence for statutory rape. Well, the question is a bit obvious. Would anyone sympathize with the end of his longtime fugitive status for his statutory rape conviction? Wouldn't people be indignant if a Catholic organization honored him in exile?" Many other religion writers are asking the same, from USA Today's Cathy Lynn Grossman, to Reuters's Tom Heneghan. And Rod Dreher, blogging as BeliefNet's Crunchy Con, takes the argument even further, writing:

    In our culture, when it comes to sex, celebrities are beyond good and evil. At least Polanski isn't a orthodox Catholic or committed Evangelical of any sort. In his cultural milieu, that would be the unforgivable sin.
(Photo, by Sebastien Bozon/AFP, shows the "Free Polanski" sign on a man's shirt at the Zurich film festival on September 28, 2009.)
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Postby IanEye » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:05 pm

"Wouldn't people be indignant if a Catholic organization honored him in exile?"


Bernard Cardinal Law is currently the Archpriest of the Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore.
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Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:18 am

Rosemary's Baby is an allegory for childbirth.

Just saying.
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Postby Hairball » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:09 pm

Right, let me say that even if Polanski is the greatest artist in the world he deserves to languish in jail for a long time for statutory rape let alone drugging and buggering a child.

I can't see mention of it in the thread, but I read in my local tabloid rag today that Polanski is continuing to edit his latest movie from his prison cell. It's called 'The Ghost' and is about:

a British Prime minister accused of war crimes


I nearly choked on my lunch. There's my answer to "Why now?" right there with Tony gearing up to be the European President. Polanski's lucky he wasn't found in a field with slashed wrists, no sign of any blood and undigested painkillers in his stomach; the rest of humanity not so lucky.

On another note, I saw a documentary about the Polanski case a while ago. They interviewed one of the Los Angeles (can't rememeber, mebbe California?) prosecutors and, whilst chuckling heartily, he stated that they had chosen the only Mormon guy in the office to handle the case on the basis that he was the only one among them who hadn't had sex with an underage girl. He seemed to be of the opinion that it was no big deal and that the case was in some way malicious. Am I the only guy in the world who actively tries not to have sex with children?(ON EDIT: that sounds awful, what I mean is that when a girl under age of 17 comes on to me I turn her down :|) :(

ON EDIT: 15 seconds of a teaser, the PM played by Brosnan says "The one decision I made in ten years as Prime Minister that wasn't in the interests of the USA"

http://moviepromo.net/news/first-teaser-for-roman-polanskis-the-ghost.xhtml

Is it normal that such a production doesn't have an entry in imdb?
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Postby Sounder » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:55 pm

Thanks Hairball, it's always good to get more background.

I have never seen Polanskies work and have few positive impressions about Hollywood, but the church mice ought to shut up. Last time I checked Hollywood did not set their luminaries up as being holy, righteous and celibate representatives of God.
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Postby Avalon » Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:35 pm

stickdog99 wrote:Rosemary's Baby is an allegory for childbirth.

Just saying.


From my experience, shitting out a large watermelon is a better metaphor. :)

One thing Rosemary's Baby has done for me over the years is to make it really hard to control myself and keep from snarky responses when someone says innocently about a new baby, "He has his father's eyes."
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Postby Username » Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:11 am

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From Times Online

November 27, 2009

Sarkozy 'very effective' in securing Polanski release

David Charter in Brussels and Charles Bremner in Paris

Roman Polanski’s family yesterday praised the role played by Nicolas Sarkozy in securing the film director’s release on bail after two months in a Swiss prison.

The French President “has been very effective” behind the scenes, according to the film director’s sister-in-law Mathilde Seigner, as Mr Polanski prepared to move from a cell to house arrest in his luxury chalet in the exclusive Alpine village of Gstaad.

Ms Seigner refused to elaborate on the nature of Mr Sarkozy’s assistance but the President may have been influenced by his wife Carla Bruni’s own connections with the chic Parisian artisic set to which Mr Polanski, his actress wife Emmanuelle Seigner and her sister all belong.

The Swiss authorities said that Mr Polanski would be allowed out once the agreed bail of 4.5 million Swiss Francs had been received. They have ordered that he should not leave his chalet - for fear that the first-rate skier might slip over the nearby border via a mountain pass into his adopted French homeland and escape US justice a second time.

“I wouldn’t go so far as to say that it is thanks to the President that Roman has been freed, but he has been super,” Mathilde Seigner told Le Parisien newspaper. “The President has been very effective.”

Mr Sarkozy was criticised for speaking out in October following Mr Polanski’s arrest at Zurich airport on September 26. The director was held on a US warrant for having unlawful sex with a 13-year-old girl in 1977. He pleaded guilty in a plea bargain the following year but fled before being sentenced fearing a long stretch in prison.

“Pronouncing justice 32 years after the event, when the accused is 76 years old a good administration of justice,” Mr Sarkozy told Le Figaro newspaper last month, arguing that the director should be freed on humanitarian grounds.

Mr Polanski holds joint Polish and French citizenship and is regarded as a denizen of the Paris cultural scene where he lives with his wife and their two children. France does not extradite its citizens to the US.

At first French politicians including Bernard Kouchner, the Foreign Minister, and Frédéric Mitterrand, the Culture Minister, were outspoken in their outrage at the arrest but after a couple of weeks France’s public diplomacy fell silent. Clearly efforts were going on in the background all along and have now paid dividends.

Mr Polanski must turn in his passport and have a surveillance system installed at his chalet, where he will wear electronic tagging, the Swiss Federal Office of Justice said in a statement.

“He must not leave this house,” the ministry said. Should he violate the terms of release, the bail, raised against the director’s apartment in Paris, will be forfeited to the Swiss Government.

“He will be under house arrest and has also committed to wearing an electronic monitoring bracelet,” it added.

While the bracelet will help police to monitor if Mr Polanski is staying put at his chalet during his house arrest, experts said that if he fled, the set-up was not equipped with global positioning system and would therefore not help to track him down.

“The canton of Bern uses the first generation system ,” said Jonas Peter Weber, a professor at the University of Bern.

“We can only check if the person is at home. If the alarm goes off and no police is in the vicinity , the person will be able to flee,” he said.

The United States has formally asked Switzerland to extradite Mr Polanski and Swiss authorities have yet to say if they would accept the request. Mr Polanski’s US-based lawyers will try to have the case thrown out on December 10.

Two earlier requests to be released on bail were turned down by the criminal court and the Justice Ministry which said the risk of him fleeing the country was too high.
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Postby Maddy » Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:12 am

*Sigh*

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Re: Roman Polanski arrested in child sex case

Postby RocketMan » Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:13 am

Way cleared for Polanski to be extradited to the US for trial.

It's interesting how the media continue to step gingerly around the fact that Polanski admitted to incapacitating a child with drugs and then proceeding to fuck her in the ass... An act which the victim has convincingly described in an affidavit that is available for anyone to see.

I mean, wouldn't it be perfectly appropriate to drop the "allegedly"??
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