12 dead in Fort Hood shooting spree

[Sweejak]

I haven't finished but this contrasts wildly with media reports that he is advocating suicide bombers.

[smallprint]

Here's another tidbit:


According to @BreakingNews on Twitter (and a lot of other outlets) there was a second burst of gunfire reported TWO HOURS after the original news broke of the shootings.

What exactly was that?? Was Hasan hiding out in the clock tower for two fucking hours?

[Sweejak]

The writing on Scribd, if it is his... what can I say, it demeans suicide bombings on ethical and tactical basis.

This makes his actions all the more mysterious.

[Percival]

The writing on Scribd, if it is his... what can I say, it demeans suicide bombings on ethical and tactical basis.

This makes his actions all the more mysterious.

Indeed it does...


Also of note are reports of someone claiming Hasan gave away all his furniture today...

[Sweejak]

Percival, why do you think this writing is related to the shooter? Did he teach it or refer to it?

[barracuda]

This is reminding me of the Hasan Akbar case from March of 2003.

[Percival]

Nov 5, 11:16 PM EST


Troubling portrait emerges of Fort Hood suspect

By BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE
Associated Press Writer


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WASHINGTON (AP) -- His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.

There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive. But details of his life and mindset, emerging from official sources and personal acquaintances, are troubling.

For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time.

Grieger said privacy laws prevented him from going into details but noted that the problems had to do with Hasan's interactions with patients. He recalled Hasan as a "mostly very quiet" person who never spoke ill of the military or his country.

"He swore an oath of loyalty to the military," Grieger said. "I didn't hear anything contrary to those oaths."

But, more recently, federal agents grew suspicious.

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.

One of the officials said late Thursday that federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize the seizure of Hasan's computer.

Retired Army Col. Terry Lee, who said he worked with Hasan, told Fox News that Hasan had hoped President Barack Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Lee said Hasan got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars, and had tried hard to prevent his pending deployment.

Hasan attended prayers regularly when he lived outside Washington, often in his Army uniform, said Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md. He said Hasan was a lifelong Muslim.

"I got the impression that he was a committed soldier," Khan said. He spoke often with Hasan about Hasan's desire for a wife.

On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.

"I don't know why he listed Palestinian," Khan said, "He was not born in Palestine."

Nothing stood out about Hasan as radical or extremist, Khan said.

"We hardly ever got to discussing politics," Khan said. "Mostly we were discussing religious matters, nothing too controversial, nothing like an extremist."

Hasan earned his rank of major in April 2008, according to a July 2008 Army Times article.

He served eight years as an enlisted soldier. He also served in the ROTC as an undergraduate at Virginia Tech University in Blacksburg. He received a bachelor's degree in biochemistry there in 1997.

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[lightningBugout]

If that one posting can be convincingly described as "radical," we are much more fucked than I realized.

[Percival]

Typical response I am seeing on other forums:

Originally Posted by redmeli
This thread is moving so fast, had to stop reading at page 14. My thoughts, based on observations when I was in military many years ago, is that this event is not surprising, and likely planned retaliation against US. I noticed when I enlisted, a good number of comrades had changed their names from American names to Muslim/Islamic before entering the military. Always thought it strange, and until 9/11, could not figure out why they did that. My feeling now is that there has been an underground effort by these groups to enter our military with the intent of destroying from within, and, it has been going on for years. We should not be naive to the motives of those with Islamic names, or many seemingly innocuous persons, in our military. Our government should be looking very hard at them. Also, these people are cruising our college campuses, and enrolling as legitimate students, but on the ready to use violence to further their causes. Many also run "legitimate" businesses here in the US. I hate conspiracy theories, and usually ignore "conspiracists", but I believe the enemy is here, and firmly entrenched among us.

[Sweejak]

Here's the writing in pdf for easier reading, for me anyway. I'm not sure how it relates exactly to the case but it's interesting reading anyway.

http://files.me.com/kaaawa/koju12

[Sweejak]

Typical response I am seeing on other forums:

Originally Posted by redmeli
This thread is moving so fast, had to stop reading at page 14. My thoughts, based on observations when I was in military many years ago, is that this event is not surprising, and likely planned retaliation against US. I noticed when I enlisted, a good number of comrades had changed their names from American names to Muslim/Islamic before entering the military. Always thought it strange, and until 9/11, could not figure out why they did that. My feeling now is that there has been an underground effort by these groups to enter our military with the intent of destroying from within, and, it has been going on for years. We should not be naive to the motives of those with Islamic names, or many seemingly innocuous persons, in our military. Our government should be looking very hard at them. Also, these people are cruising our college campuses, and enrolling as legitimate students, but on the ready to use violence to further their causes. Many also run "legitimate" businesses here in the US. I hate conspiracy theories, and usually ignore "conspiracists", but I believe the enemy is here, and firmly entrenched among us.

Oh my god, this ranks up there with Iranian frogmen coming to get us.

[smallprint]

Gawker's original post on the shootings inadvertently reads like a record of the changes in the Official Story:

http://gawker.com/5398078/mass-shooting ... at-ft-hood


This part was interesting:

From KCEN-TV in Waco, Texas:

Police surrounded the 42006 building, said to be used for traumatic brain injuries, on Fort Hood and fired shots at a male suspect in an Army uniform with a Major rank. The suspect was injured, but has now run in to another building.

Reports say the shooter had a high-powered rifle and was aiming to kill.

Oh, now he's got a 'high-powered rifle', not two handguns!! Whoopsie!


Oh, and:

Fox is reporting that the shooters attacked three separate locations on the post at the same time. According to the Austin-American Statesman, the shooting started at 1:30 p.m.—one gunman was at a "personnel and medical processing center" and another shooter was at a theater.

I guess that was all a fantasy or something!

[ninakat]

So the guy grew up in Navy hotbed Roanoke and went to Virginia Tech and works as a military psychiatrist. And he snaps and goes on a shooting rampage. Uh huh.

To add to that, it would appear from my own research that many of the MC programs in the late 1970s and early 1980s (when he would've been exposed to them) had been transferred to the Navy.

Quick send me a picture of a cat wrapped in tinfoil. For shame.....

Yes and this all happens a week before some very unpopular large scale deployments to the middle east take place, deployments which he was supposed to be a part of, I am now seeing people who were against those deployments cheering them on because its time for us to fight back now you see.

Yes. The timing of this is just WAY too convenient.

And there are just way too many other conflicting accounts -- it all adds up to an inside job, patsy situation. Great stuff in this thread -- thanks to all.

[lightningBugout]

It is just bizarre to watch how these things unfold.

Except in the weirdest little outposts, like here, it is taken for granted instantaneously that 1) he is guilty, 2) that the story being reported is factual, 3) that he is a radical muslim, etc.

There's not even a fucking pause. Incredible.

[barracuda]

I don't know, ninakat, this thread reminds me of the early hours after the 911 attacks: rumors masquerading as reportage; conjecture in every direction; and the few salient facts available wind up floating in a sea of trivialities from which they'll eventually be impossible to extricate, even years later.