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Oxford 'guru' accused of torturing French aristocrats

Postby American Dream » Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:31 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... crats.html

Oxford 'guru' accused of torturing French aristocrats

Thierry Tilly, an Oxford-based Frenchman, has been arrested over allegations that he kidnapped, tortured and brainwashed several generations of an aristocratic family into giving up their fortune.


By Aislinn Laing, Murray Wardrop and Henry Samuel in Paris
Published: 6:00AM GMT 11 Nov 2009


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One former landlord, Frank Webster, claimed that Mr Tilly was "very clever and manipulative".


Thierry Tilly, 45, allegedly posed as a secret agent to convince the rich and highly educated De Védrines family that they were the lost descendants of an ancient society called L'Equilibre du Monde (The Balance of the World), and that he had "superhuman powers" to help them reclaim their illustrious past and its "limitless treasure".

Eleven members of the De Védrines family, headed by 88-year-old matriarch Guillemette, severed ties with relatives and friends and barricaded themselves in their chateau near Bordeaux for five years after meeting Mr Tilly in the late 90s. They went on to sold off three million euros (£2.7 million) worth of furniture, jewellery and properties including the family seat.

On Tuesday, his alleged victims played down the claims of abuse, saying Mr Tilly was simply a "good family friend".

Three years ago, the group moved to Oxford and lived various suburban homes, several of which they failed to pay rent on and were taken to the small claims courts.

One former landlord, Frank Webster, claimed that Mr Tilly was "very clever and manipulative". He said he showed him bank statements suggesting he had "considerable amounts of money" but he failed to pay rent and, in 2006, was declared insolvent.

Mr Tilly was arrested in Switzerland last month and extradited to Bordeaux where stands accused him of "fraud, abuse of weakness, extortion, kidnapping and acts of torture and barbarism".

It followed a complaint by Christine de Védrines, the wife of Guillemette's son Charles-Henri, who went to police in March alleging she had suffered violent abuse at the hands of her family and Mr Tilly because she could not provide the "key" to the family fortune they believed she possessed.

"They prevented her from sleeping, she lived in the dark for days, with only water to sustain her," a French police source alleged. "She kept the same clothes for weeks."

Charles-Henri's brother, Philippe, 71, a former oil company executive, also left in February 2008.

Jean Marchand, 62, has not seen his wife, Ghislaine de Védrines or his two adult children since September 2001, alleged Mr Tilly used brainwashing technbiques that were "extremely complicated".

"From 2000 onwards, my wife and two children all had identical language and behaviour – often vindictive – as if they were indoctrinated, under control, under permanent theat or drugged," he claimed. "They accused their entourage and former friends of belonging to pressure groups, sects or being mentally ill or guilty of the worst misdeeds."

Daniel Picotin, an anti-cult campaigner acting as a lawyer for Mr Marchand, said of Mr Tilly: "He ruined an entire family – three generations".

Charles Henri told The Daily Telegraph he had "nothing to say" about Mr Tilly's arrest or the allegations.

Ghislaine de Védrines said: "This is a family story, not something we want to talk about publicly. There have been many bad things written about our family which are not true."

Diane, the daughter of Charles Henri and Christine who now manages an Oxford ice cream parlour, added: "Thierry Tilly is a really good friend of my family and of mine."
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Postby cptmarginal » Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:45 pm

Wow. Thank you for calling attention to this!

For me, it raises many interesting questions about the societal norms and expectations among various groups of economically or strategically important people.
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Postby stefano » Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:06 am

cptmarginal wrote:the societal norms and expectations among various groups of economically or strategically important people.

I think aristocrats especially can't handle the fact that they were born lucky, and are easy prey for bullshitters who try and tell them that there's something special about them... What I find more puzzling, especially in France, is royalists who have no aristocratic background, common people who are convinced the Revolution was the worst thing that ever happened to France, and think some degenerate tit living on handouts is just the guy to run the country. So weird.
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:29 am

stefano wrote:What I find more puzzling, especially in France, is royalists who have no aristocratic background, common people who are convinced the Revolution was the worst thing that ever happened to France, and think some degenerate tit living on handouts is just the guy to run the country. So weird.


It's not that weird: it frees them from taking responsibility to empower themselves, to make informed, rational choices about who they want to lead them, and to hold their leaders accountable. In a monarchy, it's mainly about who has the superior genetic claim, and the people are duty-bound to love and be loyal to the Chosen One.

Moreover, we, or at least those of us who are imprinted from our earliest childhood with Euro-centric cultural artifacts like fairy-tales, are taught that royalty and aristocrats are innately superior beings, even when they're stripped of all their possessions or disguised, and denied their "rightful" place. Ref. "The Princess and the Pea", "Donkey-Skin" and even, more subtly, "The Frog Prince". French children's culture is heavily saturated with stories about royal and aristocratic heroes and heroines with whom children are encouraged to identify and root for.

Maybe their self-contempt prevents them from accepting that someone "ordinary" like them can be a leader.

People who feel powerless may also be tempted to secretly identify with these superior creatures of "class" and "refinement" for whom privilege and automatic respect are a birthright, rather than something to be aspired to, onto whom they project their fantasies and through whom they vicariously live.

Anyway, that's what popped up in my mind in response to your comment, stefano.
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:36 am

stefano wrote:What I find more puzzling, especially in France, is royalists who have no aristocratic background, common people who are convinced the Revolution was the worst thing that ever happened to France, and think some degenerate tit living on handouts is just the guy to run the country. So weird.


It's not that weird: it frees them from taking responsibility to empower themselves, to make informed, rational choices about who they want to lead them, and to hold their leaders accountable. In a monarchy, it's mainly about who has the superior genetic claim, and the people are duty-bound to love and be loyal to the Chosen One.

Moreover, we, or at least those of us who are imprinted from our earliest childhood with Euro-centric cultural artifacts like fairy-tales, are taught that royalty and aristocrats are innately superior beings, even when they're stripped of all their possessions or disguised, and denied their "rightful" place. Ref. "The Princess and the Pea", "Donkey-Skin" and even, more subtly, "The Frog Prince". French children's culture is heavily saturated with stories about royal and aristocratic heroes and heroines with whom children are encouraged to identify and root for.

Maybe their self-contempt prevents them from accepting that someone "ordinary" like them can be a leader. Idealized aristocrats and royalty are the ultimate "not-me".

Paradoxically, people who feel powerless may also be tempted to secretly identify with these superior creatures of "class" and "refinement" for whom privilege and automatic respect are a birthright, rather than something to be aspired to, onto whom they project their fantasies and through whom they vicariously live.

Anyway, that's what popped up in my mind in response to your comment, stefano.
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Postby compared2what? » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:38 am

I'm not finding a whole lot about the family, but it looks like they were Huguenots, in which case they might not have felt so very accepted as part of the French nobility. Or aristocracy. Despite their now-lost chateau and estate and vineyards and all that stuff. Which might have served as an entree to the bizarre and mysterious M. Tilly. Or might not have.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:24 am

Is this guy related to Bill Gates? The resemblance is striking.
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Postby yathrib » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:07 pm

When I saw the headline, I assumed it was Richard Dawkins and he was torturing them with his biting wit and relentless skepticism.
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Postby semper occultus » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:34 pm

he must have been taking tips from this guy :

'MI5 agent' conman jailed for life

guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 6 September 2005 12.10 BST


A conman who posed as an MI5 spy during a £1m "odyssey of deceit" was jailed for life today.
Robert Hendy-Freegard, a 34-year old semi-literate former car salesman nicknamed "The Puppetmaster", seduced and ruthlessly exploited his victims during a 10-year period, Blackfriars crown court heard.

The court, in London, was told he convinced some to go on the run from terrorists and swindled others out of huge sums of money.

Using a blend of "devious charm", claims that he was an MI5 agent and James Bond-type tales of shadowy IRA killers, he systematically shredded his victims' self-respect and turned most into virtual slaves.

At least seven of his victims were women, and he got engaged to many of them, the court was told.

They included a solicitor, a psychologist, a company director and a recently married PA, who left her husband for the swindler and ended up sleeping on park benches, living on a slice of Mars Bar a day and foraging for fresh water in public lavatories.

A student, one of two men to fall prey to Hendy-Freegard's Svengali-like powers of persuasion, handed over £300,000.

Because he thought he was being recruited to the fight against terrorism, he allowed himself to be beaten to toughen him up before abandoning his university finals for a three-year life on the run, fleeing from imaginary Republican gangs.

The court heard he and some of the other victims endured what seemed like a lifetime of poverty, carried out bizarre "missions" for Hendy-Freegard across Britain, and were left terrified by his explosive temper and claims that assassins were stalking their every move.

While they suffered, their tormentor - whose motto was "lies have to be big to be convincing" - used the cash he ordered them to beg and borrow to fund a luxury life of top of the range cars, designer suits, expensive meals and five-star holidays in Brazil and elsewhere.

Hendy-Freegard, of High Street, Blyth, Nottinghamshire, was convicted in June of 20 offences of theft, deception and "kidnapping by fraud" between 1993 and 2003.

Today, at least six of his victims, including lawyer Caroline Cowper - who once rated his bedroom techniques at "11 out of 10" - watched from the public gallery as Hendy-Freegard was jailed for life.

Judge Deva Pillay said the conman's victims had fallen prey to his "devious charm".

Hendy-Freegard lounged in one of the dock chairs and looked impassive as the judge told him: "In my judgment, the several verdicts of the jury in this case represent a vindication of your victims and a telling testament to their courage, tenacity and spirit to survive and overcome adversity, despite the depths of despair to which they were driven by you."

The judge said that after "considering very carefully" all the circumstances, he had no choice but to impose life sentences for the two kidnapping offences.

"It was plain to me as I listened to the evidence for many months that you are an egotistical and opinionated confidence trickster who has shown not a shred of remorse nor compassion for the degradation and suffering to which your victims were subjected," he added.

The jury heard that not only was he extremely successful at selling cars to well-heeled female customers, but he also secured quite a few dates.

At first, he seemed the perfect boyfriend - handsome, attentive and generous. However, the situation would then become strange. He would disappear for weeks and then start to drop hints that he was not just a car salesman and his real job was much more exciting.

He would eventually confide that he was, in fact, an MI5 spy being hunted by IRA killers.

His fantasies had serious and traumatic consequences. Over a 10-year period, he managed to convince his victims of his story in order to con them, and in some cases their parents, out of huge sums of money totalling £1m.

In 1993, when a part-time barman in a pub near Harper Adams agricultural college in Newport, Shropshire, he persuaded three students, Sarah Smith, Maria Hendy and John Atkinson, to go on the run with him, insisting they were also in danger from the IRA because of their association with him.

Ms Hendy spent eight years with him, giving birth to their two daughters as he forced her to live in a cramped flat in Sheffield.

He controlled her every move as he treated himself to expensive cars, a Rolex watch and handmade suits and shoes.

None of the women knew about his relationships with the others, and he would often use one woman's money to woo another with gifts and expensive dinners.

He juggled up to five of them at the same time, once keeping two women in a house together for a month but ensuring they didn't communicate by telling them they didn't speak the same language.

His rages were violent and unpredictable - he would stop on the motorway and threaten to throw a woman out of the car.

He promised his lovers he would marry them, but in the end all he left was huge holes in their bank accounts.

Many of the women he targeted were intelligent professionals. Caroline Cowper, a successful solicitor, sued him and reported him to police, but it was his involvement with American child psychologist Kim Adams that eventually led to his arrest.

Hendy-Freegard thought he had struck gold when he met Ms Adams in August 2002 and discovered her stepfather had won thousands of dollars on the lottery.

He told her parents he had recruited her as a spy and that they had to send thousands of dollars to pay for her training.

Ms Adams' mother flew to London, promising to hand over $10,000 (£5,400) to Hendy-Freegard on the condition that she could see her daughter. Police were waiting for him at Heathrow, and Ms Adams was found in a nearby car park.

"At first she just cried and refused to accept we were police officers," said PC Cathy Harrison, who interviewed all Hendy-Freegard's victims at length.

"Hendy-Freegard had told her that, because of his M15 role, people pretending to be police officers could swoop on the couple but they would be imposters and she should not cooperate with them.

When arrested, Hendy-Freegard had a Polish passport and had taken a recent holiday with Ms Adams in the French Alps. Police found letters and papers at a hotel there mentioning other victims.

After his conviction, police described him as "evil", and said he was in a class of his own.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/sep/06/ukcrime
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Postby American Dream » Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:18 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 24943.html

The guru with a gift for brainwashing
How did a self-styled master-spy persuade a French aristocrat family to give up their freedom and fortune and join his 'crusade against evil'?

By John Lichfield in Paris and Kevin Rawlinson
Saturday, 21 November 2009



Thierry Tilly looks like a geography teacher or a chartered accountant, or a French version of Bill Gates. He claims, variously, to be a Nato "master-spy", a confidant of presidents and prime ministers, a financial genius, a 21st-century representative of an ancient, secret order descended from the Knights Templar and a man with superhuman powers sworn to fight the forces of evil.

He is now in a French prison, refusing to answer questions on possible charges of kidnap, brutality and torture. Seven or eight of his followers, from three generations of a French aristocratic family, are living in Oxford, Tilly's base for the past nine years. One of them, formerly a gynaecologist, is working as a gardener. Others have jobs in fast-food restaurants. Until 2006, 11 members of the family had spent five years barricaded in their château at Monflanquin, 100 miles east of Bordeaux.

Their relatives say they remain under the spell of a lurid fantasy, which might have been torn from the pages of a Dan Brown thriller. They have been convinced by Tilly that their family – the De Védrines, part of the Protestant nobility of south-west France for 300 years – has been chosen to struggle against supreme evil by an ancient order called L'Equilibre du Monde (The Balance of the World). Lawyers and relatives say they refuse to accept that they have been duped and fleeced of the family fortune of up to €5m (£4.5m) by an unscrupulous, possibly deranged but mysteriously effective con-man.

Angry landlords in Oxford, owed tens of thousands of pounds by Tilly and his followers, say the De Védrines, aged from 96 to 24, are not necessarily all victims. Some members of the clan, they say, have become Tilly's willing accomplices.

Dotty sect or elaborate fraud? Either way, since the arrest of Thierry Tilly, 44, in Switzerland last month, relatives in France are desperately worried. They fear that the "Oxford Eight" (or perhaps seven) may be so deeply under Tilly's spell that they could fall victim to a mass suicide pact. They are angry that British authorities have refused to treat the Tilly affair seriously for more than eight months.

Jean Marchand, 62, a former financial journalist, has run an almost single-handed crusade against Tilly for eight years. The Oxford Eight include his former wife, Ghislaine de Vedrines, 55, and his two children, Guillemette, 32, and François, 30. In September 2001, they abruptly severed all ties with M. Marchand, whom they declared to be an "agent of evil". His daughter, Guillemette, then 24, abandoned her husband after only four months of marriage. Neither husband nor father has seen her since.

M. Marchand's wife and children barricaded themselves into the family mansion in France with Ghislaine's elderly mother, also called Guillemette. They were joined by Ghislaine's two highly educated and successful brothers, Philippe, then 56, and Charles- Henri, 53, Charles-Henri's wife Christine, 51, and their three children, Guillaume, 24, Amaury, 21 and Diane, 16. The transfer of the family to Oxford began in 2006.

"I still cannot explain Tilly's hold on my family. It is a kind of mental kidnapping," M. Marchand said. "He does not even have to be physically present to control them. Almost from the beginning, he has issued most of his orders by telephone or by email and they have always obeyed him."

For years, the French judicial authorities refused to intervene, despite a police investigation which showed that the family fortune, in cash, furniture, paintings, jewelry and property, was being systematically liquidated and transferred to accounts controlled by Tilly. In March this year, Charles-Henri's wife, Christine, fled the group in Oxford and returned to France.

She told French police she had been tortured, physically and mentally, beaten and kept for days in darkened rooms. The ill-treatment, she said, was supposed to dredge from deep in her unconscious the whereabouts of a lost treasure of the Knights Templar, the powerful, shadowy, medieval order of chivalry suppressed by the French monarchy in 1307.

The French authorities issued a European arrest warrant. But. despite several requests by a French investigating magistrate, the British judicial authorities refused to honour the warrant for technical reasons. Tilly was finally arrested aboard an aircraft at Zurich airport on 21 October and extradited to France.

"You might think, or hope, that, with Tilly under arrest, the spell would be broken and they would return, painfully, to reality," M. Marchand told The Independent in his Paris suburban home, still crowded with portraits of his lost family. "But no, it seems not. They are just as much under his spell as they were before.

"I keep thinking of the Temple du Soleil and Jim Jones' followers in Guyana [sects which entered mass suicide pacts in 1994 and 1978]. What kind of instructions has Tilly given them? Time may be short. The authorities in France have started to take this affair seriously but in Britain we are still being ignored."

A few days ago, M. Marchand and his lawyer, an expert criminal psychologist, and other helpers visited Oxford and tried to speak to his relatives, now living in guest-houses, expelled from large houses after they failed to pay rent. The attempt led to violent verbal clashes, photographed and filmed by French journalists. M. Marchand tried to accost his son, François, on the street, leading to another shouting match. Oxford police told M. Marchand there was nothing they could do.

"I love Britain. I have a great admiration for Britain," M. Mar-chand said. "But the attitude of the UK judicial system in this affair has been unhelpful and obstructive since the beginning. Tilly is a convicted fraudster, with other legal problems in Britain and France. He is being sued, many times over, by ex-landlords in Oxford. The French investigating magistrate has asked for the right simply to interview the members of the De Védrines family still in Oxford. He has been systematically refused."

M. Marchand is especially worried about his daughter, Guillemette, who has not been seen in public for months. In theory, she is still in Oxford but Mr Marchand fears she has been taken elsewhere; or that something worse may have happened to her.

Philippe de Védrines, a former oil executive, now 71, was the first family member to "escape" from Tilly, with his wife Brigitte, 61, in 2008. Much of the French police information on Tilly's methods and far-fetched claims comes from Philippe, now living in Normandy. He refuses to bring a legal action or talk to the press.

The second breakthrough came in March this year. Christine de Védrines, 59, the wife of the former gynaecologist, Charles-Henri, was persuaded to flee from Tilly by a Frenchman, living in Oxford, for whom she worked as a cook. Robert Pouget was born in Paris and educated in Britain. He came back to England after his French military service and started a business in Oxford selling fresh produce. Mr Pouget said: "After more than a year of working for me, we sat discussing things one night after hours and she just came out with all of it, the whole story.

"She had been incarcerated of her own volition with these people. They had told her she was the direct descendant of people who knew where treasure, handed down from generation to generation, had been hidden by the Knights Templar as a fund to help French aristocrats if they got into trouble: except, she couldn't remember where it was hidden or how to get it. She said she was taken from bank to bank in Brussels to try to find it but she just couldn't remember. I told her that was because she had never known. She was told a lie."

Mr Pouget arranged for Christine to call a cousin in France, who came to collect her within two days. "Christine was a very sweet, nice woman. She was good-natured and kind. When she came to work with normal people, little by little I think, the realisation dawned that it was all an illusion."

Andrew Scully, 48, also rues the day he ever met Thierry Tilly and the De Védrines. Since renting two houses in Cornwallis Road, Oxford, to Tilly and Guillaume, in 2006 he has been involved in 19 court cases, partly for non-payment of rent, partly counter-claims by the De Védrines.

He rejects the suggestion that the De Védrines are hapless victims. He believes they are "all in it", especially Guillaume, whom he describes as "Tilly's right-hand man". He adds: "They were almost imprisoned in a house that was boarded and shuttered. No one was allowed in or out. Tilly tried to tell me I was being watched and followed, that he had his own entourage of enforcers. I don't care what happens to any of them, after what they have put me through. They think they are a high-and-mighty, wealthy family but they are just money-grabbing."

Tilly, in prison in south-west France, is refusing to answer questions. But how was he able to commandeer the lives of three generations of a family, described by M. Marchand as "previously joyous, outward-going, successful people"?

The man was born in March 1964 in Bois-Colombes, west of Paris. He has a record of fraud convictions and failed companies in France. In 1999, he began to work for Mr Marchand's former wife, Ghislaine (née De Védrines), who ran a successful secretarial school in Paris. He was rapidly taken into Ghislaine's confidence and, through her, became friendly with her two brothers. M. Marchand said: "I asked her colleagues whether they thought that Tilly and my wife were having an affair. They said, 'No, we think it's far, far worse than that'."

Tilly even tried to recruit M. Marchand. He claimed to be, variously, a "Nato agent", a confidant of George Bush and to have limitless, mental powers. M. Marchand dismissed his claims as fantasy. He believes Tilly "brain-washed" the De Védrines by playing cleverly on their pride as members of a prominent, Protestant aristocratic family. He persuaded them that previous generations of the De Védrines had always been "called" to act for the forces of good against the forces of evil. He even invented a fictitious role as a wartime resistance hero for the elderly matriarch, Guillemette, but told her children never to discuss it with her.

Another technique used by Tilly, M. Marchand says, was to convince his wife and brothers-in-law that he could make them very rich, then persuaded them that they were in imminent, mortal danger from "evil forces" (including M. Marchand). If they pursued their normal lives, they would be killed instantly.

What were the De Védrines doing for all those years when they were locked in the family chateau, now sold? "Nothing. That is the tragedy," said M. Marchand. "My brother-in-law Philippe, told me that they were doing absolutely nothing. Most heartbreakingly of all, he says that my daughter Guillemette used to have moments of lucidity. She would say, 'The best years of my life are being thrown away'. All the same, she remained, somehow, under Tilly's spell."

The Independent tried to contact Charles-Henri de Védrines and one of his sons, who work for The Oxford Garden Company. The company said they declined to speak to the press "for the time being". But Charles-Henri did say: "The truth will come out eventually, then the world will see."
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Re: Oxford 'guru' accused of torturing French aristocrats

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:37 pm

Monflanquin affair: French 'guru' jailed for swindling family

A man who tricked a French noble family into fearing they were victims of an imaginary plot by freemasons has been jailed for eight years.

Thierry Tilly, 48, was convicted of false imprisonment and of abusing the weakness of psychologically vulnerable persons at his trial in Bordeaux.

An accomplice, Jacques Gonzalez, was jailed for four years.

Tilly robbed the De Vedrines family of their possessions, including their chateau, Monflanquin, the court heard.

The victims were dubbed by the French media as the "recluses of Monflanquin" because of the sheltered lives they led as a result of Tilly's scheming.

After gaining access to the family, he made himself indispensable before manipulating each of his dupes "in a diabolical manner", France's Le Figaro newspaper writes.

Described by a family lawyer as an "unusual guru", Tilly robbed them of some 4.5m euros (£3.6m; $5.8m) between 1999 and 2009.

Tilly argued in court he had been trying to protect the family, whom he reportedly described as a "gang of resentful, greedy country nobles".

His own lawyer called for clemency, saying his client, who claimed to be a descendant of the Habsburgs and a former "hostage of the freemasons", was "probably slightly deranged".

'Group paranoia'

Ten of Tilly's victims faced him in court. The 11th, a grandmother named Guillemette, died in 2010 at the age of 97.

The court heard that the family of Protestant nobles had lived as recluses at Monflanquin, near Bordeaux, after Tilly put them under his "mental spell".

They also spent some time in Oxford, England, still fearing that their lives were in danger.

Explaining the verdict, the court said Tilly had created a state of submission among his victims, encouraging "group paranoia and mental destabilisation".

One of the victims, Guillaume De Vedrines, said Tilly had conspired to turn members of the family against each other.

"Mr Tilly is not a guru and we did not form a sect," he was quoted as saying by le Figaro. "He is a crook, a highly perverse man, a predator, the Hannibal Lecter of manipulation."

Tilly and Gonzalez, 64, have 10 days to appeal against the sentence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20310624
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