Al Qaeda, a CIA creation?

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Al Qaeda, a CIA creation?

Postby Say Tan » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:16 am

Think about it. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Al Qaeda, a CIA creation?

Postby dbeach » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:47 am

Al Qeada= All CIA Duh<br><br>how bout al qeada are paid cia assets..hired mercenaries..???<br><br>its all cia fanatsy..blame some bunch of foremer buddies to keep the war/industrial/securty complex with their over stuffed budget and price the middle class out of college..health care.. insurance ect..<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Al Qaeda, a CIA creation?

Postby DrDebugDU » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:05 pm

Yep. Al Qaeda is a CIA/ISI/Saudi creation<br><br>Who Is Osama Bin Laden?<br>by Michel Chossudovsky<br>Professor of Economics, University of Ottawa<br>Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), Montréal<br>Posted at globalresearch.ca 12 September 2001<br><br><br>The following text outlines the history of Osama Bin Laden and the links of the Islamic "Jihad" to the formulation of US foreign policy during the Cold War and its aftermath.<br><br>Prime suspect in the New York and Washington terrorists attacks, branded by the FBI as an "international terrorist" for his role in the African US embassy bombings, Saudi born Osama bin Laden was recruited during the Soviet-Afghan war "ironically under the auspices of the CIA, to fight Soviet invaders". 1<br><br>In 1979 "the largest covert operation in the history of the CIA" was launched in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in support of the pro-Communist government of Babrak Kamal.2:<br><br>With the active encouragement of the CIA and Pakistan's ISI [Inter Services Intelligence], who wanted to turn the Afghan jihad into a global war waged by all Muslim states against the Soviet Union, some 35,000 Muslim radicals from 40 Islamic countries joined Afghanistan's fight between 1982 and 1992. Tens of thousands more came to study in Pakistani madrasahs. Eventually more than 100,000 foreign Muslim radicals were directly influenced by the Afghan jihad.3<br><br>The Islamic "jihad" was supported by the United States and Saudi Arabia with a significant part of the funding generated from the Golden Crescent drug trade:<br><br>In March 1985, President Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive 166,...[which] authorize[d] stepped-up covert military aid to the mujahideen, and it made clear that the secret Afghan war had a new goal: to defeat Soviet troops in Afghanistan through covert action and encourage a Soviet withdrawal. The new covert U.S. assistance began with a dramatic increase in arms supplies -- a steady rise to 65,000 tons annually by 1987, ... as well as a "ceaseless stream" of CIA and Pentagon specialists who traveled to the secret headquarters of Pakistan's ISI on the main road near Rawalpindi, Pakistan. There the CIA specialists met with Pakistani intelligence officers to help plan operations for the Afghan rebels.4<br><br>The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) using Pakistan's military Inter- Services Intelligence (ISI) played a key role in training the Mujahideen. In turn, the CIA sponsored guerrilla training was integrated with the teachings of Islam:<br><br>Predominant themes were that Islam was a complete socio- political ideology, that holy Islam was being violated by the atheistic Soviet troops, and that the Islamic people of Afghanistan should reassert their independence by overthrowing the leftist Afghan regime propped up by Moscow.5<br><br>Pakistan's Intelligence Apparatus<br><br>Pakistan's ISI was used as a "go-between". The CIA covert support to the "jihad" operated indirectly through the Pakistani ISI, --i.e. the CIA did not channel its support directly to the Mujahideen. In other words, for these covert operations to be "successful", Washington was careful not to reveal the ultimate objective of the "jihad", which consisted in destroying the Soviet Union.<br><br>In the words of CIA's Milton Beardman "We didn't train Arabs". Yet according to Abdel Monam Saidali, of the Al-aram Center for Strategic Studies in Cairo, bin Laden and the "Afghan Arabs" had been imparted "with very sophisticated types of training that was allowed to them by the CIA" 6<br><br>CIA's Beardman confirmed, in this regard, that Osama bin Laden was not aware of the role he was playing on behalf of Washington. In the words of bin Laden (quoted by Beardman): "neither I, nor my brothers saw evidence of American help". 7<br><br>Motivated by nationalism and religious fervor, the Islamic warriors were unaware that they were fighting the Soviet Army on behalf of Uncle Sam. While there were contacts at the upper levels of the intelligence hierarchy, Islamic rebel leaders in theatre had no contacts with Washington or the CIA.<br><br>With CIA backing and the funneling of massive amounts of US military aid, the Pakistani ISI had developed into a "parallel structure wielding enormous power over all aspects of government". 8 The ISI had a staff composed of military and intelligence officers, bureaucrats, undercover agents and informers, estimated at 150,000. 9<br><br>Meanwhile, CIA operations had also reinforced the Pakistani military regime led by General Zia Ul Haq:<br><br>'Relations between the CIA and the ISI [Pakistan's military intelligence] had grown increasingly warm following [General] Zia's ouster of Bhutto and the advent of the military regime,'... During most of the Afghan war, Pakistan was more aggressively anti-Soviet than even the United States. Soon after the Soviet military invaded Afghanistan in 1980, Zia [ul Haq] sent his ISI chief to destabilize the Soviet Central Asian states. The CIA only agreed to this plan in October 1984.... `the CIA was more cautious than the Pakistanis.' Both Pakistan and the United States took the line of deception on Afghanistan with a public posture of negotiating a settlement while privately agreeing that military escalation was the best course.10<br><br>More:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html">www.globalresearch.ca/art...O109C.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Copyright Michel Chossudovsky, Montreal, September 2001. All rights reserved. Permission is granted to post this text on non-commercial community internet sites, provided the source and the URL are indicated, the essay remains intact and the copyright note is displayed. To publish this text in printed and/or other forms, including commercial internet sites and excerpts, contact the author at chossudovsky@videotron.ca , fax: 1-514-4256224. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Al Qaeda, a CIA creation?

Postby dbeach » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:27 pm

Hi Drdebug<br><br>CIA has been a tool for elite control since the operation paperclip came in and corrupted the govt<br><br>IMHO<br><br>CIA invent new bad guys to scare the masses and rob thier hard earned cash..<br><br>american and euro royalty lootin the treasury and protecting theri wealth with terror scares..endless wars.threats to social security e..<br><br>"1984 is knocking on your door" lyrics by Spirit <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Al Qaeda, a CIA creation?

Postby DrDebugDU » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:38 pm

The CIA is just one of the agencies which can do things which shouldn't be known. It's not just the CIA. There are more organizations like that, but they are most notorious.<br><br>In this case the Saudi's and the Pakistani played a part as well in forming Al Qaeda. Mind you, there is no such thing as Al Qaeda. It was the US who invented that term. (It means the base)<br><br>Al Qaeda was set up to lure the Soviets into invading Afghanistan (that was the US plan). The Pakistani wanted to disrupt their neighboring country and the Saudis wanted a massive Muslim army.<br><br>In the end all three parties got what they wanted.<br><br>When the Cold War was over a new enemy was needed and Osama and his people were more than happy to play the game. The game is called the Hegelian principle. You need an anti-thesis. In this case Muslims became the anti-thesis and the thesis is Christianity. That's why religion is on the up again.<br><br>They need terror, because without terror there are hardly any wars in the world. And without wars there's no spending and there's no civil unrest and civil unrest is need for domestic control. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Al Qaeda, a CIA creation?

Postby dbeach » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:44 pm

DrDebugDU<br><br>ya got mail<br>control freaks<br><br>all these corporats and aristorats<br>deserve each other.<br><br>thats why when the royals marry it becomes insider trading.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Al Qaeda, a CIA creation?

Postby fujacko » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:54 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Mind you, there is no such thing as Al Qaeda. It was the US who invented that term. (It means the base)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>In fact, in some areas 'al qaeda' is slang for 'toilet'. No wonder so many Arabs scoff at the notion of an international terrorist organization.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>he game is called the Hegelian principle. You need an anti-thesis. In this case Muslims became the anti-thesis and the thesis is Christianity. That's why religion is on the up again.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Ah, but what 'synthesis' will result from this Hegelian conflict? Religion, to me, is just a superficial excuse, and the real defining factors are political/economical. But very good of you to note Hegel's dialectic as a defining force in history. The writers of OS012 (see my thread in this forum) were keenly aware of it as well. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Al Qaeda, a CIA creation?

Postby DrDebugDU » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:59 pm

> Ah, but what 'synthesis' will result from this Hegelian conflict? <br><br>I have no idea yet. But both the Saudi and the other oil states are playing the game with the West, so they know the game they are playing<br><br>> Religion, to me, is just a superficial excuse, and the real defining factors are political/economical. <br><br>Religion is something people can understand. I reality it isn't about religion, but it's the excuse which makes for a good message. Especially for the Muslims the idea of a War on Religion works wonders. The West needs the War on Terror approach, but I've already seen the people of London hating on the Arabs, so they got the message.<br><br>> But very good of you to note Hegel's dialectic as a defining force in history. <br><br>Julius Caesar knew the principle already. It's very old. It dates back way before Hegel. <p></p><i></i>
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synthesis

Postby albion » Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:51 pm

I believe that what will result from the "war on terror" was best stated pre-9/11 (2000) by Richard Labeviere in <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Dollars for Terror: The United States and Islam</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"Islam is less likely to produce a 'clash of civilizations,' as Samuel Huntington predicted, than to consolidate mafia-like links between organized crime and the great business networks of global capitalism."<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/sim-explorer/explore-items/-/1892941066/0/101/1/none/purchase/ref%3Dpd%5Fsxp%5Fr0/002-9619079-7610423">www.amazon.com/exec/obido...79-7610423</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I think the spread of radical islamism, far from being the enemy, is the PLAN. Salafists and Wahhabis are the perfect partners for nazi satanists - they combine great public displays of piety and conservatism, with a thoroghouly corrupt and debased 'behind the scenes' actuality. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: synthesis

Postby dbeach » Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:58 pm

"I think the spread of radical islamism, far from being the enemy, is the PLAN. Salafists and Wahhabis are the perfect partners for nazi satanists - they combine great public displays of piety and conservatism, with a thoroghouly corrupt and debased 'behind the scenes' actuality. "<br><br>welll put!<br>plus they rollover and play patsie and say master real nice for the cam coders!<br><br>control freaks have perfect patsies in these guys .<br><br> but wait the ole real ole enemy is gettin dragged into the climax<br><br>can't have a fun filled biblical armageddon without those Chinese troops pouring over the borders<br><br><br>watch how the china hatred gets inflamed and I do say china could be our enemy without any intimidation at all..BUT the controllers will use the arab/islam and china card to keep the terror trauma alive.. <p></p><i></i>
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