Britian Sunday Times-The Pakistan Connection

by **RebelYell** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:42 pm

July 17, 2005 The Pakistan connection Extremism is thriving in the provinces and schools, reports Christina Lamb It was a chill autumn day and a strange murmuring sound was coming from inside the building. At first I thought it was the wind that was whipping up angry columns of dust around the white arched courtyard. Then the teacher let me peer through the door to see hundreds of boys in white pyjamas and prayer caps sat on the floor hunched over large books and rocking back and forth. The sound was their muttering as they tried to memorise all 77,934 words of the Koran. This was Darul Uloom Haqqania or House of Knowledge, one of Pakistan’s leading madrasahs based in Akora Khattak in the North West Frontier Province. The Eton of budding Islamic warriors, its 2,500 places are heavily oversubscribed. Upstairs in the hall leading to the Library of Fatwas, a roll of honour lists most of the Taliban leadership as alumni as well as an honorary degree for Mullah Omar. Madrasah is the Arabic word for religious school and the only lessons were Arabic, Islamic jurisprudence and learning the hadith, the sayings of the Prophet. Students are also taught the proper size for a beard and appropriate trouser length. There is no science, maths, literature or other languages and everything was by rote learning. “Why do we need discussion?" asked my guide Rashid, the deputy director, when I questioned this. “What is written is written.” For one used to a western lifestyle, the students — aged from five to their twenties — seemed to inhabit an almost prison-like life. Up at 4am for the first of five prayers a day, they sleep on thin mats on the floor in unheated dormitories. Greying washed shirts hung stiff on a line outside. The only posters on the walls were of a Kalashnikov-wielding Osama Bin Laden on a charging white horse. A large boom box stood on the floor but the tapes alongside were of sermons from radical imams. The teenagers I spoke to were unable to do simple calculations and had never heard of dinosaurs. They laughed uproariously at the idea that man could walk on the moon. When I asked what they wanted to be when they graduated, they talked of becoming mullahs. One or two spoke of embracing shahadat, martyrdom, and of going to paradise with its 72 virgins, almost as though this world was just a grade to get through. My visit was short — as a woman, although clad in an all-encompassing burqa, I had been warned I might be stoned and my questions were clearly provoking some hostility. But I have known the director Maulana Sami-ul Haq since I lived in Pakistan in the late 1980s and he waved me to a plastic chair in his car port and offered Pepsi, brought by his son Osama. The maulana explained that his father had founded the school before independence in 1947, stating that “we don’t have money or guns to drive out the British but through education we have the power to influence and raise an entire generation against them”. The only foreign students I had seen were central Asian, Indonesian and north African, but the maulana boasted that among the thousands of applicants every year were British students. It was in one such madrasah near the old Mughal city of Lahore that Shahzad Tanweer, the Aldgate bomber, spent time at the beginning of this year after growing up in Leeds. It was a trip from which friends say the cricket-mad 22-year old returned a changed man. According to Pakistani intelligence sources, this was his second trip to the country. Mohammed Sidique Khan, the primary school teaching assistant and Edgware Road bomber, is said to have made regular trips to the country, and the youngest suicide bomber, 18-year-old Hasib Hussain who blew up the No 30 bus, also visited, ironically sent by his father to learn some discipline. “Yet again with 7/7 we see all roads lead to Pakistan,” said M J Gohel, director of the London-based Asia- Pacific Foundation that monitors terrorism. ... According to Pakistani intelligence, in 2003 Tanweer travelled to his family’s home town of Faisalabad and met Osama Nazir, who was arrested last year for the 2002 bombing of a church in Islamabad that killed five people, including two Americans. It is believed that Tanweer may also have attended Muridke, a vast training camp just outside Lahore run by Lashkar-i-Toiba. I visited the heavily guarded location two years ago, after Musharraf had assured America that all such camps had been closed down, and found it still operating. ... <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1697130_1,00.html" target="top">Source</a>

by **dbeach** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:05 am

Hi RY Oldie but goodie the trail is so long and complicated with too many side trials..BUT thats what it is..layers of criminals all profiting while they destroy the USA and freedom.. only the criminals have college degrees and the respect and adoration of many and are known as modern day politicians YES INDEED WHADDA RACKET!!! <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0208/S00045.htm">www.scoop.co.nz/stories/H...S00045.htm</a> 911 Terrorist Links to Congress & White House Friday, 9 August 2002, 10:51 am Article: www.UnansweredQuestions.org Atta’s Money-man Meets With 9/11 Investigation Chairmen on Morning of Attacks Three days after the attacks on September 14, the New York Times reported that important members of the Bush Administration met with the terrorist financier and ISI Chief, General Ahmad: CIA Director George Tenet, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, Under-Secretary of State Marc Grossman, and Senator Joseph Biden (D-DE) -- Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. However, the Times also revealed that on September 11 -- while the attacks were in progress -- the two current Co-Chairmen of the Joint-Intelligence Committee investigating the 9/11 attacks, Senator Bob Graham (D-FL) and Representative Porter Goss (R-FL), met for breakfast with the ISI Chief who had ordered $100,000 wired from Pakistan to terrorist leader Mohammed Atta in the days immediately preceeding the attacks. All this, while General Ahmad was in the United States meeting with multiple Bush Administration officials and members of Congress: "When the news came, the two Florida lawmakers who lead the House and Senate intelligence committees were having breakfast with the head of the Pakistani intelligence service. Rep. Porter Goss, Sen. Bob Graham, and other members of the House Intelligence Committee were talking about terrorism issues with the Pakistani official when a member of Goss’ staff handed a note to Goss, who handed it to Graham. ‘We were talking about terrorism, specifically terrorism generated from Afghanistan,’ Graham said." [presciently] In a skilled analysis of the neglected yet important story, Professor Chossudovsky literally dug deep to verify the participation of Bush Administration officials in the meetings with the hijacker financier behind the September 11 attacks. News Pakistan (9-10-2001) reported that ISI Chief Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad arrived in the U.S. on September 4, adding that “Mahmoud’s week-long presence in Washington has triggered speculation about the agenda of his mysterious meeting at the Pentagon and National Security Council....Official sources confirm that he met with [George] Tenet this week. He also held long parleys with unspecified officials at the White House and the Pentagon. But the most important meeting was with Marc Grossman, U.S. Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs. One can safely guess that the discussions must have centered around Afghanistan....and Osama bin Laden.” But this news report was written on September 10 -- the day before the attacks. According to the Miami Herald (9-16-2001), “Graham said the Pakistani intelligence official with whom he met....was forced to stay all week in Washington because of the shutdown of air traffic. ‘He was marooned here, and I think that gave Secretary of State Powell and others in the administration a chance to really talk with him.’ ” Perhaps Chossudovsky’s most telling analysis comes in just one short sentence from congressional intelligence investigation Co-Chairman Porter Goss: “None of this is news, but it’s all part of the finger-pointing,” Goss declared yesterday in a rare display of pique. “It’s foolishness.” (Washington Post, 9-18-2002) Then the Ottawa professor added: “This statement comes from the man who was having breakfast with the alleged ‘money-man’ behind 9/11 -- on the morning of September 11.” The Post topped off the story, adding that “[General] Ahmad ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban.” But Chossudovsky unearthed another telling Goss statement from a White House bulletin: “Chairman Porter Goss said an existing congressional inquiry has so far found ‘no smoking gun’ that would warrant another inquiry.” (5-17-2002) Moreover, Chossudovsky reminds that CIA Director George Tenet also met with ISI Chief Ahmad just prior to the 9/11 attacks, and that Tenet had regularly met with President Bush nearly every morning at 8 am sharp for about a half hour. But most curiously, a document known as the President’s Daily Briefing, OPDB, “is prepared at Langley by the CIA’s analytical directorate, and a draft goes home with Tenet each night. Tenet edits it personally and delivers it orally during his early morning meeting with Bush.” (Washington Post, 5-17-2002) But there are no reports as to why the President prefers not to keep written records of important CIA briefings. The Ottawa professor added that “this practice of ‘oral intelligence briefings’ is unprecedented. Bush’s predecessors at the White House, received a written briefing:” “The CIA worked in tandem with Pakistan to create the ‘monster’ that is today Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban,” a leading U.S. expert on South Asia had said months prior to the attacks. Selig Harrison from the Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars added, “The CIA made a historic mistake in encouraging Islamic groups from all over the world to come to Afghanistan.” But more importantly, Harrison reveals that “the old associations between the intelligence agencies continue....The CIA still has close links with the ISI.” Americans may now wonder what terrorist money man and ISI Chief Ahmad was discussing with George Tenet, Colin Powell, and members of Congress during those long meetings prior to the worst attacks on American soil in our history. And after all this, some U.S. citizens may even question whether there is anyone left to depose Bush Administration officials and Members of Congress under oath who would never subpoena themselves to offer explanations for demonstrated conflicts of interest -- or worse. Copyright (c) 2002 by Thomas Flocco. Used with permission. "Bush names the bag man Goss to be the CIA boss..all rewards for silence in the crimes..this was plannedd yrs ago,,bush family had the connections to make it look legit..[and there are a few terrorists}BUT most is the worlds so called leaders..thats the real terrorists

by **albion** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:27 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>How London brought terror on itself By B Raman That three of the suspected perpetrators of the bomb attacks on London on July 7 were British youths of Pakistani origin should not only have been no surprise to British intelligence, it should have been anticipated: the radicalization of Britain's Muslim youth of Pakistani origin began in the mid-1990s with the full knowledge and complicity of British and US intelligence agencies. [...] Pearl had heard that the instructions to Richard Reid, the so-called shoe bomber, whose father was a British resident of Caribbean origin, to carry out his terrorist strike had come from an unidentified source in Karachi belonging to an organization called the Jamaat-ul-Fuqra (JUF), based in Lahore. Its leader, Mubarik Ali Shah Gilani, had four wives, two of them African-Americans. [...] The JUF differed from other Pakistani jihadi organizations in some respects. It focused its activities on Muslim communities in the US, Canada and the Caribbean and its membership consisted largely of blacks recruited in the US, Canada and the Caribbean. It laid emphasis on the need to penetrate the armed forces of the US and the Caribbean by recruiting blacks serving in them. It was a highly secretive organization and not much was known about its leaders other than Gilani. It never issued any statements and never circulated any pamphlets or ran any websites. [...] While the HUA and the JUF kept away from each other in Pakistan, they cooperated in the US and built up a network of sleeper cells. The HUA did not show much interest in the Caribbean and left that area to the JUF. [...] Reports on the investigation into the London blasts so far point the finger of suspicion at the Kashmir separatist group Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET) and the JUF <a href="http://atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GG16Df04.html">atimes.com/atimes/South_A...6Df04.html</a><hr></blockquote> from an info page on the Jamaat-ul-Fuqra: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> The JF is loosely structured with certain elements working openly through social service organisations to recruit members, raise money, organise activities and carry out propaganda. Individuals selected to live on JF premises agree to abide by the law and discipline of the Jamaat ul-Fuqra. Investigations by the Colorado Attorney General's Office in the 1980s indicated that the JF was composed of approximately 30 different 'Jamaats' or communities, more or less mobile in nature. Most of these 'Jamaats' are reportedly existent even today along with what investigators discerned to be several covert paramilitary training compounds, one of which had been located in a mountainous area near Buena Vista, Colorado prior to the Colorado prosecutions in the mid-1990s. Within 10 years of its formation, Fuqra's communes in the US attracted many Muslim converts-including some of those recruited in prisons. The JF is said to comprise of some 1,000 to 3,000 members in the US. <a href="http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/terroristoutfits/jamaat-ul-fuqra.htm">www.satp.org/satporgtp/co...-fuqra.htm</a><hr></blockquote>

by **albion** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:32 am

The Fuqra’s structure is well concealed behind front outfits and consists of a network of safe houses and cells. Furthermore, the JF founder as well as cadres consistently maintain that it does not exist. JF members occasionally travel abroad for ‘paramilitary and survivalist training’ under Gilani's supervision. [...] most JF cells are located in North America. Fuqra members have purchased isolated rural properties in North America [...] One of the persons convicted in the World Trade Center bombing in 1993 was Clement Rodney Hampton-el, a Fuqra member. JF was linked in a Congressional testimony to the planning of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. [...] Gilani is now in Pakistani custody for the abduction of US journalist Daniel Pearl. Official sources in Pakistan have indicated that Daniel Pearl was attempting to meet Gilani in the days before he disappeared in Karachi. [...] Pakistani police arrested Gilani in Rawalpindi on January 30, 2002 and shifted him to Karachi for questioning. Although he denied any link to the abduction, police also detained several of his colleagues. Consequent to his arrest, he reportedly told his interrogators that he had links with the Pakistani intelligence agencies. [...] A money laundering scheme run by the Red House Commune is reportedly similar to a Colorado operation that was shut down in 1993. Colorado law enforcement agencies convicted five JF cadres for defrauding the Colorado government of approximately $350,000 through bogus workers’ compensation claims. Prosecuting agencies have indicated that the amount had been laundered through Professional Security International (PSI), a JF security firm, and Muslims of the Americas. A portion of the funds was tracked through PSI to JF couriers who traveled to Pakistan. The PSI reportedly enabled JF cadres to obtain federal licenses to buy weapons. The Fuqra is also suspected of having two more security firms located in New York. [...] Two other communes in New York and California have shooting ranges. The 1,800-acre settlement in the Sierra Mountains in California also reportedly has an airstrip. <a href="http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/terroristoutfits/jamaat-ul-fuqra.htm">www.satp.org/satporgtp/co...-fuqra.htm</a>

by **albion** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:57 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Bomb suspect may have Cleveland tie Friday, July 15, 2005 From staff and wire reports One of the suspects in the London bombings may have had a Cleveland connection. Lindsey Germaine, a Jamaican-born Briton believed to have been involved in one of the subway blasts last week, visited the Cleveland area several times when his mother lived here, NBC News reported Thursday, citing law enforcement sources. The NBC report said an active FBI investigation is under way in Cleveland. Contacted Thursday, Cleveland FBI spokesman Robert Hawk and Assistant U.S. Attorneys Craig Morford and Thomas Getz would not comment on any investigation or on reports of a local connection. <a href="http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1121427092237690.xml&coll=2">www.cleveland.com/news/pl...amp;coll=2</a> <hr></blockquote> not only cleveland, but jersey: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>One of the bombing suspects who died in the attacks, Jamaican- born Lindsey Germaine, had been in the U.S. within the past two years, ABC cited unidentified U.S. officials as saying. They are investigating people Germaine contacted in Ohio and New Jersey, the network said. <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=a0CZ0NeW.gAI&refer=top_world_news">www.bloomberg.com/apps/ne...world_news</a><hr></blockquote>

by **Starman** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:19 am

Americans for the most part remain blithely ignorant of the US's games, exploitation, manipulation and betrayal of Pakistan's peoples not just for the US's past, present and future agenda in Afghanistan but also with India. It's nothing but utterly appalling, showing how thoroughly bankrupt American leadership is, fixated on zero-sum games with the global elites as the only 'winner'. Re: US's unrelenting and unqualified support for Pakistan's Military Dictatorship -- The US has exercised enormous influence on Pakistan's politics and economy through the CIAs cultivated association with Pahistan's secret service (ISI) and inducement via substantial military aid. Yet, there's almost a total news-block in the mainstream media on discussing this most unequal relationship or the incongruity of the US ignoring Pakistan's terrorist incursions on India and its legacy of religious extremism and nuclear proliferation through selling nuclear weapons technology, plans and equipment to potentially unstable, terrorist regimes (ie., North Korea). US's 'alliance' with Pakistan has evidently resulted in a skewed regional balance-of-power in which Pakistan's belligerant posturing and fomenting two decades of terrorism (with 40,000 Indian victims) and the making of nuclear threats is tacitly accomodated by the US as a form of gratitude for its 'help' in the War on Terror -- which is SO perverse considering Pakistan's role via the ISI as a CIA Middleman directing Afghan Taliban and AlQaeda terrorism. Following comments reveal typical Indians' frustration and dissapointment over the US's duplicious policies appeasing Pakistan's reckless posturing while positioning itself as a 'natural' democratic ally with India -- another example of the Bush neocon's atrocious bungling of foreign policy and diplomacy. Thanks Bush! Pakistan's cultural climate encouraging rote-learning of the Koran in extremist Madrassa academies is a chilly foreboding of Pakistan's leaning towards religious extremism as a way to overcome its sense of collective inferiority as conditionally dependant on the US's political largesse -- no doubt a cultural legacy, a reliance on violence which the US has deliberately cultivated as part of its Strategy of Tension for the region. No wonder India has a deep and abiding distrust of the US -- since US self-serving duplicity and double standards is a well-established theme. Starman <a href="http://members.tripod.com/~INDIA_RESOURCE/IndiaUS.html">members.tripod.com/~INDIA...diaUS.html</a> ... most American governments have propped up Pakistan's military dictators against democratic India, and against democratic forces within Pakistan. If India and the US were truly "natural allies" (aligned due to a real and verifiable concern for democracy as some like to mindlessly assert), it is odd how the US has shown no inclination towards putting any type of sanction or constraint on the military administration in Pakistan. The US State Department has studiously ignored widespread evidence of electoral rigging and suppression of democratic rights in Pakistan, and the US Pentagon has been busy selling Pakistan's military leaders new attack helicopters, the latest in military transport planes, and recently developed anti-missile systems. And all of this has taken place without any perceptible retreat in the hostile stand of the Musharraf regime. So blatant was the hypocrisy of the US establishment that on May 23, 2002, E Jayakrishnan (New Delhi, Sify News) was compelled to note: "Amidst the gathering war clouds in the sub-continent, there is something India and Pakistan agree on – the duplicity of the United States." No other headline could have summarized the situation more candidly, and many Indians in their comments on the websites of newspapers such as the Times of India and the Hindustan Times reiterated their disgust, anger and disappointment with the US. One reader wrote: "We are in fact decades behind in our development because of the proxy war (initiated by Pakistan) and our patient and unaggressive means to curb Pakistan's malicious intentions. But all that the so called "international community" intends doing is to trick and trip India each time." Disbelief and distrust of statements issued by American officials ran high, one reader observed: "It is quite evident that America has double standards on the India-Pakistan issue, even though they are trying their level best to make others believe that they are very much against a war in the region" Another suggested: "We should not believe the Americans any more. All the activities against India have been encouraged by them..." Others have been extremely suspicious of America's "war on terrorism": "The American Agenda has never been clear or transparent. As a superpower it gives the impression that it will act as it pleases. We wonder if they even have a long term plan to prevent terrorism." Wondering why the US administration has studiously avoided blaming Pakistan for having links with the terrorist groups even after the arrest of several active terrorists on Pakistani soil, one reader wrote: "....what could stop one from thinking that Pakistan has some hold over Washington, regarding some sins which both might have committed jointly...?? Particularly galling was how US officials looked the other way, or tacitly endorsed Pakistan's nuclear blackmail against India. A May 31 Hindustan Times news story read as follows: India on Thursday termed as "yet another manifestation of loose talk" by Pakistan threatening to use nuclear weapons even if India stuck to conventional weapons in a conflict and said Islamabad was prepared to stoop to any depth in order to capitalise on the so called "nuclear scare." Reacting to the statement made by Pakistani Ambassador to the United Nations Munir Akram, spokesperson of External Affairs Ministry told reporters here "this is yet another manifestation of loose talk and irresposible statements emanating from Pakistan with reference to the current situation. "You contrast that with the responsibility that India has constantly displayed. I think the world should draw appropriate inferences from this contrast," she said. What this story didn't mention was how, not a single senior official in the US administration called for sanctions against Pakistan for making nuclear threats against India - there were no calls for destroying Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, or even setting up any type of inspection regime to curtail Pakistan's weapons program. But on the web, on discussion boards and e-mail lists, this was brought up repeatedly. One poster commented as follows: "Certainly the US Govt. has played a dubious role in this crisis. They have been telling the world one thing and acting differently .To them an "American's Life" is more precious than other nations. It is especially sad to note that neither the US Govt. nor the US media have publicly opposed this irresponsible public announcement (concerning Pakistan's threat of using nuclear weapons against India). What they did instead was to create panic amongst those of the international community living in India and Pakistan and advised them to leave these two countries. This shows how the US Govt. failed miserably to diffuse tensions in this region and allowed the Pakistani Govt. to make their uncivilized gestures of a nuclear threat." On May 31, the Times of India ran the following news report: "US Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said on Friday that war between India and Pakistan would be devastating and also set back much improved relations between Washington and the South Asian foes." In response, a reader commented: "Wars are always devastating. But how long must India suffer a proxy war. By threatening to use nuclear weapons, Pakistan is blackmailing the whole world. The so called world leaders and policemen should end their double speak and rein in Pakistan." One commentator even alluded to the possibility of the US covertly encouraging Pakistan's nuclear blackmail against India: "I agree with the possibility of US colluding with Pakistan to issue a mock threat of use of the Nuclear bomb. I think we all might recollect how Pakistan constantly tried to remind the USA that the "help" they were giving to Washington in their war against terror, should not go unrewarded. There does appear to be a strong likelihood that this may be one of the rewards from Washington. Secondly, the hypocrisy of the Western Media in describing the terrorists operating in the Kashmir Valley as "what India calls as terrorists", is also appalling. Aren't they implying that there is a possibility that these may not be terrorists?? Whose certificate are they awaiting before they drop the phrase "what India calls"?? The double standards are blatantly apparent, even to a blind man. So when some people kill over 3000 people at one stroke, it can qualify as "terror" (referring to 9/11) but when others kill over 40,000 Indians over a period of two decades, then it isn't "terror"???" . . . Perceptive Indians have also noted the stark contrast in US/British attitudes towards Iraq. (Unlike Pakistan's military dictators, Iraq's leaders have been trying hard to make peace with their neighbors. And unlike Pakistan's military (which is known to possess nuclear weapons, and has even threatened to use them against India), Iraq has not only denied possessing nuclear weapons or the ability to deliver them, it has never made any nuclear threats against any nation. Yet, it is Iraq that is now being viciously targeted for supposedly being a "threat" to peace and regional stability.) On June 8, in response to a Times of India story that read: "Britain will do everything it can to help India and Pakistan avert war, but there are no plans yet to send British troops to Kashmir, Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon said Saturday.", a reader commented: "This is the height of arrogance and absurdity from UK. How can UK even consider any 'options' until consent is given by India? Do they think that J&K is their ancestral property? Meanwhile it would be better if they use their mediation skills in trying to persuade Bush & Blair to desist from attacking Iraq! Have they considered dialogue with Saddam?" Some also noted the contrast in US attitudes towards Israel and India: "Dubya recently said Israel has a right to self defense when he met with PM Sharon, India doesn't....?" On June 12, in response to a story alluding to possible US intervention to bring about "peace" between India and Pakistan, there were several sharply hostile responses: One reader wrote: "Double dealers galore would about sum up the phantom of US Governance. The current administration itself is ripe with double dealing... International Criminal Court, Organization for Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, Biological weapons, Kyoto, Venezuela are but a few examples. The cancer of US foreign policy in the last 50 years spreads...The MiddleEast, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Will it claim India next? Yes if we bring them in...." Another observed: "We know US is a friend to its geo-political interests and nothing else. Moreover, militancy in Kashmir is the direct result of US's fostering of the Mujahideen for its war on the erstwhile USSR. Despite recent public pronouncements favourable to India, the ground reality has not changed. Whatever the US may say in private or public, we see the same prescription being handed down...Lastly, it is a matter of principle which perhaps angers me most—on what basis can India and Pakistan be equated on the issue of terror (as this is part of the war on terror)? There has not been a single Indian terrorist in the world." Another reader pointed to how the US was using Pakistan against India: "The US has been playing this game for long - not allowing nations that are on the growth path to grow, by distracting them using rogue neighbours i.e. Pakistan." Yet another observed: "Western powers would like to see India remain a weak nation - give it small successes but big losses. Western powers would like to ensure that India and Pakistan remain their staple customers for their weapons. The past clearly shows that US has always sided with dictators, because they are more amenable to unreasonable demands." One reader noted quite succinctly: "Looks like the East India Company is coming back." Reacting to a June 12 news report: "India and United States on Wednesday discussed the possibility of deployment of foreign forces to monitor the Line of Control (LoC) but no conclusion was reached", one outraged reader asked: "Are the Indian forces so incompetent that we need foreign forces to watch our border?" Another wrote: "Our sovereignty, bravery and courage in adversity have never been in doubt. We are capable of safeguarding our territory from terror exported by our neighbours. We do not need soldiers who do not have the courage to face an enemy in battle to help us on our territory. The Americans can fire advanced missiles from thousands of miles and cause deaths of civilians but never in Iraq or Afghanistan did they fight face to face with the enemy. They simply lack the guts. Keep them out of Indian territory. Now and forever." Yet another wrote in shock and disbelief: "Even an offer to help India with US troops, is an insult to Indians soldiers. Nobody in the world has the training and capability to fight in such a hostile terrain as does India. The Indian army has 50 years experience in such warfare. No foreign soldiers should be ever allowed on Indian soil. I cannot believe that Indian government even discussed this matter." And another: How we can trust US for this purpose who has been helping Pakistan for many long years for supporting terrorism. We should not forget that Al-Qaeda is a product of America itself.....from history it is very clear that when America occupies any base it hardly ever leaves. Pressure from USA forces us to keep our eyes shut." On several occasions, there have been angry comments against India's political leaders and journalists featured in India's English language press who have not shown the ability to resist US machinations in the region. India's political leaders have been described as "weak" and "spineless". One response read: "The Govt. of India has probably called up the White House to ask them how India should react. It seems that the army is controlled from Washington rather than from Delhi. The Govt. will probably sign another contract with Israel and the English newspapers in India will preach peace against all odds. No Sir, we won't bite. Not without the permission from the USA." Others expressed dissatisfaction with India's pro US political class observing that "....the greed of our politicians for petty personal power at all costs stands between the dire need in India for a strong cohesive response against Pakistan's acts of terror and US needling." Several expressed skepticism over the Indian government's approach to get the US to rein in Pakistan or declare it a "terrorist state": "But Great Advani: Is your statement not contrary with your second statement "US should declare Pakistan a terrorist state". Does your statement not smell of dependence?" In a similar vein, another reader wrote: "Dear Mr. Advani... why do we look at the Americans for inspiration (or permission...) to solve a problem in our backyard..."

by **DrDebugDU** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:06 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> However, the Times also revealed that on September 11 -- while the attacks were in progress -- the two current Co-Chairmen of the Joint-Intelligence Committee investigating the 9/11 attacks, Senator Bob Graham (D-FL) and Representative Porter Goss (R-FL), met for breakfast with the ISI Chief who had ordered $100,000 wired from Pakistan to terrorist leader Mohammed Atta in the days immediately preceeding the attacks. <hr></blockquote> MadCowProductions figured out what happened to that $100,000 and what it was about. Mohammed Atta was living with Majed Atta. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Majed Atta is a relative of Mohamed Atta. Until the middle of 2001, Majed Atta ran the Rainbow Grocery on Plant Street in Winter Garden. On Aug. 1 2001, he and his family packed their belongings into a U-Haul and left their rental home near Lake Apopka. Majed Atta's former landlady said they moved just one week after Atta said he planned to buy the home from her and open a new grocery store in the Orlando area. (Orlando Sentinel Sep 23, 2001) However according to the news story below a Majed Atta is back again in 2004, running a grocery store on Congress Street in New Orleans [1] together with Shareef Quattom, but according to the FBI it was a different Majed Atta who happened to be in the grocery business and who also happened to leave Florida just before 9/11 and was busy buying a grocery store for $92,000. How much money did Mohamed Atta receive from Mahmoud Ahmad? $100,000? <a href="http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Majed_Atta">demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Majed_Atta</a> Notes: [1] Martino Superette, 2540 Congress St, New Orleans <a href="http://www.neworleansataglance.com/profile_business.php?id=13421&sic_dscr=Grocers%20and%20Grocery%20Stores&city_id=88">www.neworleansataglance.c...city_id=88</a> <hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr> But it was for a grocery store Times-Picayune (New Orleans) June 4, 2004 Friday: Atiya Saleh, Shareef Quattom and Majed Atta have given paperwork to Lincoln County, Miss., officials that indicates that the $27,000 in currency sheriff’s deputies confiscated from the trunk of Mr. Saleh’s Ford sedan March 10 was the down payment for a grocery store Mr. Atta was purchasing. Still, sheriff’s officials are skeptical and say they want to make sure the three New Orleans men weren’t on a money-laundering trip that took them through Mississippi. (...) Among Arab-Americans, Mississippi has a reputation for being a good place to steer clear of, said former Jackson merchant Atta, who is now selling groceries on Congress Street in New Orleans. It wasn't like that before Sept. 11, 2001, said Atta, a native of Jordan who moved to the United States at 16 and attended college in Hattiesburg. His fond memories of the years he spent in Mississippi brought him back to the state in 2001, when he and his family decided to leave Florida, their home for 10 years. <a href="http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/politics/8900481.htm">www.sunherald.com/mld/sun...900481.htm</a> <hr></blockquote> <img src="http://xs32.xs.to/pics/05234/moneyline.jpg"/> Later the $27,000 was returned to Majed Atta. The FBI also said that he was not related to Mohammed Atta. It was a different Majed Atta who happened to live in the same town in Florida ad happened to move a couple of weeks before 9/11. Full issue at: <a href="http://www.madcowprod.com/102204issue.htm">www.madcowprod.com/102204issue.htm</a>

by **albion** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:32 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Pakistan: Still Schooling Extremists By Samina Ahmed and Andrew Stroehlein Sunday, July 17, 2005; Page B07 A conventional wisdom developed, especially in the United States, that Musharraf was doing all he could to help fight terrorism -- Musharraf even became something of a media hero, our brave ally in the war on terrorism. The view that all is well with Pakistan has been bolstered most recently by a World Bank-funded report claiming, against other available evidence, that the country's madrasa sector is smaller than previously estimated and suggesting that the religious schools pose no serious threat. [...] Musharraf's promises came to nothing. His military government never implemented any program to register the madrasas, follow their financing or control their curricula. Although there are a few "model madrasas" for Western media consumption, the extremist ones account for perhaps as many as 15 percent of the religious schools in Pakistan and are free to churn out their radicalized graduates. [...] Those who would still attempt to defend Musharraf's record on fighting Islamist militancy in recent years would point out that Pakistan has captured or killed some 600 al Qaeda members since 2001. True enough, but with an extensive madrasa system left untouched, the key question posed by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's leaked memo from October 2003 comes naturally to mind: "Are we capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrasas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against us?" <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/15/AR2005071501617.html">www.washingtonpost.com/wp...01617.html</a> <hr></blockquote> iirc, at the time of rumsfeld's 'leaked' memo, blog consensus was that he leaked it himself.

Britian Sunday Times-The Pakistan Connection

Britian Sunday Times-The Pakistan Connection

Re: Britian Sunday Times-The Pakistan Connection

This Asia Times article is also good

more from that same infopage - very detailed

us-caribbean-pakistan connection?

US's cynical ploy re: Pakistan as foil, ally, terror cut-out

Re: Britian Sunday Times-The Pakistan Connection

WaPo column - today

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