BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby stefano » Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:02 am

Searcher08 wrote:How did you know VM's husband was an IT entrepreneur and what specifically stopped you from pointing this out to audioslave, who mistakenly thought you were referring to KD, a mistake which took the thread down a wild goose chase and which was easily preventable?

Actually I thought that whole angle was very interesting - who Reese Jones is and how his wife's efforts tie in to what he does or did.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby American Dream » Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:18 am

Searcher08 wrote:
How did you know VM's husband was an IT entrepreneur and what specifically stopped you from pointing this out to audioslave, who mistakenly thought you were referring to KD, a mistake which took the thread down a wild goose chase and which was easily preventable?


There is an article in NewsMakingNews that describes something about him and his business. And I did say, more than once that audio slave's presumption was not true, but this was ignored.

Anyway, not really interested in a back-and forth with you at this time.



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The most central question to me regarding Jimmy Hughes relates to the goal of exposing the Octopus, which is also a goal for Rachel- and one which I would hope that we all share.

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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby psynapz » Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:58 am

American Dream wrote:Anyway, not really interested in a back-and forth with you at this time.

You lose more credibility every time you say this in response to direct, reasonable, repeated questions which reasonably seek to clarify your odd role in this discourse. If you're not interested in back-and-forth, then just WTF are you doing on a discussion board, and why then haven't you killed this identity in favor of a new one and start posting twenty antifascist-sounding news articles a day under that username instead?

American Dream wrote:The most central question to me regarding Jimmy Hughes relates to the goal of exposing the Octopus, which is also a goal for Rachel- and one which I would hope that we all share.

For some, I would imagine, questioning you on matters about which you could easily be more forthright but choose not to is done so in relation to said goal. If you don't want to leave the impression that there's something you're decidedly not sharing with us, thus misdirecting the topical focus from exposing the Octopus, then perhaps you should at least temporarily reconsider your stance on back-and-forth-ism, at least insofar as it may assist everyone else in moving on.

This business of staring at us while waving a pair of fingers over your arm at us, hoping we'll agree that you can go about your business here on Mos Eisley isn't helping to expose the Octopus, buddy.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby American Dream » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:21 am

psynapz wrote:
American Dream wrote:
Anyway, not really interested in a back-and forth with you at this time.


You lose more credibility every time you say this in response to direct, reasonable, repeated questions which reasonably seek to clarify your odd role in this discourse. If you're not interested in back-and-forth, then just WTF are you doing on a discussion board, and why then haven't you killed this identity in favor of a new one and start posting twenty antifascist-sounding news articles a day under that username instead?

The above doesn't seem fair to me. I did make the effort to respond specifically to Searcher's questions. I am feeling very annoyed with Searcher these days and it would be very easy to have things devolve into a pissing contest, which I don't have the interest or energy for. As to my interest in back-and-forth in general, sometimes I am up for this, especially as it related to co-operative research endeavors, and sometimes as it relates to principled debate of important issues. But I don't come here mostly for conversation- that is true. I come here more often to find information that is relevant to my research and to share information that might be relevant to the research of others.

[The preceding added ON EDIT]




I've been thinking about this and I'm realizing I really don't understand the basis of the original rift between Rachel and Virginia and/or Kate.

I'm puzzled as to when, where and how they all first heard of each other and how the animosity which now exists first began.

This really is not clear to me, and I'm also left wondering how much peripheral people who have some kind of longer history with each other might have been a part of bringing things to the point where they are now.

Anyone who has insight or information that is relevant is welcome to share what they've got.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby Col. Quisp » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:42 am

AD wrote:
This just in- from Virginia McCullough to me:



Quote:
From: Virginia McCullough <vmccullough@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, Jan 6, 2010
Subject: My email is vmccullough@comcast.net and my phone number is (925) 862-23623


I still do not want to post directly to RI because, believe it or not, I am dumber than a door nail about posting to such chat rooms. However, I do not want you to be the only “channeler” of the late, great, infamous political whore Virginia McCullough. So please note the subject line and let everyone know, who really cares, that I will personally answer any questions for them just as I do for you and others who contact me directly. Oh, I also forgot a few adjectives that have been applied to me over the past thirty years…….CIA agent, FBI informant, NSA computer expert, Russian spy, Cuban/Castro lover, Charles McVey/Haley’s Comet Soviet spy, Inslaw betrayer, MR assassinator, Ted Gunderson disinformation agent…..etc….etc…..etc. But then I am getting old (at least twenty years older than Kate Dixon) which just goes to prove we are not the same person. And, oh by the way, I am too much in love and too damn lazy to trade Dr. Bob in for any other testosterone laden male out there. Plus I am too old (ask Detective Fitzgerald of the El Dorado County Sheriff’s Office – DesertFae confident) to be of interest to any Terminator type male…………..May I add Thank God!





[Posted with express permission]


Uh. No. I don't believe it. This lady runs a website, and her hubby is some IT geek? And she can't post to a chat board because she's too dumb? How absurd is that? This really is turniing into the new Theremy ARG. I think Nathan said it best on Wednesday.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby American Dream » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:52 am

This lady runs a website, and her hubby is some IT geek? And she can't post to a chat board because she's too dumb?


While VM doesn't run any websites as far as I know, I took that whole piece from which the comment about being "too dumb to post" was extracted from to be intended more as humorous than being literally, factually true...
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:56 am

American Dream wrote:Searcher08 wrote:
How did you know VM's husband was an IT entrepreneur and what specifically stopped you from pointing this out to audioslave, who mistakenly thought you were referring to KD, a mistake which took the thread down a wild goose chase and which was easily preventable?


There is an article in NewsMakingNews that describes something about him and his business. And I did say, more than once that audio slave's presumption was not true, but this was ignored.

Anyway, not really interested in a back-and forth with you at this time.



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I would point out that you used this nonsense with me in the OathKeepers thread, where you said almost verbatim

Anyway, not really interested in a back-and forth with you at this time.

and that you had no more to say on the subject
.... and then posted loads of cut and paste links in the next few days!:D
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby Col. Quisp » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:59 am

American Dream wrote:
This lady runs a website, and her hubby is some IT geek? And she can't post to a chat board because she's too dumb?


While VM doesn't run any websites as far as I know, I took that whole piece from which the comment about being "too dumb to post" was extracted from to be intended more as humorous than being literally, factually true...

How do we know these emails are really from her? We need proof!
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby American Dream » Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:06 pm

Searcher08 wrote:
I would point out that you used this nonsense with me in the OathKeepers thread, where you said almost verbatim

Anyway, not really interested in a back-and forth with you at this time.

and that you had no more to say on the subject
.... and then posted loads of cut and paste links in the next few days!:D



Searcher-

Firstly I would point out that the articles you added were for general consumption, not as a personal communication to you only.

You can PM me about this if you want about the difficulties between us, as I don't want to distract from the focus of this thread.

The facts are I have gotten extremely frustrated with you at times, and communication has definitely broken down.

If we are both willing and able to resolve this, then we should do it, but probably not on this thread...

PM me and we can speak privately and/or on a different thread...
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:17 pm

I suggest we start a different thread...
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby American Dream » Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:21 pm

That's fine, but I would raise the question of whether it should be personal, i.e. about differences between two individuals, general, i.e. about board conflicts whenever and wherever they happen, or what...



ON EDIT: Feel free to just go ahead and start a thread and we'll discuss things over there!
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby audioslave » Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:00 pm

Ok, I figured out what the boyfriend reference was. I read elsewhere about John Paul Nichols Jr. having a girlfriend who was a member of the Cabazon tribe. The problem is, it's very hard to verify anything on the internet. I've started to look into the Sid Siemer versus Richard Hamlin story, for example, and I can find no proof that Siemer was involved with MK Ultra from other than Virginia McCullough's unnamed sources. That's not proof of anything. Just like Dixon's claims of an international pedophile ring operating out of Emeryville.

I also see that Ted Gunderson was hired by Richard Hamlin. I see that Michael Riconsciuto might have been another source of claims against Mr. Siemer perhaps to do with the manufacturing of biochemical weapons. I see Desertfae doesn't have the highest opinion of him either. I'm just saying I need some good sources to get a grasp on these things. I'm not naming names or insinuating anyone is disinfo, I'm simply saying that planted disinfo appears to be a distraction for real investigators such as John Powers.

We also have just had a monumental discrepancy emerge concerning Detective Powers' email. Someone is not telling the truth. How about I describe this as misinformation. I'm not accusing anyone of being a disinfo agent. I definitely believe that there's no way Powers would have written that email, if he though the recipient was going to share it with third parties. That was one heck of an embarrassing email. Virginia either gave it to Nathan Braca with the go ahead for him to broadcast or publish it, or she didn't. It seems to add up what Nathan just said. That she ok'd it being made public as long as her name wasn't mentioned in the report. Who to believe, Nathan or Virginia? Well, I find the following quote from Ms. McCullough very odd.

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/vm,philli ... ,11,07.htm

[Disclaimer: This reporter is a legal runner for the defendant for Philip Arthur Thompson to secure access to the trial. I had been advised that because of my previous coverage of the Richard Hamlin case in El Dorado, the prosecution would name me as a witness in the Betty Cloer murder case to deny me access to the courtroom during the trial. The El Dorado County Jail officials have denied me any communication with Philip Arthur Thompson by phone or mail effective October 8, 2007 and he is not allowed to communicate with me.]


Have there been other occasions where journalists have joined defense teams? The evidence seems rock solid that Thompson deserved being found guilty.

My opinion is that Thompson might have also been involved with Susan Hamlin's claim of being assaulted. I think Richard Hamlin got spooked out. I think the Hamlin case might be the key to figuring out disinfo to do with the Octopus. If someone could ever get to the bottom of that one, they'd be well ahead of the game. So for one, I'd like to see quality proof of Sid Siemer being a bad guy. I'd like to see solid proof against Richard Hamlin. I'm not sure what was up with Susan Hamlin. What were the nature of her injuries and the child abuse allegations? Is there a chance disinfo people used old-fashioned brain washing techniques to send an innocent man to jail? I don't know. I do think this can be figured out. I mean, I think prosecutors should look into this case as a way to unravel the Octopus. It reminds me of Plamegate when Patrick Fitzgerald spoke of dirt being thrown into the umpire's eyes.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby eyepen » Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:12 pm

Wow what an exhaustive read. It took me three days to fully grok all this.

Observations:

Virginia and Kate some sort of weird and off color agenda. Obvious mistakes go unanswered and no apology for them. Giving up sources, which is the big no no for a journalist. So strange...

Barracuda is one sharp toothed fish, and sees through the murky water.

American Dream, why you have not been banned is a mystery. You do not operate in good faith, and within the truth seeking nature of this site. This site would do well without you. You are creepy, just like barracuda said.
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Re: BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

Postby American Dream » Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:30 pm

eyepen you recently showed up out of nowhere, and made a beeline for the Jimmy Hughes-related threads (as did audioslave, fwiw).

Is there any particular reason we should place our confidence in the things you say?
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Postby annie aronburg » Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:35 pm

Are you using the Royal We there, AD or are you speaking for a larger group?
"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.
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