9/11 is Clinton's fault!!!

[Peachtree Pam]

Chiggerbit,<br><br>Karl Schwartz, the Republican who is now a fierce critic of George Bush, wrote a series of articles about the conflict of interests concerning the Caspian Sea pipeline through Afghanistan and the Commission members, all of which appeared in Online Journal. These have now disappeared. <br><br>This link gives a little summary of the conflict of interest for each Commission member and is all I can now find:<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cpr4democracy.com/blog/2005/02/cui-bono.html">www.cpr4democracy.com/blo...-bono.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

KarlB.' One way ticket to Crawford' is an equal opportunity basher as he slams every pol in DC and then some including the busheviks and clintons..he also tole me via email that he delivered to Eliot Spitzers offfice evidence of bush comlicity in 9/11 and the related stock swindles.<br><br>SPITZER another wanna be hero DID NOTHING!<br>but is preparing a Gov run in NY.<br><br>Schwarz book is loaded with references with good sites..He pts out that 9/11 was used in many ways particularly the Afghan invasion to get the pipe line . Caspian Sea reserves are estimated in todays market at about 10 trillion dollars..thats alot of reasons to kill off lots of people<br><br>and who is behind most of these problems??<br><br>why of course that friendly neighborhood crime family..the bushes!! <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

Great links! Thanks, still sifting through it. <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

What happened to Karl Schwarz? He launched himself as a 2008 presidential candidate, there was talk of a left-right coalition being built and lots of money being raised, and so on, and then he was supposedly very close to solving 9/11, which was supposedly perpetrated with the help of remote-controlled 737s and of course the A-3 Sky Warrior. <br><br>The last update on his <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.karlschwarz.com/" target="top">site</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> seems to be <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.karlschwarz.com/Political%20Platform%20of%20Karl%201.pdf" target="top">this</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> "Political Action Plan" of his American Patriot Movement. <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

working in his business..a liltraveling.. talekd with him in July..I will give him a follow-up <br><br>Good reminder<br><br>according to Karl Spitzer is "compromised" his words..so whatever evidence he provided was not acted upon..I will ask him if Fitzgerlad received it but its very intense again according to Karl <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

Thanks for the update, beach. I don't know what exactly to think about Schwarz and his frankly improbable theories on 9/11. I'll have to wait and see if he will present any evidence. Interesting that Online Journal removed his articles. <p></p><i></i>

[proldic]

but come game over,<br><br>the core of the "9/11 Truth Movement" will be shown to have been intricately stage-managed by the very people that caused 9/11.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

Oh, Fintan certainly has a point. His problem is that he suspects <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>everyone</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> who might dare to dissent from his own views of being CIA. I imagine he is a member of some obscure orthodox Stalinist/Trotskyist/Leninist party and is accustomed to that type of "purges" on a regular basis.<br><br>People can be wrong, and people can disagree, without being disinfo agents.<br><br>But yes, I'm suspicious of the "Truth Movement". First of all, they are not getting much closer to the truth, and the clock is ticking. Many have been reluctant to embrace the findings of Daniel Hopsicker, for instance, who has been rightfully disappointed at how the "Movement" has ignored him, while not bothering to conduct any on-the-ground investigations on their own. The point, or at least the effect, often seems to be drawing people into fruitless grassy knollism, obsessions over pods and flashes and exit holes and tower collapses, and then create pointless and endless debates over these issues, which don't bring us any closer to finding the perpetrators (the specific individuals, as opposed to "the government"), which alienate large segments of the population that might otherwise have been interested, and which inspire a certain hopelessness about the vastness of the government/globalist/Zionist/Illuminati conspiracy.<br><br>But I suspect only very few people within the "Movement" are actually consciously spreading disinfo and trying to steer people's inquiries into cul-de-sacs. They have had a remarkable success, though. I don't think the "conspirators" are very worried about what is written on the internet about 9/11 these days. They are worried about Sibel Edmonds, Indira Singh, and other potential whistleblowers, and they would worry about Dan Hopsicker if he received more attention (or any attention).<br><br>I would guess that they (meaning <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>them</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> - or perhaps <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.arlingtoninstitute.org/products_services/home_05.asp">these</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->) waited a while after 9/11, monitoring the net to see what alternative analysis would arise spontaneously and then sent in a couple of "change agents" when they deemed it necessary. <br><br>Who knows if Karl is one of them.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Project Willow]

For whatever it's worth, the majority of folks I know in the 911 truth movement locally are un-treated RAT and/or MC survivors. Same goes for the leadership of some local left parties and activist groups.<br><br>What can you do? These people are consciously well-meaning. If they weren't led to the subjects by their handlers, they were led by some limited awareness of their own extraordinary experiences. I don't have a solution for this problem. <p>PW</p><i></i>

[dbeach]

"But yes, I'm suspicious of the "Truth Movement". '<br><br>well said ..I take em all with a lilsalt<br><br>I like karl but I can't prove if he is legit..heis some guy that I started e-mailing..very polite and sociable BTW.. his son is Iraq Vet so I gave him some advice about VA benefits and Karl thanked me...<br><br>Larger issues Is we are the Truth seekers and we will not be fooled 4 too long!! <p></p><i></i>