Major catastrophe as earthquake smashes Haiti

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Re: Major catastrophe as earthquake smashes Haiti

Postby Gouda » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:23 pm

Clinton 'deeply resents' foreign criticism on Haiti

Clinton told the State Department employees that directions had been sent to US embassies around the world to counter criticism of the Haiti relief effort.

She pointed to the response as a model for the future, saying that the United States should be ready to fight against allegations it sees as unfair.
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Re: Major catastrophe as earthquake smashes Haiti

Postby StarmanSkye » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:31 pm

Hate to be snippy, but I think a LOT of criticism is in order for the apparently grossly inept, inefficient, mismanaged, ill-planned and poorly-executed response. That food and medical supplies are piling-up in the airport, that planeloads of supplies and volunteers have been refused permission to land (although the US military is in absolute control of the airport), that crowds of desperate refugees are gathered at the airplort perimeter-fence, that rescue-operations have been discontinued before many ruins were searched, that homelss refugees STILL lack access to basic shelter, water and food and that too-few relief-supply distributions are hampered by crowds on the verge of panic, are all glaringly-obvious, blatant signs of a horribly insufficient response. 16,000 military soldiers in Haiti? Providing 'security' for immanent riots arising from desperation due to ineffective relief operations? Hard to avoid the conclusion this tragedy is being exploited for a long-term military and economic agenda (disaster capitalism, anyone?).

This ISN'T rocket-science.

There SHOULD have been a huge, coordinated response providing heavy-equipment machinery and support crews, at least 50 field hospitals with 500 emergency tent-shelter cities complete with field-kitchens serving 24/7, with adjoining abundant sanitation, bathing, laundry facilities (appropriate for housing ANY modern, temporary army), electrical field generators, setting up dozens of portable desalination water plants offshore with piping and truck-deliveries to the hospitals and tent-cities. The population of refugees can be organized into work, clean-up, rescue and rebuilding crews once they are assured that basic living needs are being met, so recovering from this huge disaster can begin as efficiently and quickly as possible -- work that will take years to complete and that can serve as a springboard to rebuild the society. WHERE is the necessary short-term let alone long-term vision to make this happen? Or like Katrina, will the opportunity for partnerships across government, military, commerce, and civil society be squandered?
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Re: Major catastrophe as earthquake smashes Haiti

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:58 pm

StarmanSkye wrote:The population of refugees can be organized into work, clean-up, rescue and rebuilding crews once they are assured that basic living needs are being met, so recovering from this huge disaster can begin as efficiently and quickly as possible


StarmanSkye, that's the only bit of your post I would take issue with. The fact is, Haitians had already organised themselves spontaneously to do just what you suggest, with the painfully limited means at their disposal (i.e., mainly their bare hands). Only racists are surprised by this. (NB, I'm certainly NOT saying you're a racist. But the idea that those people are essentially helpless babies is so deeply-rooted in nearly everyone's response to this that it's almost automatic now. It's shockingly widespread even on sites that call themselves 'progressive'.)

Despite being poor, hungry and traumatized, Haitians themselves have saved many more Haitians' lives than the entire US Army contingent has managed in the fortnight it's been there. Haitians have been surving very competently under terrible circumstances for years and years and years. What Haitians now urgently need is imported food, water, medical supplies and heavy-lifting equipment. And the only reason they're short of those things is because their economy (i.e. their lives) has been systematically disabled for two centuries by colonial rulers who've robbed them blind and kept them down while despising them as barely-human savages.

-- work that will take years to complete and that can serve as a springboard to rebuild the society. WHERE is the necessary short-term let alone long-term vision to make this happen?


Ask Haitians! Hardly anyone ever does. (Why not?) The vision is there. (Where else should it be?!) And it's theirs.

Or like Katrina, will the opportunity for partnerships across government, military, commerce, and civil society be squandered?


Well, you call it a squandered opportunity, because you're a decent human being. Disaster capitalists regard it as a golden opportunity grasped double-quick with both hands and very competently indeed. Because that's what it is, for them. Everything's going according to plan.

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Re: Major catastrophe as earthquake smashes Haiti

Postby Gouda » Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:53 am

The following report basically re-affirms everything Mac, and the rest of the thread, is saying above. And I literally bumped into this article by chance when looking for updates on the NJ navy vet/deserter arrested with ammo, maps of Ft. Hood, and a keffiyeh.

Haitians offer to share food, water and stories with American journalists after earthquake

By Bob Braun/Star-Ledger Columnist
January 19, 2010, 9:45PM

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — Nothing new — a group of men atop a collapsed building using whatever tools they have to try to find entombed family members.

But something odd happens when two Americans — les blancs, literally "whites," but a general term here for foreigners — arrive. One of the men gets angry.

"You come here to watch, but that is all you do," shouts the man. "You do not help. You do not bring water. You just watch."

He leaves the pile of rubble. Another man Delva Presendiem, pauses in his hot, exhausting and, ultimately, futile work.

"Do not worry about him," says Presendiem. "Please stay."

The incident was odd because, in six days here, his was the only angry face turned to me and my colleague Matt Rainey. During our brief stay, Haitians — in the worst moments of their lives — were kind, welcoming, and helpful. They opened their homes, offered to share what little food and water they had, and willingly told their stories.

Remember this if you read, hear, or even see accounts of violence or looting. We were all over this city — from Petionville on the mountain to the ghetto of Belair and the shanty town of Cite Soliel — and we did not witness one act of looting or violence.

Undoubtedly, some did occur, but all we saw were orderly, patient queues for water, for food at supermarkets, for medical care.

Haiti is not a violent country. The Canadian Foundation for the Americas put its murder rate in 2007 at 11 per 100,000 population — compared to 23.9 in Newark and 26.7 in the Dominican Republic, the nation that shares the island of Hispaniola with Haiti.

"Haiti stands out in comparison to the rest of the region for low levels of violence," the foundation reported. Most violence is committed by "official actors" — the police and army among them — and 90 percent of all murders in the entire country occur in three neighborhoods in the capital city, it noted.

John Carroll, a physician from Peoria who works here, told me another reason on my first trip here in 2004 in the aftermath of the coup that brought down former President Bertrand Aristide. I was staying with him in a motel in Delmas, and he suggested we go out for beer and pizza. It was after dark, and I hesitated.

"This," he said, tapping on my bare arm. "Your white skin and your American citizenship. It protects you." A group of Haitians with us agreed.

Violence directed at, or in the presence of, Americans would only bring more suffering to Haiti, Carroll said. The U.S. Army occupied Haiti and ran it from 1915-1934 and, according to a U.S. Foreign Policy Association, the occupation was a "failure" because it brought on the subsequent dictatorship of Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier.

But there are other reasons. "Haitian people suffer in patience," says Jean Jacob Paul, a Presbyterian pastor who helped us when we first arrived here. "They share everything, including their misery."

Of course, violence and theft occurs, and they may have occurred here since the earthquake, but we did not see it. On two occasions, we were surrounded by crowds and, to nervous les blancs, the scenes may have looked like incipient riots.

In the sprawling tent city outside the destroyed National Palace, we made rounds with doctors and nurses from Cuba. Homeless Haitians, mostly women, surrounded us, pressing their sick and injured children into our faces, begging for help. I explained we were not doctors, and they backed off and patiently waited for aid.

What would American mothers frantic about their injured or sick children do?

At the Second Baptist Church on Sunday, the pastor introduced us and told more than 100 congregants that we were interested in hearing stories about the disaster. Virtually everyone pressed in on us, handing us their identity cards to make spelling their lyrical but (for me) oddly spelled Creole names easier to write down.

I repeated pas besoin — no need — but it was useless. They wanted to help.

Americans remember 9/11 as a day of unprecedented fear and suffering. Although the disaster here was natural, not man-made, 1/12 affected far more Haitians. At least tens of thousands of people are dead and the nature and magnitude of the carnage has stripped away an important part of their culture.

Deaths are attended with considerable ceremony and large, extended family gatherings. Or were until last Tuesday. Pictures are taken of the deceased — dressed in expensive finery. On my last trip here, I watched helplessly as a 16-month-old baby girl died, apparently of meningitis. Carroll, the Illinois physician, could not save her.

"Now," he said, "her mother will spend a year’s income to bury her. She will wear a dress far prettier than anything she would have worn had she lived."

But, here now, the best that can be done is to wrap the dead in sheets and put them at the curb to wait, often alone, for the wandering garbage trucks to collect them to be dumped in a mass grave. That’s the best — the worst is the unattended corpses dumped on the street or lying half-buried in the rubble of a collapsed building.

Violence? Looting? Maybe some has occurred. Maybe more will. These are people steeped in wretched poverty before the earthquake — and now most have lost someone, they loved but cannot properly mourn. They have nothing to eat and nothing to drink, and they are surrounded by gawking, well-fed, well-watered les blancs, who probably soon will leave and forget Haiti until the next disaster.

What would happen here?
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Re: Major catastrophe as earthquake smashes Haiti

Postby Simulist » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:03 pm

What would happen here?


You know what? Maybe the exact same thing.

The manipulators in major media go out of their way to divide Americans. The message: "Be afraid of your neighbors." After all, "we the people" are easier to rule if we are divided among ourselves.

After 9/11, everyone expected looting and violence among New Yorkers. There was very little of that, surprisingly. And I say "surprisingly" because we've been taught that "the people" (especially "those other people") are dangerous.

"The people" — organized and acting in their own best interests (and not the best interests of their rulers) — are what the ruling class fears the most.

Naturally then, the ruling class hopes to keep us divided from our neighbors.
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Re: Major catastrophe as earthquake smashes Haiti

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:14 pm

Only 130 have been rescued since the quake???

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/_She_s_ali ... 72010.html

'She's alive!' Haitian girl saved after 15 days
Published: Wednesday January 27, 2010






"She has her whole life ahead of her," exclaimed an emotional rescuer after 16-year-old Darlene Etienne was dragged from the wreckage of Haiti's quake after 15 days buried alive.

A French search team pulled the desperately dehydrated girl from a collapsed building in the Carrefour-Feuilles district of Port-au-Prince after neighbours searching in the debris heard a faint voice in the rubble.Related article:Almost half haiti's injured may be children

Dazed rescuers spoke of a miracle as they rested at the field hospital in the capital's Lycee Francais where Etienne was taken for emergency treatment after being slowly extracted from the ruins on a stretcher.

"She just said 'thank you,' she's very weak, which suggests that she's been there for 15 days," rescue team spokesman Commander Samuel Bernes told AFP.

"She was in a pocket surrounded by concrete, completely dehydrated," he added.

"She was treated on the spot, she wasn't able to get out alone."

No one was expecting any more miracles after more than 130 people had already been pulled alive from the ruins in Port-au-Prince since the 7.0-magnitude quake, which devastated much of the capital and killed nearly 170,000 people.Related article: Haiti's child slaves set to swell after quake

Haitian authorities officially called off search and rescue efforts on Friday, saying they wanted foreign aid workers to concentrate on recovery.

Then the French team heard from Etienne's neighbours.

They had partly dug the girl out after they heard her cries, then called the French rescue team to finish the job safely. They had to do relatively little digging to free her, rescuers said.

"When we got there we could only see her scalp. I made the hole bigger, I talked to her. We rehydrated her intravenously and in three quarters of an hour, she was free," said Claude Fuilla, the chief medic with the French civil defence team working in Haiti.

"We don't know if she had water while she was buried. She spoke with great difficulty," he said.

Etienne joins a tiny but extraordinary group of survivors who held out for more than 10 days.

US troops on Tuesday rescued a 31-year-old man, although he may have been buried by a building that collapsed after the earthquake. The troops said he had been trapped for 12 days.

On Saturday, search teams pulled a 25-year-old man out alive after 11 days under the rubble. He had been trapped in a grocer's shop and was able to grab a small amount of food and drink to keep himself alive.

After Wednesday's rescue, Etienne was treated at the scene for dehydration and a weak pulse, and then after the field hospital she was taken to the French navy ship Siroco which anchored off the coast on Sunday.

Colonel Michel Orcel, a doctor at the field hospital, said the girl was "happy" following her rescue.

"She is 16 years old, she is alive and she has her whole life ahead of her. She was speaking, she said that she was happy," Orcel said. "She was worried about her friends but we weren't able to answer all her questions."

He added: "She is in a very advanced state of dehydration. For the moment we have to calm her, tranquilise her, stabilise her. She is very thin and has arterial tension.

"She has undergone a debilitating ordeal. Her return to life must be done progressively but she doesn't have any injuries that would worry us, subject to further investigations," he said.

Hopes of finding more survivors are now fading by the day, especially as Haiti has been rattled by dozens of aftershocks following the initial quake.

Experts say each powerful new tremor diminishes remaining hopes for people buried in rubble, who risk being crushed by masonry dislodged by the new tremors.

Cases of trapped survivors holding out for a week after an earthquake are considered extraordinary, while surviving beyond 10 days is extremely rare.

But the rescue teams are not giving up.

"Surviving for more than two weeks, it's difficult but apparently it's possible," said Sebastien Caussade, another doctor who was waiting at the young girl's beside before the helicopter took her to the hospital ship.
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Re: Major catastrophe as earthquake smashes Haiti

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:04 am

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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