Poll: who thinks last weks earthquake was caused by HAARP

[Joe Hillshoist]

Yeah well perhaps I was being pedantic Nordic.

The thing with all this speculation, really who knows the maths? of the inputs, of the actual process being used, of the signals and carrier signals and all that... thats the only real way to know whats possible.

i accept what you are saying, and also that its well within the ability of the humans on earth now to cause earthquakes by any number of different non em methods. (And I know we have ground penetrating radar too, so I can see some potential, but ... no real mechanism.)

I don't doubt for a minute that there's some pretty funky stuff out there, but the whole field will be mired in disinfo and outright garbage, cos obviously we are talking about powerful weapons in the right circumstances.

I have a friend who was fishing once, 1 and a half km offshore at North West cape/exmouth in Western Australia, where the massive hexagonal array of humungous transmitters is. (Its either a "joint" US/Aus facility or a former US facility, can't remember which.)

He said there was so much energy being generated by the system there at the time they were fishing that they could feel the air buzzing around them 1500m from the shoreline.

He also ended up having a hearth attack at 28, within 18 months of that. he recovered well, cos he is fairly healthy. I always wonder if there was a connection between his exposure and his heart attack.

This all happened about the time harry Mason was investigating for his Bright Skies articles. (Also wrt to him, as of yet the only connection I'm aware of between him and the Bearden Craddock Greer thing is that he is also a geologist employed by the mining industry. I didn't sus out everything about him tho, just looked for an obvious link.

Anyway I'm still wondering about the practicality of these weapon systems, they may well be powerful, but they still appear to be dependant on fossil fuels or other conventional sources of energy to supply their huge appetities for fuel. maybe not an issue for messing with radar or electronics or even the weather.

[chump]

does Lenny Bloom have an opinion? [Preferring not to go check for myself]
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Nevermind, I checked:

January 14: HAITI HAARPIQUAKE: PIERCING-AU-PRINCE-AU-POWER-AU-AIR

on edit (didn't need 24 hours either): Wow Chiggerbit. Good find.

I'm glad that you mention Lenny Bloom. I hadn't heard that January 14 show, HAITI HAARPIQUAKE: PIERCING-AU-PRINCE-AU-POWER-AU-AIR, but I have listened to Bloom and Steele before, and I listened after I read your post. Those guys are hard for me to fathom. It is as though they live in an alternate reality; chatting on and on about many things that I was not that familiar with or even aware of. I have to admit I kind of got into their back and forth banter, talking about the black pope and the white pope, King Juan Carlos of Spain, Vatican Assassins, and of course HAARP - which they called scaler bombs, yukking it up, spouting one outrageous paradigm after another back and forth, so matter-of-factly; as if they have the lowdown on the truth and the rest of us better get with it. Maybe they do; but they're coming out with stuff so hard and fast that I can't hardly keep up, and I'm thinking, Whaa-at! Where did they hear that? They talk like the Haitian earthquake was initiated with "scalar torpedoes" by the "black nobility" as though it is a matter of fact.

From the tone of your post I get the feeling that Lenny Bloom is not to be taken seriously. I'm sure that they must have come up before on the discussion board, but I don't remember. What is their rep? Is that milieu of Bloom and Henneghan and Flocco for real, or are they embellishing the truth with their own brand of conspira-tainment to sell books? Nevermind, I think I know the answer to that question.

However, they mentioned the book, Oblivian, by Colonel Thomas Bearden. I googled it and came up with this: Historical Background of Scalar Weapons by Lt. Col. T.E. Bearden (retd.). I also came accross a review of the book which also described the nature of these weapons.

"So the layman will need to understand that there is a new kind of electromagnetic energy that is altogether different from what he knows, e.g. radio, TV, cell phones, etc. The ordinary EM waves that we have known about are called transverse EM waves, to distinguish them from the new longitudinal EM waves. These scalar waves do not actually exist in our "material" world, but exist only in the vacuum of empty space, or the time domain. And we must keep in mind that this vacuum of space we speak of exists all through everything. Even our bodies are mostly empty space between atoms and molecules. So the gateway to this seething ocean of energy can be there at every point in the universe. This seething ocean of energy is all around us and all through us."

"Emptiness is Full

This amazing discovery announces that the "emptiness" of empty space is in fact not empty, but a great ocean of seething energy!

Col. Bearden refers to this ocean of energy as being of the "time domain." Energy out of time? It seems like something from Star Trek but this is the point which the new science of scalar electromagnetics has reached. And where it is going may be beyond anything Star Trek could have dreamed of.

We live in a 3-dimensional world, which physics calls "3-space." But there is also spacetime, or 4-space, or the "4th dimension." Then suddenly comes this amazing new knowledge that time itself is actually compressed energy. And it is energy which is compressed by exactly the same factor by which matter is considered compressed energy: the speed-of-light-squared!

So we have a new companion to the famous E=mc2. It is now paired with E=tc2 (where t is actually "delta-t," or change in time). Or (amaze your family and friends and) say:

"E equals em-cee-squared"
and
"E equals delta-tee-cee-squared"

It has a nice ring to it, like some freedom bell announcing a new era.

And as the atomic bomb released the compressed energy in matter, so can we now unleash the tremendous energy that is compressed into time itself. It gives a completely new meaning to the term "time bomb." "

When I posted the poll and began to expeditiously research the probability that the Haiti earthquake was man made. I have to admit that the thought had occurred to me almost immediately when I heard the news. Unfortunately, what I considered a remote possibility has now become a plausible scenario.

I harken back to the distant feeling that I had on the day of September 11, 2001; that it might have been an inside job. At the time it was almost inconceivable to suggest that my own government would have instigated such an horrific event, but everything was falling into place so conveniently for the Bush administration that I became more and more suspicious. Sure enough, after a few years it became evident that certain elements within the government were neccesary in order to execute a extremely well planned military type operation and the coverup that followed. And now I have similiar feeling about HAARP and Haiti: 9/11 times a thousand, and hardly anyone even knows what it is.

There was the revelation of the DISA Southcom drill gone live during the event: (http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20100115_9940.php).

"Wilson said JCSE was able to get its gear into Haiti quickly because the systems already were loaded on pallets in Miami in preparation for an exercise that has been canceled."

That was reminiscent of similiar occurances during of 9/11, 7/11, OKC, etc. Then I read of the military occupation characteristics of the "relieve effort":

"The Heritage Foundation think-tank responded within hours of the earthquake with a demand that the US should use this crisis to it's advantage.

Also, the US Military "aid" is looking more like US Military "occupation" as they work much more on "maintaining security" than actually getting aid to the Haitian people."

Wayne Madsen had this to offer: http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish ... 5481.shtml

"President Obama, in keeping with his CIA lineage, has permitted the Pentagon under Robert Gates to take charge of the humanitarian relief efforts in Haiti...

... Gates and his military brass will ensure that Aristide will not show up to threaten Preval’s continuing disastrous leadership of Haiti. It was Gates, who was George H. W. Bush’s nominee to be CIA director, who helped plan the military coup that ousted Aristide the first time in September 1991. Gates, at the time, was Bush’s deputy national security adviser..."

It really appears that the military was ready for an occupation, as opposed to providing genuine relief and assistance. It reminded me of New Orleans. Then, Bush and Clinton make an appearance as the point men for Haitian relief:
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish ... 5491.shtml

Then, apparently, Hugo Chavez stated that the US was responsible for the earthquake and we were just warming up for an event in Iran. The Russian Navy apparently stated that the US was responsible for a series of earthquakes in the region. But who was quoting who?

Then I learned of the other earthquakes that occurred before and after the one in Haiti, including a 5.6 (Richter Scale) in Venezuela, all of them apparently with an epicenter 10km below the surface. Other quakes suspected of being initiated with the technology are a 7.8 in China (2008), a 6.6 in Iran,(2003), and a 7.6 in Kashmir that also affected Pakistan, India and Afghanistan: All of these at a depth 10 km. Coincidence? Whatever.

Intriquingly, the magnetometer (http://137.229.36.30/cgi-bin/scmag/disp ... 0110&Bx=on) readings for the HAARP installation in Alaska apparently indicated an anomaly during the days preceding the earthquake. This has been posted at several sights, including, (http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2010 ... eapon.html), as evidence of it use. Scroll back and forth through the days to see what I mean. Is this significant? Although this was probably first reported by Sorcha Faal(?),who would probably also fit into that milieu mentioned above, there is surely a means that the international community can determine whether or not HAARP was activated in the time period of this and/or other events and whether or not it used as an earthquake machine. If that is the case you can bet that China and Russia and India are aware of what's going on; and don't be surprised if the escalation of these type of events occur even more in the future. Come to think of it, that's also what Bloom and Steele said.

Tesla gave away his "resonance earthquake technology", which he said could "split the world like an apple". He shared it amongst the 5 major powers in the world at the time, so that none of them would have the advantage on the others. Has the US gone rogue or is this the NWO in action? There are dozens of articles presently on the Internet that attempt to assess the possible connection between HAARP and the earthquake in Haiti (for those who wish to follow up). Here are a few of the better ones that I have read. Some of them have been mentioned before. For instance, a good overview can be found in this one by Thierry Maysson:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article163626.html

and also this one from the same author:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article163729.html

For some more historical perspective and a brief analysis these by Jerry Mazza are great:
http://www.onlinejournal.org/Commentary ... mazza.html
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish ... 5495.shtml

And also this: http://exopolitics.blogs.com/peaceinspa ... moret.html

And this: http://www.earthpulse.com/src/subcatego ... subcatid=1

This one was very interesting too:
http://leonoury.blogspot.com/2010/01/ha ... tanic.html.
It gets into the ritual, numerolgical aspects of the event as well as the many possible indications that it was man made. It even mentions something about voodoo. I got this and a number of others off of:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99871

Despite the badmouthing that Icke's name has often incited here, I have this found this particular forum to be full of relevant and well thought out posts and links mixed in the usual crap. I'm not overly familiar with that Website, and I certainly haven't had the time or inclination to read it all, but it kind of reminds me of this place.

Hay, My horse ain't hitched to any wagons. I'm not a physicist. Mine is simply a layman's quest for the truth. If I find that I'm being misled by a massive Internet disinformaton campaign, I'll shift my perspective accordingly. Even though I think I've gotten better at gleaning the truth, who knows what I'll think in five years. I've tried to do a layman's job of briefly laying out the reasons why I am beginning to believe that the earthquake machine is fully operational and being put to use.

I love this quote that Chiggerbit came up with by Secretary of defense William Cohen in 1997:

'Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts.'

Also, consider again ZB's perspective of HAARP back in the the 70's:

"... no matter how deeply disturbing the thought of using the environment to manipulate behavior for national advantages, to some, the technology permitting such use will very probably develop within the next few decades.”

“Unhindered by the restrains of traditional liberal values, this elite [the New World Order of today] would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest modern techniques for influencing public behavior and keeping society under close surveillance and control. Technical and scientific momentum would then feed on the situation it exploits.”

I still don't know if HAARP initiated the earthquake in Haita! Most of my friends and even my family (the ones who will discuss it) are of the opinion that, yes it is possible, but what good is it going to do for me to spend my time looking into it.

This isn't my job. I appreciate that the people here have taken the time to deliberate the question. Trying to write this, I better understand the time and effort and mental torment and skill that it takes to put together a cogent analysis of these weird and complicated and unpleasant subjects. It takes me forever to read, and time just flies when I try to write. Meanwhile, nothing else is getting done! Even if I were to come accross conclusive proof that HAARP was used to set off earthquakes, and I'm sure that has already been determined by somebody; and let's say that I posted it here on RI - then what?

Frankly, if I ignored the news and didn't read the Internet, I'd look up at the con-trails and think, oh how pretty. Life would go on. I could do more constructive things; not bumming everybody out. But, as it stands I look at what has what happened since 9/11. Most people ignored it and hoped it would go away. But it didn't go away. It is like a wound, and if we don't clean it up, the infection is going to grow... Of course that analogy is apropos from many perspectives. Maybe that is what's going on?

Perhaps I could began selling tinfoil (or lead) baseball caps bearing various logos on the Alex Jones show: (http://www.earthpulse.com/epulseuploads ... ontrol.pdf).

I hate to think that the PTB could be gettin' inside of my head!

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BTW, I've been around this website long enough that I'm beginning to understand the temperment of a lot of the most prolific contributors, but if I'm doing or saying something that is inappropriate: Don't be hatin'. Just tell me and I'll adapt. I keep hoping that as I age, the words will eventually pour forth like a fine wine - and that people, and maybe even I will be able understand what it is that I'm trying to say. Hmmm.

[mentalgongfu2]

chump said:

I'm glad that you mention Lenny Bloom. I hadn't heard that January 14 show, HAITI HAARPIQUAKE: PIERCING-AU-PRINCE-AU-POWER-AU-AIR, but I have listened to Bloom and Steele before, and I listened after I read your post. Those guys are hard for me to fathom. It is as though they live in an alternate reality; chatting on and on about many things that I was not that familiar with or even aware of. I have to admit I kind of got into their back and forth banter, talking about the black pope and the white pope, King Juan Carlos of Spain, Vatican Assassins, and of course HAARP - which they called scaler bombs, yukking it up, spouting one outrageous paradigm after another back and forth, so matter-of-factly; as if they have the lowdown on the truth and the rest of us better get with it. Maybe they do; but they're coming out with stuff so hard and fast that I can't hardly keep up, and I'm thinking, Whaa-at! Where did they hear that? They talk like the Haitian earthquake was initiated with "scalar torpedoes" by the "black nobility" as though it is a matter of fact.

From the tone of your post I get the feeling that Lenny Bloom is not to be taken seriously. I'm sure that they must have come up before on the discussion board, but I don't remember. What is their rep? Is that milieu of Bloom and Henneghan and Flocco for real, or are they embellishing the truth with their own brand of conspira-tainment to sell books? Nevermind, I think I know the answer to that question.

I'll answer anyway. Lenny Bloom was one of the first voices I listened to back when I made my entry in the world of parapolitical research and conspiracy culture, when Sherman Skolnick was still alive and they hosted the Cloak and Dagger website, which now redirects to Bloom's current show with Steele.

As to credibility, I'd paraphrase others and suggest you bring along some salt if you're going to listen to Bloom, but that's not to say there's no value there. I came to respect Cloak and Dagger and particularly Skolnick over the years, but there's some ludicrous sounding stuff they have promulgated, and there's a religious angle that Lenny has focused more on since Skolnick died that turns me off a bit.

Apparently Skolnick at one time ran with a story that turned out to be satire from The Onion about G.W. Bush murdering a woman, and for that he has been relegated by some to the scrap pile. I think Jeff mentioned the incident once upon a time in his blog. As to the realm of Hennegan, Flocco, et al., I try to take them on a case-by-case basis depending on which and how many of my BS meeters are dinging. Hennegan has always made me uncomfortable, but more because of his aggressive attitude and incitements to violence. Supposedly he was Skolnick's protege. I have a bad feeling about Flocco, and a real bad feeling about that guy over at arctic beacon. I have varying levels of bad feelings on a lot of the members of said milieu; but that's pretty much a necessary default position for me when hearing about things that are hard to believe, which is what a lot of the milieu involves.

So I don't follow Bloom's show anymore with any regularity, but I do have some respect for what he and Sherman did in the old days, if for no other reason than it is what I cut my teeth on, so to speak. I'm not inclined to speak badly about either of them, but other people have.

For a few months, Bloom did a show with another Canadian whose name I can't recall that was pretty good and much more level-headed. His obscure co-host kind of slowed him down and helped diminish the fast-talking, matter-of-fact assertions. Then Bloom and the host had a falling out and the show disappeared. I emailed them both and got an explanation, but I would have to go look it up as I don't recall the details. Eventually Bloom started this show with Steele, who was an occasional guest on the Cloak. I'm still kind of annoyed that cloakanddagger.de redirects to his new site and the old cloak archives are gone, so I haven't paid much attention to his current work. But I knew he would be talking about HAARP and would probably have some angle no one else was bringing up.

FWIW, in Kurt Vonnegut's last book, Man Without a Country, he makes reference to the Supreme Court decision to install Bush as president and "Mickey Mouse money," a phrase I've only ever heard Skolnick use when describing the alleged dirty dealings that secured that coup d'etat behind the scenes. So I've wondered if he was a fan.

[chump]

Dave Emory is a bit dry and pedantic, but he has posted a lot of good stuff. I saw this today on his Spitfire Website:

http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ ... -weaponry/

I haven't heard it yet but I'm looking forward to it. Show description:

During World War II, Winston Churchill observed that, in wartime, truth is so precious that it should, at all times, be attended by “a bodyguard of lies.” For decades, the United States and former U.S.S.R. researched the possibility of manipulating natural disasters, including earthquakes, as weapons of mass destruction. This type of weaponry was the focus of a treaty between the two superpowers negotiated in the late 1970’s. Yet, despite a growing body of evidence that seismic weaponry may very well be a fact of life in the late 1990’s, officialdom continues to downplay that ominous possibility. This program explores that evidence. In addition to examining evidence of the existence of seismic weapons and/or research into such weapons, the segments highlight the research of Nikola Tesla, who used mechanical resonance to cause a small earthquake in New York City in 1896! After discussion of a press conference given on April 28, 1997 by Defense Secretary William S. Cohen, in which he says that “terrorist nations” are currently developing means of triggering earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and disastrous weather events, the program reviews some of the history of the Cold War research and development of seismic weapons. The broadcast also touches on the Japanese Aum Shinrikyo’s attempt to use Tesla’s discoveries to develop tectonic weapons and their professed belief that the Kobe earthquake was caused by the United States

Thanks mg2 for that about Bloom and Steele.
Ciao.

[Gouda]

What Mac said:

Whoa, careful. Chavez never said it, and there is NO evidence that he believes it.

Truth over delusion: Hugo Chavez did not accuse the U.S. of causing the Haitian earthquake

[Internal source links at original]

On January 19, Spanish newspaper ABC, a newspaper of record in Spain, published a story entitled Chavez accuses US of causing earthquake in Haiti.

The story was quickly picked up by websites around the globe - most quoting Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez as saying the U.S. used a new tectonic weapon to induce the Haitian earthquake. This was, according to Chavez - "only a drill, and the final target is destroying and taking over Iran".

Within the actual story, ABC noted that the information came from an obscure opinion post on the website of a Venezuelan state television channel, VIVE Television. The post referenced a supposed Russian military report on American seismic weapons.

All quotes subsequently attributed to Chavez regarding Haiti and earthquake weapons were in fact direct quotes from this web posting - none of which was ever uttered by Chavez.

Spurred on by the international attention being received by its first story, ABC posted a second article on January 20 under the banner The Secret Weapon to Cause Earthquakes in which it cites Chavez as having blamed the US for razing Haiti.

By the time the story had run its course, it had been covered with varying degrees of accuracy by corporate news channels, foreign outlets eager to accuse the U.S. of another evil deed, and conspiracy websites happy to have their ideas officially validated.

In the end, it serves as one more reminder to those who prefer truth over ideological delusion: there are some subjects for which the myths of journalistic standards will still be displayed - stories about the government of Venezuela are not one of those subjects.

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And an official Venezuelan denial sent to FP's Dan Drezner

UPDATE: I just received the following from a atrategic communications advisor to the Venezuelan Embassy in the United states:

In response to your recent post on Foreign Policy’s website, I just wanted to clarify that President Hugo Chavez never associated himself with the theory that a U.S. weapon had caused the earthquake in Haiti.

The claim was made by a blogger on the website of a state-run yet independent television station. At some point thereafter, someone jumped to the conclusion that President Chavez had agreed or repeated the claim, which is absolutely not true. President Chavez did argue against an increased U.S. military presence in Haiti, but at no point did he question what had caused the earthquake or aligned himself with any conspiracy theories to that effect.