The Plots Thicken

by **LibertyorDeath** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:02 am

by Al Martin The Plots Thicken: David Margolis, Michael Chertoff (Of the Devil) & General Kevin Byrnes Snip on August 9, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said that if the military were deployed inside the United States in response to a terrorist attack, his department, not the Pentagon, would exercise overall control, reports the Los Angeles Times. “The Department of Homeland Security has the responsibility under the President’s directives to coordinate the entirety of the response to a terrorist act here in the United States. And, responding to news reports, the Pentagon has drawn up plans for military action… It ranges from scenarios of crowd control to dealing with radiological or biological attacks.” So what does civilian control of the Pentagon mean? Chertoff, whose name means ‘of the devil’ in Russian, is attempting to further circumvent Posse Comitatus. He is trying to gain control of law enforcement to ensure that the Department of Homeland Security, which will include the Office of Internal Security, the Office of Political Security, and other agencies to be created after Posse Comitatus is overturned, will have a civilian mechanism to control a militarized law enforcement because they don’t want the military to control it. This is what’s going to happen when Posse Comitatus is overturned. They still want civilian control, and you notice where that control lies. Control lies in these skeleton organizations that would become fully effective upon the overturning of Posse Comitatus. The reason this is being done is because they don’t trust the military. They want to have the ability to politicize law enforcement, to use a post-Posse Comitatus, militarized, domestic law enforcement for political purposes. This, in essence, will be a federal militarized police, and they want the ability to use it for political purposes. That’s why they want the control of a militarized police to remain, not simply in civilian hands, but to be in the hands of former Bushonian cabalists, like Porter Goss, current head of the CIA and John Negroponte, head of the new National Intelligence Directorate. These are people who have run illegal covert operations during Bushonian regimes in the past, who acted to cover up Bushonian involvement, and who also selected and went after those who knew too much. This new scheme of civilian Homeland Security control of the military is very similar to the Gestapo during Nazi Germany. Actually, the Gestapo remained a civilian-controlled police agency, and it was under a lot of people’s control. Ultimately, it was under Heinrich Himmler’s control, but command of the Gestapo was broken up. Effectively, in whatever country it operated, it was under the command of the German military governor of that country, like Heidrich, the most infamous of the Gestapo chieftains. What the Hitler regime wanted was to be able to militarize law enforcement but not have it under the direct control of the military because Hitler didn’t trust the military. He wanted a police force with military powers that could be used for political purposes to squash all dissent, to ferret out those who knew too much and eliminate them, to suborn, misdirect, to harass, to intimidate, and to spread fear of all those who had criticized the State. This is what Chertoff effectively is now going to be doing with our law enforcement: to allow for the militarization of law enforcement through the overturning of Posse Comitatus, but to insure that the military doesn’t control it, and that it remains under political control within the Cabal so it can be used for political purposes. The recent dismissal of the four-star general sent a signal. General Kevin Byrnes was a four-star general who was the head of TRADOC (Training and Doctrine Command) in Hampton, Virginia. This never been done. A four-star general has never been dismissed from the service since the rank was created. Furthermore, the dismissal of a four-star general should have instigated Congressional hearings. The Defense Oversight Committee is charged with investigating the dismissal of ranking officers. For example, when both Richard Secord and Jack Singlaub were dismissed from the service by President Carter, there were Congressional hearings held. Now, for a four-star general to be dismissed without any call by the opposition, (in this case, the Democrats) for Congressional hearings and without the Department of Defense providing a reasonable explanation is unheard of. However, this is what you have to look at: What was this guy in charge of? He was in charge of training forces that would ultimately be used for the purposes of suppressing domestic political dissent, and for the use of indoctrination. If the conspiracy theorists’ most recent notion were true, that some sort of a coup d’etat was potentially brewing within the upper echelons of our military ranks, General Byrnes would be the kind of guy that would be necessary to be part of said conspirators. These are people that are specifically trained to seize government buildings, people that are trained in the ability of what’s called, seize-and-hold, sap-and-suborn government buildings that could hold so-called hostile Congressmen and Senators, discreetly. According to published reports, Byrnes has had ‘previous run-in’s’ with Donald Rumsfeld and Steven Cambone, when he was just a Lieutenant General over troop strength cuts. Then Army Secretary Thomas White, who was a former director of Enron, intervened on his behalf, and he received his fourth star. Then White was later fired by the Pentagon Neocons. The troops that Byrnes was training would be those troops that would be used to maintain order and power in the event that the Bush regime exercised its Patriot Act powers to cancel all further elections and simply remain in office and rule by fiat. After Posse Comitatus, NORTHCOM will become a fully funded agency. NORTHCOM, of course, stands for Northern Command, located in Philadelphia. It would become a fifth service branch. A four-star general would head it, who would join the Joint Chiefs as a fifth service chief. This new fifth service branch would be the domestic militarized law enforcement. To get back to Chertoff’s statement, it would be under his command. And here’s the risk. You’ve got to understand it from their point of view. The risk is that, when you overturn Posse Comitatus, you have then given the military sweeping powers to control law enforcement. The Cabal knows that there are many senior officers in the military who are not members of the Cabal and, in fact, are hostile to the Cabal’s intent, particularly in the senior officer rank. That’s why they’re now making a push to retire a lot of the old generals and admirals. There are many in the military that would see a Bushonian regime in a post-Patriot Act III environment with a militarized law enforcement as a threat to democracy in the nation. And they would actually do their duty and oppose it. They would do their duty as they saw fit, which would be to potentially overthrow such a regime. This is a threat of a coup against then. This time next year, we will be in a fully enacted Patriot II and a fully enacted Patriot III environment. And the people will feel further pain from Bushonomics, dissent in the country, which is already at the highest levels it has been since the Great Depression. Civil unrest and dissent will continue to grow. And there are some in the military, who are genuinely naive flag wavers within the senior ranks that will see the Bushonian regime by this time next year as a threat to the democracy of the people. That’s why Chertoff wants to ensure that, in a post-Posse Comitatus environment, the Cabal can still control the most elite domestic units, which are intelligence-oriented, within the military. So the chain of command would be clear to everyone. And the message would be sent in the dismissal of General Byrnes. The Cabal has sent a message that we are very much in charge, that what we intend to do will happen, that all of those who, like Byrnes, will now retire. Byrnes was dismissed as a warning to all senior officers. The Bushonian Cabal simply wants to weed out all senior commanders who would be potentially opposed to the Regime and those who would not consent to the Regime, using their lawful powers under Patriot I, to cancel all future elections and simply rule by fiat. * AL MARTIN is an independent economic-political analyst with 25 years of experience as a trader on NYMEX, CME, CBOT and CFTC. As a former contributor to the Presidential Council of Economic Advisors, Al Martin is considered to be a source of independent analysis for financially sophisticated and market savvy investors. After working as a broker on Wall Street, Al Martin was involved in the so-called "Iran Contra" Affair as a fundraiser for the Bush Cabal from the covert side of government aka the US Shadow Government. His memoir, "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider," (<a href="http://www.almartinraw.com)">www.almartinraw.com)</a> provides an unprecedented look at the frauds of the Bush Cabal during the Iran Contra era. His weekly column, "Behind the Scenes in the Beltway," is published weekly on Al Martin Raw.com, which also publishes a bimonthly newsletter called "Whistleblower Gazette." Al Martin's new website "Insider Intelligence" (<a href="http://www.insiderintelligence.com)">www.insiderintelligence.com)</a> will provide a long term macro-view of world markets and how they are affected by backroom realpolitik. Home <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777/1973043.html">www.livejournal.com/users...73043.html</a> ©2000 - 2005 Al Martin Raw All Rights Reserved

by **Nonny** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:36 am

Michael Chertoff Michael Chertoff was nominated by President George W. Bush to the post of secretary of the Department of Homeland Security on January 11, 2005. He was confirmed by the U.S. Senate by a unanimous 98-0 vote on February 15. Chertoff was born on November 28, 1953 in Elizabeth, New Jersey. The son of a rabbi, he attended the private Pringy School in Elizabeth before entering Harvard University in 1971. He graduated magna cum laude in 1975 and earned his law degree from Harvard in 1978, again graduating magna cum laude. He served as a clerk for Appellate Judge Murray Gurfein and then for U.S. Supreme Court justice William Brennan. He was admitted to the bar in the District of Columbia in 1980 and joined the law firm of Latham & Watkins. In 1983, Chertoff was hired by the U.S. attorney's office in New York City and soon began working on an organized-crime investigation with then-U.S. attorney and future New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani. When Giuliani left that investigation to prosecute a case involving corruption in city government, Chertoff became lead prosecutor in the trials of several organized crime bosses. With successful convictions of the leaders of the Genovese, Colombo, and Lucchese crime families, Chertoff earned his reputation as a talented trial lawyer. He next became an assistant prosecutor for the state of New Jersey in 1987 and, after serving as interim U.S. attorney for the state, was named by President George Bush to the position permanently in 1990. Chertoff remained in the position with the inauguration of President Bill Clinton in 1993, the only U.S. attorney that was not replaced with the beginning of the new Democratic administration. He stayed at the post until 1994, when he returned to the firm of Latham & Watkins as a partner. Beginning in 1994, Chertoff was special counsel to the committee investigating Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton in what became known as the Whitewater scandal. In 2000, Chertoff investigated racial profiling as special counsel to New Jersey's state Senate Judiciary Committee. During the presidential campaign that year, he advised candidate George W. Bush on criminal justice issues. Beginning in 2001, Chertoff served in the Bush administration as assistant attorney general in the criminal division of the Justice Department. During his tenure at the department, he led prosecutions against suspected terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh, and the accounting firm of Arthur Andersen, which was convicted of destroying documents related to the collapse of the Enron Corporation. It was during Chertoff's time with the Justice Department that the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks happened; he was one of the first law officials to advocate treating terrorist suspects as "material witnesses" and detaining them without charging them with a crime. He was also one of the chief architects of the USA Patriot Act (2001). He responded to the charges of civil liberties advocates that the detainees were being treated unfairly by telling a 2002 meeting of the American Bar Association that "we are at war." In 2003, Bush nominated Chertoff to the post of judge for the Third Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals. It was during his confirmation to that post that now-senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) cast the only dissenting vote against him, explaining that she was protesting the way White House staffers had been treated during the Whitewater investigation. Chertoff served as appellate judge until his confirmation as secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. Chertoff has often been criticized for some of the hard-line positions he has taken. He is opposed to allowing judges discretion in the imposition of sentences and has argued that there is no constitutional right for a defendant to be free of coercive questioning by police. His supporters, however, believe that he is well suited to serve in protecting the nation's homeland security. They point out that he has been concerned with the threat of terrorism since long before September 11, 2001. In 1996, he argued in "Tools Against Terrorism," an article in the New Jersey Law Journal, that officials need leeway in the prosecution of suspected terrorists, even if it means limiting some civil liberties. Even critics who oppose Chertoff's aggressive antiterrorist tactics respect his integrity. In a 2003 article for The Weekly Standard, Chertoff questioned the Bush administration's policy of holding "enemy combatants" indefinitely without being charged with a crime. In a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee advocating that immigration officials—rather than the Federal Bureau of Investigation—have greater authority over terrorist suspects, he wrote, "The purpose of detention is not punitive, but is designed to serve the interests of security and discipline within facilities." He said the government "should continue to enforce the message to corrections personnel that . . . detainees are not being held for punishment and should be treated with appropriate respect and restraint." In assuming leadership of the Department of Homeland Security, Chertoff has given up a lifetime appointment to the position of appellate judge on the Third Circuit. He faces the daunting task of overseeing some 22 separate agencies and over 170,000 employees. While Chertoff was sworn into the post of Homeland Security secretary immediately after his confirmation on February 15, he was formally sworn in by Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor in a public ceremony attended by Bush on March 3. Chertoff and his wife, Meryl, have two children. © 2005 ABC-CLIO. All rights reserved. This came from a subscription database -- so no link.

by **dbeach** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:40 am

"Chertoff, whose name means ‘of the devil’ in Russian," dbeach whose name in Ancient Atlantis means " a citizens arrest of the devil" says that Chertoff is yet another chikenhawk traitor who avoided his military obligation while over 58,000 of his peers died in Ho Chi Miens pot party. chertoff is also a dual citzien of Israel and a Mossad agent.. FBI best arrest this one..What a trail of criminals..smiling in plane sight..OH for citizens arrests on this crowd.. wonder how the dope is..?? he shoots the stuff. ain't foolin this VN Veteran. Each event since 11/00 is illegal ...so very soon mickey big bro is out of a job as will be his boss the deserter coward from crawford GOOD FIND LOD!!!

by **Dreams End** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:21 am

Can we do polls on this site? I'm curious about people's response to this scenario. I keep seeing such "chatter" of a brewing military coup. So far, every time I see it, the perspective is that the military is, or will be, the good guys and will act to remove the Bush cabal. This Martin article seems similar...though not really blatantly so. So if a faction of the military does remove Bush from office and take over, given that our military rarely leaves a country in better shape than it was before, who would you root for? 1. Bush and company...because they are true Americans. (Why are you on this forum?) 2. Bush and Company, whom I hate, but the idea of military takeovers and military control of the country is not one that makes me happy. 3. The military guys, as long as they promise to return civilian control as soon as possible. 4. The military guys because democracy is weak and we need leaders who can get things done. 5. Neither, because the whole thing stinks of a staged affair meant to "soften up" our opinion about military rule and martial law. 6. Neither, simply because neither side has shown themselves to have any moral authority. 7. Why the f*&k ar you trying to get me to commit to one side or another? Don't you know they can trace me by my ISP and send me off to a "church camp" somewhere? Sorry I don't know how to make an actual poll...but food for thought. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 9/15/05 9:44 am

by **dbeach** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:42 am

The military is loaded with corruption . no doubt..HOWEVER there are many good officers and retirees and enlisted who see through the bushevik TREASON. HOM MANY? dunno but Tom Flocco and Karl B. Schwarz are saying its about 60% whom are still Patriots and agianst the bush regime... I say the situation has much promise that bush is removeed..HOW ??DUNNO. watch the neo-con war drums beat louder as the Fitzie indictments get ready and that is very soon.. the busheviks can do many obstacles to stop the indicemnets and if they do in fact stop the indcitments ..then the plot will truly thicken... This is after all the most highly organized crime syndicate in the history of civilization....and we the law abiding middle calss need to keep up the group consciousness which is still evolving... My enlightenment is a work in progress as is the exposure of the bush TREASONS.. I remain cautiously optomistic as we enter the HELL phase of existence...I already been in Hell..so Kfasten your Zen best belt and keep your spitis high..The elites HATE positive vibrations and feast mightily on LOOSH.

by **LibertyorDeath** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:34 pm

<a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4770157&mesg_id=4777163">www.democraticunderground...id=4777163</a> Democratic Underground - Great post nonny "I remain cautiously optomistic as we enter the HELL phase of existence" I just choked on my coffee LOL You have great way with words dbeach <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

by **dbeach** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:23 pm

Having been in hell in VN and it was HELL..Kinda scary but had some fun..I do think the bushevik version of hell is gonna be much worse .. BUT we will survive and they willl be held accountable. In war..morale is of paramount importance and we know that the enemy feed off our negativity so try not to feed the reptoid elites.. "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.." was a WW I fighting song...Our weapons being the good works and words that we share and the collective effort to help the masses.. Spiritual solutions for the problems of this very material world shall guide us...

by **Dreams End** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:48 am

I wonder if all this Able Danger talk is the military's way of laying the groundwork for further action against the administration. <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050916/ap_on_go_co/sept11_hijackers">news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050..._hijackers</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Weldon: Atta Papers Destroyed on Orders By DONNA DE LA CRUZ, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 17 minutes ago WASHINGTON - A Pentagon employee was ordered to destroy documents that identified Mohamed Atta as a terrorist two years before the 2001 attacks, a congressman said Thursday. ADVERTISEMENT The employee is prepared to testify next week before the Senate Judiciary Committee and was expected to identify the person who ordered him to destroy the large volume of documents, said Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa. Weldon declined to identify the employee, citing confidentiality matters. Weldon described the documents as "2.5 terabytes" — as much as one-fourth of all the printed materials in the Library of Congress, he added. A Senate Judiciary Committee aide said the witnesses for Wednesday hearing had not been finalized and could not confirm Weldon's comments. Army Maj. Paul Swiergosz, a Pentagon spokesman, said officials have been "fact-finding in earnest for quite some time." "We've interviewed 80 people involved with Able Danger, combed through hundreds of thousands of documents and millions of e-mails and have still found no documentation of Mohamed Atta," Swiergosz said. He added that certain data had to be destroyed in accordance with existing regulations regarding "intelligence data on U.S. persons." Weldon has said that Atta, the mastermind of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and three other hijackers were identified in 1999 by a classified military intelligence unit known as "Able Danger," which determined they could be members of an al-Qaida cell. On Wednesday, former members of the Sept. 11 commission dismissed the "Able Danger" assertions. One commissioner, ex-Sen. Slade Gorton, R-Wash., said, "Bluntly, it just didn't happen and that's the conclusion of all 10 of us." Weldon responded angrily to Gorton's assertions. "It's absolutely unbelievable that a commission would say this program just didn't exist," Weldon said Thursday. Pentagon officials said this month they had found three more people who recall an intelligence chart identifying Atta as a terrorist prior to the Sept. 11 attacks. Two military officers, Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott, have come forward to support Weldon's claims.<hr></blockquote>

by **dbeach** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:52 am

"I wonder if all this Able Danger talk is the military's way of laying the groundwork for further action against the administration." OH for this to be true!!

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