The creepiness that is Facebook

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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Maddy » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:26 pm

What people would be smart not to do with Facebook (and I do use Facebook, and see this all the time) is going into any of the applications that aren't legitimate. And by that I mean, don't click on just anything in Facebook. I have seen tons of people involving themselves (generally out of fear or hope!) in "join this and you'll get that!" and it ends up you're downloading something (because gods know people will put anything on their computers for some reason) that gives you a virus. Legitimate games out of (for example) Zynga may have bots that collect data (that's all over the computer now, you can't escape it anywhere, so no more use being freaked out by it) - but they're not putting out the viruses that idiots that live in their mother's basements are throwing at people with a baited hook - and people are biting all over. This, and the stupid "put this on your profile! someone is doing something somewhere, pass it on!" daily horror stories are the two most idiotic things I have seen yet there. But I suppose that's because so many people are naive about the internet and how it works, or something.

That post about the video games and Skinner box is about right on, by the way. (Said the rat.)
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:59 pm

I hate Facebook as much as anybody, and no longer use it because it kept bugging me to do stuff, but I do not think the Friend suggestions the OP [The OP!... Christ almighty... Sorry, Nordic] is recieving are anywhere near as sinister as they might think. Remember, FaceBook was never supposed to be a global social networking site, open to all. It was supposed to be a social networking site reserved exclusively for the students and graduates of prestigious American universities - hence the CIA involvement in it's inception, and the FBI and DOJ interest in the site nowadays. They used to have recruitment adverts plastered all over it. There was a time when it wasn't a secret.

When you first sign up to FaceBook, they ask you to specify the area you come from - not so much as part of the sign up process, as to identify which university you come from. Then they check the recorded actions of your FaceBook profile (NOT YOUR SIGNUP EMAIL) and suggest to you that you might share similar interests with certain people from the area (campus) that you specified when you signed up. The real problem with FaceBook is that it still thinks you are a member of Phi-Beta-Kappa, and that your Aunty is a member of .. I dunno... whatever they call Sororities nowadays?

Al Qaeda?

And it sees that you and your Aunty share interests. It's trying to matchmake in the clumsiest way possible, taking no account of normal human feelings. The truth is that FaceBook suffers from an autistic-spectrum-disorder.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Saying that, though, I haven't used FaceBook in two years, and wouldn't sign inb if you if you paid me.
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Username » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:03 pm

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Yikes! It's all coming back to me now.
This article needs it's own thread, along with some serious discussion.

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I've never been a subscriber to facebook.

If you can, do take the time to watch the Rachel Maddow video, because someone should be going to jail over that scam. Honestly.
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:28 pm

This sort of thing caused games researcher Nick Yee to once call Everquest a "Virtual Skinner Box."


Aye, but even years before that, the players were calling it EverCrack... They knew what they were getting into.

Still, games can be addictive and harmful. Especially really shite ones.
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Nordic » Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:52 am

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:I hate Facebook as much as anybody, and no longer use it because it kept bugging me to do stuff, but I do not think the Friend suggestions the OP [The OP!... Christ almighty... Sorry, Nordic] is recieving are anywhere near as sinister as they might think. Remember, FaceBook was never supposed to be a global social networking site, open to all. It was supposed to be a social networking site reserved exclusively for the students and graduates of prestigious American universities - hence the CIA involvement in it's inception, and the FBI and DOJ interest in the site nowadays. They used to have recruitment adverts plastered all over it. There was a time when it wasn't a secret.

When you first sign up to FaceBook, they ask you to specify the area you come from - not so much as part of the sign up process, as to identify which university you come from. Then they check the recorded actions of your FaceBook profile (NOT YOUR SIGNUP EMAIL) and suggest to you that you might share similar interests with certain people from the area (campus) that you specified when you signed up. The real problem with FaceBook is that it still thinks you are a member of Phi-Beta-Kappa, and that your Aunty is a member of .. I dunno... whatever they call Sororities nowadays?

Al Qaeda?

And it sees that you and your Aunty share interests. It's trying to matchmake in the clumsiest way possible, taking no account of normal human feelings. The truth is that FaceBook suffers from an autistic-spectrum-disorder.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Saying that, though, I haven't used FaceBook in two years, and wouldn't sign inb if you if you paid me.



No. I see what you're saying, but no. I'm saying the ONLY way this particular person would have been suggested to me is through having access to either my e-mail, or that of the other party. There's simply no other way they could have made the suggestion.

And I've seen it with other people, too.

It's explained through those "aps" and those stupid fucking quizzes and tests they get people to take ("What kind of sandwich are you?") where you must click something that lets them into either your own computer, and thus your address book or your e-mail history, OR your e-mail server, where they mine everyone you've e-mailed.

In my own case, I have never taken one of those stupid quizzes, or downloaded one of the aps. They're idiotic. But everybody else seems to do them all the time. Having no idea they're being probed.

And it's absolutely creepy.

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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Nordic » Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:52 am

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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby §ê¢rꆧ » Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:09 am

So: I'm sure you are seeing all those Facebook logins everywhere, for any number of unrelated web pages. Sign up to use the service OR login with your facebook credentials.

I think if it continues in this way, we will be required to have a facebook to use the web effectively. If not facebook, then google people, or whatever.

I have a client who loves facebook, she admitted it was a 'voyeuristic pleasure,' and she's not one particularly interested in computers. It's growing because it is popular, and it fills a need, I think. You all are right about the apps being the main problem, but people need to see the value of their privacy first before they can care that they have just given up their address book and everyone's email that they know.

It might be in everyone's interest to have a facebook and to fill it with misinfo. Befriend random people and create multiple accounts. In the end, if you don't have a facebook you might be more conspicuous than if you do have one.
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Nordic » Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:17 am

§ê¢rꆧ wrote:I think if it continues in this way, we will be required to have a facebook to use the web effectively. If not facebook, then google people, or whatever.
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I've had the same thought lately. It's become something that people expect of you, and once that happens, well, it's like a cell phone, you're just "supposed" to have one.

And in my line of work (one of them anyway) you're just expected to be on Facebook. I think it's stupid, it reminds me of AOL circa 1994, only with more pictures, but whatever.

But yeah, it's really taking over and you have some good ideas about this.

What's strange, too, is just after starting this thread here, I was "friended" by a woman who I don't know, some kind of slutty-looking trashy chick trying to "friend" me. Sure, I'm paranoid. And I'm sure she wasn't a chick.

Another thing they do is they try to lure you into some system where you can see who has looked for you. If your'e a guy, they put this little ad up with a succession of extremely sexy hot women and the headline "find out who's looked for you" or something like that. If you're a chick, they do the same with some ridiculously hot looking guy.

The whole thing is creepy.
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Maddy » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:20 am

You can also fix it so that no one but your friends can see/access you/your page/s. This doesn't stop the bots, and it doesn't stop them using the Eschelon-style system of monitoring you, but it does stop those trashy women you suspect may not be women at all! :lol:
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Penguin » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:39 am

Nordic, hiya there, pretty boy!
Wanna be my "friend"?
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:32 am

I use facebook, but certainly not the apps or games or anything like that. Pretty much strictly to stay in touch with my real-life network of friends in the city, and other people internationally in my profession that I've met at conferences and can share industry news with. I've never had a fishy friend request, they are always someone with whom I share a dozen or so mutual friends.

However, I'm completely aware that the nature of my social situation is based off of music / art / culture and is unique to my situation. In other words, with almost all of my friends, I share about 50-80 mutual friends. Everyone knows everyone else within my group, which leads to me feeling secure (maybe falsely so).

For whatever reason, (and it might be related to my profession), I view technophobes the same way I do philistines.
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby brekin » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:16 pm

nordic wrote:
I've had the same thought lately. It's become something that people expect of you, and once that happens, well, it's like a cell phone, you're just "supposed" to have one.

And in my line of work (one of them anyway) you're just expected to be on Facebook. I think it's stupid, it reminds me of AOL circa 1994, only with more pictures, but whatever.

But yeah, it's really taking over and you have some good ideas about this.


Totally agree with this. Facebook really isn't the problem though; it's co-workers, friends and families pushing it. There is always going to be nefarious shit out there but I'm amazed at the number of people who push something they know nothing about. It's like the guy at work who has these really great pills he got from his friend and thinks they are the greatest and he's not sure what they are called but you just got to try them, ...

I really see Facebook more as a drug then anything else. I know a guy who's wife recently left him and he was telling his story to his barber and the barber told him that he was the third guy in two weeks who had the same story: Wife started hanging out on Facebook, behavior changed, friends changed, life changed. Now shit like that happens all the time, but I think Facebook feeds into the worst junior high part of people and has taken the lame high school yearbook mentality and extended into perpetuity. And as far as creating or building community I think it does the opposite. Have you noticed how many conversations revolve around Facebook now? It's worse then a SNL skit no one saw. Have you tried hanging out with people these days? How many are taking cell phone calls, texting, updating their page, tweeting, and updating everyone else about it? Its like people don't have lives and interests anymore, they have screens they talk about that contain these things. I feel like I'm not talking to them anymore directly but their receptionist.

One more rant and then I'm done. I was in a store and three friends in their 20's-30's were discussing something and one friend was getting increasingly agitated so she said as she left them, "I can't deal with this right now, I'll talk to you guys later on facebook or something."

Talk to the screen.
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby DeltaDawn » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:49 pm

I joined Facebook to keep up with my son, his page told me more than he was haha!! Note: no apps or games are gone to, nor did I give them access to my address book when joining, or any other time. How friends are suggested doesn't seem odd, because thus far we've always had friends in common. My biggest disappointment has been how people/friends are, some are folks I only know in a chat room and they follow me around to other's walls and comment on what I've said to my kid, or neighbor etc. One guy won't speak to me, because he followed me on FB, and accused me of being someone I wasn't in chat, because I'd written wtf on someone's wall. I volunteer in the county and clients question me when I come to their houses about who so and so is from FB. It's a little like getting stalked but guess I asked for it because I joined it to spy on kid :(

What is a little creepy is because of the volunteer work, if someone from this county requests friends, I feel obligated in case I've met them and can't remember or they need me. BUT, I've got probably 5 or 6 people on there, that truly I don't have a clue who they are, aren't familiar with their interests etc. some send me flowers and hearts (that I don't accept) and aren't friends with any of my other FB buddies. How did they find me?? It would be easy enough to ask them how they know me I guess but who wants to pm someone with that question and let alone make a contact with them? My status is always about gardening or basketball, which doesn't encourage communication :)

Maybe it's not facebook that's creepy, maybe it's people :lol:
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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby Maddy » Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:04 pm

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Re: The creepiness that is Facebook

Postby crikkett » Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:17 pm

Nordic wrote:David Fincher just finished shooting a movie about the origins of Facebook. Now why would that be? Why would anyone want to make a movie about the origins of Facebook?


I wonder if the movie makes a big deal that the precursor to Facebook was primed with data stolen from Harvard University Residences or how he used Facebook data to hack into reporters' private email accounts.

he decided to access the email accounts of Crimson editors and review their emails. How did he do this? Here's how Mark described his hack to a friend:

Mark used his site, TheFacebook.com, to look up members of the site who identified themselves as members of the Crimson. Then he examined a log of failed logins to see if any of the Crimson members had ever entered an incorrect password into TheFacebook.com. If the cases in which they had entered failed logins, Mark tried to use them to access the Crimson members' Harvard email accounts. He successfully accessed two of them.

In other words, Mark appears to have used private login data from TheFacebook to hack into the separate email accounts of some TheFacebook users.

In one account he accessed, Mark saw an email from Crimson writer Tim McGinn to Cameron, Tyler, and Divya. Another email Mark read was this one, from Crimson managing editor Elisabeth Theodore to Tim McGinn:

From: Elisabeth Susan Theodore
To: Timothy John McGinn
Subject: Re: Follow-up

OK, he did seem very sleazy. And I thought that some of his answers to the questions were not very direct or open. I also thought that his reactiont o the website was very very weird. But, even if it's true so what? It's an [redacted] thing ot od but it's not illegal, right?
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