Top Al-Qaeda figure = MI5

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Top Al-Qaeda figure = MI5

Postby Dreams End » Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:26 am

Pardon me, but I think your limited hangout is showing. Still, even for a LIMITED hangout...ouch!<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Al-Qaeda cleric exposed as an MI5 double agent<br>By Daniel McGrory and Richard Ford<br>Allies say warnings were ignored<br><br>ONE of al-Qaeda’s most dangerous figures has been revealed as a double agent working for MI5, raising criticism from European governments, which repeatedly called for his arrest.<br><br>Britain ignored warnings — which began before the September 11 attacks — from half a dozen friendly governments about Abu Qatada’s links with terrorist groups and refused to arrest him. Intelligence chiefs hid from European allies their intention to use the cleric as a key informer against Islamic militants in Britain.<br><br>Abu Qatada boasted to MI5 that he could prevent terrorist attacks and offered to expose dangerous extremists, while all along he was setting up a haven for his terror organisation in Britain.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Among the scores of young militants who came to visit him in London was the chief suspect in the Madrid train bombings.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> His followers also included people who wanted to be suicide bombers for al-Qaeda, such as Richard Reid, the shoe bomber.<br><br>A special tribunal that has investigated his operations in Britain described him as “a truly dangerous individual”. A ruling by the Special Immigrations Appeals Commission revealed yesterday that there was evidence to show that Abu Qatada “has been concerned in the instigation of acts of international terrorism”.<br><br>A security source in Madrid said yesterday: “Who knows how much violence and bloodshed could have been prevented if Britain had heeded the warnings about this man a long time ago.”<br><br>With terrorism at the top of the agenda at the European Union summit today in Brussels, Tony Blair is bound to be asked about MI5’s history with Abu Qatada and other militant clerics who have used Britain as their base.<br><br>Spain, France, Italy, Germany, the United States and Jordan all asked to question Abu Qatada about his links to al-Qaeda but were refused.<br><br>Instead, MI5 agents held three meetings with the cleric, who bragged of his influence among young Islamic militants and insisted that they were no risk to Britain’s national security.<br><br>He pledged to MI5 that he would not “bite the hand that fed him”.<br><br>He also promised to “report anyone damaging the interests of this country”. Instead, he was recruiting for al-Qaeda training camps.<br><br>His continued liberty for years after international demands for his arrest was an embarrassment for Britain. When David Blunkett introduced his controversial Anti-terrorism Crime and Security Act, 2001, which allowed him to detain foreign suspects without trial, Abu Qatada claimed that the law “was enacted with him particularly in mind”.<br><br>He disappeared from his family home in West London just before the law came into force.<br><br>Indignant French officials accused MI5 of helping the cleric to abscond. While he remained on the run, one intelligence chief in Paris was quoted as saying: “British intelligence is saying they have no idea where he is, but we know where he is and, if we know, I’m quite sure they do.”<br><br>Almost a year later Abu Qatada was found hiding in a flat not far from Scotland Yard.<br><br>Abu Qatada was appealing against his continued detention in Belmarsh top security prison, but Mr Justice Collins ruled that the cleric was “at the centre in the UK of terrorist activities associated with al-Qaeda”.<br><br>He is a Jordanian national who arrived here with a forged United Arab Emirates passport in September 1993 claiming asylum.<br><br>Jordan told Britain that he had been convicted for terrorist attacks in Amman seven months before September 11.<br><br>Spanish investigators produced evidence that a militant they had in custody in Madrid — Abu Dahdah — had visited the cleric more than 25 times, bringing him money and new recruits.<br><br>Abu Qatada was banned by most mainstream mosques, so held his own meetings at the Four Feathers Club, near Baker Street in Central London. His lawyer says that he “entirely denies” any involvement with terrorism.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-1050175,00.html">www.timesonline.co.uk/pri...75,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Top Al-Qaeda figure = MI5

Postby Qutb » Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:36 am

From March 2004. Amazing that it hasn't received further coverage. It shouldn't be <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>that</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> difficult to put the peieces together... But then, the British government has that handy "D-notice", which means that Tony & Co can simply tell the British press "stay away from that". <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
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Re: Top Al-Qaeda figure = MI5

Postby antiaristo » Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:40 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The bombings of Madrid planned for 8 march were a direct attack on Spanish democracy and the popular sovereignty. You know now that the United Kingdom is not a democracy under the control of the people, but an autocracy under the control of the Queen. You know now that crimes are committed by privateers/pirates like Archer and Thatcher under license of that queen. You know that the Madrid terrorists were in contact with London. You know now that the coup in Equatorial Guinea was planned in London. We were indeed fortunate in that the courageous actions of black-skinned people saved our own white skins: it was a true act of God.<br><br>Do you see now the dangers inherent in secret societies, and why Article 22.5 of the Spanish Constitution forbids such secret societies? Hundreds of people were always going to die at Atocha. But God’s miracle is that the actual victims did not die in vain. They died that their country might be spared a neofascist dictatorship exported from London.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Top Al-Qaeda figure = MI5

Postby Qutb » Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:57 am

I still don't know what to think about your "Windsor dictatorship" theory, Antiaristo, but it's certainly interesting. And the pieces do fit together, somehow... but you're the only person I've ever encountered who has espoused this view of the world, and confirmation of it from other sources is not easy to find, so you'll forgive me for retaining some scepticism.<br><br>That aside, I think you may be right about the connection between the Madrid bombings and the failed EG coup. "London" seems to be the common denominator... <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
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Re: Top Al-Qaeda figure = MI5

Postby dbeach » Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:12 am

the whole Alqaeda scenario is one huge scam <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Top Al-Qaeda figure = MI5

Postby thumperton » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:25 pm

type 'Londonistan' into Wikipedia and it gives you a laundry list of the various militant muslim groups headquartered in the British capitol, and it becomes glaringly obvious that the anglo-american establishment is running a protection racket, not a war on terrorism. <p></p><i></i>
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whole Alqaeda scenario is one huge scam: Kamal Adham

Postby emad » Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:02 pm

started it all. Former top Saudi spook and head of Saudi intelligence, he had many financial/business interests with disgraced UK Tory minister JONATHAN AITKEN, who was sent to the slammer for perjury. <br><br>Officially these companies were arms-related but many were just money-laundering fronts for bankrolling 'unofficial' MI6 agents and 'eyes and ears' in the Middle East during the Thatcher/Reagan era.<br><br>Adham also sat on the board of BCCI and was later instrumental in the negotiations of the
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Re: Top Al-Qaeda figure = MI5

Postby * » Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:17 pm

<br><br> Change the preposition from 'on' to 'of' and the picture comes into focus: <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>War Of Terrorism</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. Funny what a tiny adjustment will reveal.<br><br> I'm onboard, now, with antiaristo. Took me 4 years to get here but I came in late and without the libretto.<br><br> Actually, there are a number of sources which finger Queenie and the CityofLondon. It's just that they often come off looking like nut jobs. You have to wonder what it does to a human, over time, to be able to see but not be heard. In the 4 years I've been actively trying to educate people, I've had very few 'converts' and my thesis has been much simpler and less wild-eyed (to me, at least).<br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=1tal>1 tal</A> at: 9/30/05 12:50 pm<br></i>
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Re: Top Al-Qaeda figure = MI5

Postby * » Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:54 pm

<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.uruknet.info/pic.php" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=55&p=16296&s2=30">British Terrorism in Iraq</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>September 30, 2005<br><br>By Dr. Elias Akleh<br><br>It had been long known to the Iraqis, to the Arabs, and to all Moslems in countries bordering Iraq that the majority of the terrorist attacks in Iraq, especially car bombing, are perpetrated by covert British, American, and Israeli operatives. It is also well known to them that the terrorist Abu Musab Al Zarqawi and his �Al-Qaeda in Iraq� are just inventions of the coalition forces to justify their existence. More and more evidences are coming out of Iraq to support this fact. The arrest of two undercover British SAS operatives last week, disguised as Arabs trying to plant a car bomb in the middle of Basra during the Karbala Festival, which draws as many as 3 million pilgrims to the city, is just the latest of such revelations.<br><br>In previous article - �American Terror Strategy in Iraq�, published first week of last August) I wrote about the American covert terrorist activity in Iraq aimed at inciting civil war and alienating Iraqi resistance. The good citizens of Great Britain and US, including their troops fighting in Iraq, would not believe that their governments would do such terrible acts. After all these two countries are sacrificing the lives of their young troops to liberate Iraqis and not to murder them. The article was criticized harshly by American troops, who served in Iraq, and claimed that they were helping Iraqis re-building their lives. Yet many other Americans and Britons � troops as well as independent reporters � speak loudly about the African, Latin American, American and British mercenaries operating in Iraq and are paid thousands more than the regular troops to perpetrate the terror attacks. British and American leaders had lied their troops into the war in Iraq. Studying history one discovers a long history of these leaders deceiving their people and leading them to terrorize other countries.<br><br>The two British operatives, arrested by Basra police and later freed by a British military operation, were identified by the BBC as �members of the SAS elite special forces� (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/424614.stm). They were disguised by wigs and Arab dress. Iraqi sources reported that the Iraqi police were watching the two, and when they tried to approach them they shot two policemen and tried to escape the scene. The Iraqi police chased and captured them, to discover large amount of explosives planted in the car, which apparently was planned to be remotely detonated in the busy market of Basra. The SAS involvement in Iraq was discovered on the 30th of January 2005 when an RAF Hercules plane crashed near Baghdad killing then British servicemen after dropping off fifty SAS members north of Baghdad to fight Iraqi guerillas.<br><br>SAS (Special Air Service) is a secret regiment in the British Army. It was formed in 1941 to conduct raids behind the German lines in North Africa. At the present it forms part of the United Kingdom Special Forces alongside the Special Boat Service and the Special Reconnaissance Regiment. The role of the SAS includes intelligence gathering, behind enemy lines target attacks, counter revolutionary warfare, guarding of senior British dignitaries, conducting military missions without official British Government involvement, training special forces of other nationalities, and counter-terrorism operations.<br>The SAS conducted many military missions throughout the world. From 1958 � 1959 they fought the anti-sultan rebels in Jebel Akhdar in Oman. They also fought against another insurrection in Dhofar, Oman in 1970 - 1977. They fought Indonesian-supported guerillas during the Indonesia-Malaysia confrontation in Borneo in 1963 � 1966. They operated in Aden in 1964 � 1967 before the withdrawal of the British troops. During the Falklands War in 1982 SAS were involved in covert operation in San Carlos before the landing of the main British forces. In the Gulf War of 1991 they were deployed deep behind the Iraqi army lines to destroy Scud missiles launchers and to gather intelligence. It was also reported that they had set fires to the Kuwaiti oil wells.<br>Some of the SAS had helped Afghani fighters during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan during the 1980s. They also had special training camp in Scotland to train them on shooting down Russian Helicopters. <br> The SAS was deeply involved in the British conflict in Northern Ireland since its start in 1969. At the beginning they operated openly in their own uniform, and later on they planted moles in the IRA, who were involved in terror bombing. The well known August 15th, 1998 Omagh bombing attack, which killed 29 civilians was done by an SAS double agent as reported by Sunday Herald (http://www.sundayherald.com/17827). The Paper also reported the confession of another SAS member, who operated as an IRA mole from 1981 to 1994 while on full British army pay. He helped to develop a new type of bomb activated by photographic flashes to overcome the problem of IRA remote-control devices being signal jammed by army radio units. (http://www.sundayherald.com/print25646). Another mole, known by his codename �Stakeknife�, was still active in December of 2002 as one of Belfast�s leading provisionals. His military commander �allowed him to carry out large numbers of terrorist murders in order to protect his cover within the IRA�. (http://www.sundayherald.com/29997). In late 2002 the paper reported reliable evidence that the British army had used its moles in terrorist organizations to �carry out proxy assassinations�, such as the case of the human rights activist Pat Finucane, who was murdered in 1989 by the Protestant Ulster Defense Association (UDA). The mole supplied the UDA with necessary information to assassinate Finucane. (http://sundayherald.com/29997).<br>Car bombings in Iraq started few months after the occupation. The first attacks were directed against the U.N. Headquarters in Iraq prompting the U.N. to withdraw its employees. The Red Cross and the Jordanian Embassy were also initially targeted. Later on car bombing targeted several mosques and religious leaders, and lately the fragile Iraqi Police became the main target. Oddly enough the common denominator in these attacks is that they targeted exclusively Iraqis rather than the occupying forces. It does not make any sense for Al-Qaeda and Al-Zarqawi, allegedly came to Iraq to fight Americans, to attack Iraqi civilians and Iraqi police. In doing so the occupying forces find excuses to stay longer in Iraq. As Bush and Blair continue to remark that since the Iraqi Forces are very week and could not defend the Iraqi against terrorist, it is imperative for the British/American troops to stay in Iraq in order to fight terrorists and help Iraqis defend themselves.<br>There is a common belief that these car bombings are orchestrated by foreign forces (Americans, British, and Israelis) in Iraq to spread chaos. Imad Khadduri, the Iraqi-exile physicist, reported of Arab drivers discovering bombs planted in their cars after being stopped and interrogated at an American checkpoint. Baghdad Burning blog reported in May 2005 of eyewitnesses to American patrols planting bombs in Ma�moun area in west Baghdad. Abdel Hadi Al-Daraji, Al-Sadr�s top official in Sadr City, accused Britain of plotting to start an ethnic war by carrying out car bombings targeting Shia civilians and then blaming the attack on Sunni Arabs. He said: �Everyone knows the occupiers� agenda. They are in bed with the Mossad (the Israeli secret service) and their intention is to keep Iraq an unstable battlefield so they can exploit their interests in Iraq�. Sheik Hassan Al-Zarqani, a spokesman for Mahdi Army militia described the two British SAS operatives as terrorists. He stated that the Iraq police found weapons, explosives and remote control detonators in their car. He explained �We believe these soldiers were planning an attack on a market or other civilian targets�. The quick fierce action of the British army to release the two SAS operatives before being interrogated tends to support the view that this incident has deeper implications beyond what appears on the surface.<br><br>The general attitude of many Iraqis could be summarized in a statement made by a Shiite man. He said: �I believe it is the Americans who are doing this, pretending it is Sunnis, so there will be a civil war and they can control our wealth.� International reporters, such as the American journalists Dahr Jamail and Juan Cole, started viewing car bombings through the Iraqi point of view.<br>When asking the important question of who benefits from these car bombings, we discover that the only beneficiaries are the occupying forces. Blaming car bombings on Iraqi resistance the Americans are trying to drive a wedge between the resistance and the sympathetic Iraqis. By bombing Shiite mosques in one day and Sunni mosques in another they are trying to incite hatred between the two religious factions. Civil war and division of Iraq is the ultimate goal of the occupation. Bush�s and Blair�s speeches are geared towards planting seeds of religious conflict. Corporate-owned media on both sides of the Atlantic seem to cultivate these seeds and repeatedly report that car bombing attacks causing casualties among Iraqi civilians are pushing Iraq towards a civil war between Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds. To incite more religious hatred between the groups the corporate media report of �alarming ethnic cleansing� of Shiites in the predominantly Sunni Baghdad neighborhoods. To exacerbate the situation the American army has been deploying Kurdish Peshmerga troops and Shiite militias in their attacks on Iraqi cities, lately in Tal Afar and Ramadi, killing Sunnis and destroying their houses in a manner designed to inflame ethnic hatred. The policy is to divide in order to conquer, and the ultimate plan is to partition Iraq into three warring three ethnic sections; Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish. Such division entails civil war and ethnic cleansing on a massive scale to weaken any merging Iraqi government, so that it could not demand the withdrawal of the occupying forces. The division of the Yugoslav Federation in the 1990s into smaller weaker states has been taken as a model to slice Iraq. This plan falls perfectly within the Israeli strategic goal, proposed in 1982, of dividing Iraq, the strongest Arab nation, into three warring ethnic states. The same policy can be seen In Israel�s attempt to incite civil war between PA on one side and the other Palestinian factions on the other side.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br> Very weird to come back and see a picture of Saddam on my post when what I <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>posted</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> was the Bush-Zarqawi pic which (I hope) iis up there now.<br><br> And again: Bush- Zarqawi picture is unpostable (at least by me). You'll have to click on the link to see it.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=1tal>1 tal</A> at: 9/30/05 1:51 pm<br></i>
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Me too

Postby rapt » Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:56 pm

I better take this opening - thanks 1tal - to add that I have been with antiaristo almost from the beginning, I mean as soon as I read some of his posts over at MOA and figured that he wasn't a scam.<br><br>It does take a while to digest that Her Majesty is a reptile, but gawd there are so many around us now - the lump is fully swallowed now and I feel just fine. Still a few questions tho. I'm sure the queen can't be the boss reptile so who is it? So much more to study... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Me too

Postby dbeach » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:04 pm

boss reptile cold be anyone but my bet is on wolfowtiz<br><br>a chikenhawk traitor whom stays near the money/power and acts so pompous<br><br>there are so many qualified candidates for the title <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Me too

Postby dbeach » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:07 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://bushspeaks.com/home.asp?did=145&dir=b">bushspeaks.com/home.asp?did=145&dir=b</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>wolfie at his best and ....I am not jokin..<br><br>he is the lizard king <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Top Al-Qaeda figure = MI5

Postby antiaristo » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:52 pm

HTML Comments are not allowed <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 9/30/05 2:04 pm<br></i>
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according to Icke...

Postby zangtang » Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:05 pm

its a fella called PINDAR - tho i believe thats his occult name or office title - cant recall if Icke names him directly.<br><br>only person the queen is afraid of apparently<br><br>(i take it with a pinch of salt, but yea, believe she is the most powerful woman in the world) <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Top Al-Qaeda figure = MI5

Postby Qutb » Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:19 pm

Strange, Antiaristo - you edited, and the entire post was replaced with that mysterious "HTML comments not allowed". But it was very interesting. The Treason Felony Act seems to be important, while the lords go out of their way to reassure us that it's not...<br><br>Got a link to the story, btw? <br><br>About the SAS - that part of their mission is to protect British dignitaries doesn't mean that they take their orders from them. I think that's part of the mission of special forces everywhere. Do you have anything else that might substantiate the claim that they are under the command of the Queen directly?<br><br>I recently posted about the British tycoon and part-time intel operative, the late Sir James Goldsmith. Know anything about him? He was one of the early financial backers of Friends of the Earth and espoused anti-globalization views, while allegedly being a friend of uber-globalist George Soros. He appears to have had ties to the European far right. His brother Edward publishes the Ecologist magazine. I can't remember the title of the thread now but it's a long one. I would appreciate your input on the curious Sir James and what his agenda might have been. <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
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