Space.com article SUPPORTS Cydonia research

[barracuda]

Every piece of art has an optimum condition for viewing.

Within limits, I would agree with that statement. However the same can probably be said even more firmly about optical illusions. And it is certainly true that for most works of art, the optimal condition is one in which your view of the thing is as clear as possible, rather than in this case, in which the "image" becomes less clear the better you can actually see it.

If the Face is a huge eroded sculpture, you've got to factor all of those in, plus make allowances for obvious disturbances such as the slumping of the eastern side of the Face.

Max' illustrations actually use the erosion and slumping boundries as elements in his various faces.

While you seem to have problems seeing it as a face, there are plenty of people who believe it is a natural geological feature who are willing to concede that it is a good simulacrum of a face.

For example?

[apologydue]

Max our lack of understanding is not a criticsm of your work ok? It really is not. We just do not understand what the "truth" is as it relates to humanity and what the implications are for society.

I spent a lot of time at your site. It is obvious that you are highly intelligent and committed. I admire your work and I encourage you to continue.

Sometimes people (you) understand their subject matter so well that they do not realize other people do not see what they see. We do not understand the context and broader subtle implications.

I too would like to enjoy further explanation about the Bible passages because I am interested in the world's religions from a historical perspective because of its social engineering functions.

A lot of your information was gleaned from geometry, mathematics, and physics. I think I understand what you mean by "objective symbolism" maybe. Do you mean natural repeating patterns in nature, that humans have spotted, and assigned meaning to, or have derived understanding from, and then incorporated these patterns into their cultural dogmas?

If you could take the time to explain to us how your research fits into the schematic of human cultural evolution, and what it might mean for the possible future of human social or physical evolution, it would be helpful and enjoyable.

"The results, taken in context, speak for themselves"

It is the context I am missing, and it is the context I am honestly seeking. I think I understand what you have done with your symmetry presentations, but I do not understand the implications.

"Here's John 14:6 - Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

I could go in a lot of different directions with that, but I have no idea where you are headed. Since you point to angular momentum and Jesus I am assuming you are talking about the lack of the Sun's angular momentum being an enabler for the rest of the planets to have more angular momentum, thus shaping the solar system, which is an analogy for God letting his subjects have free will and shape their own destiny, when in fact they are controlled by this very small influence of the Sun's angular momentum, and small group of human sun cult controllers maybe? I'm lost here Max.

"There is truth in the light".

I have been a student of the light business for a long time. "Light" means different things to different people depending on their experience and understanding of the subject. If you could explain how it is that light provides truth (in your opinion) it would be helpful. We don't know how much you know about light and how you view it. This light subject can be taken in many different ways. Some peoples truth is not every other persons truth, and we don't know what yours is. What is it? There are many different versions of the "truth".


This is one of your images I am most interested in. I understand, broadly speaking, the cultural implications of Horus. Many people understand Horus in many different ways though depending on the information they have been exposed to and how they interpret it through their own filters. How exactly do you see this fitting in here? If you would take the time to explain this image in more detail it would help me understand your angle better.

"The geometry underpins the reflections and the reflections underpin the physics model which is neatly expressed as e/pi."

I think I know what e/pi means. What does it mean to you? I am familiar with the 19.47 data point. What does it mean to you?


If you could fill in your interpretation of the esoterics it would be helpful too. Also, in your opinion, what exactly is the "status quo" being protected by falsified data, and what is the "truth" leaking out that would change peoples perceptions.

Max the mark of a good teacher is his willingness to handle the tough questions without feeling attacked and patiently explain to those who don't get it. I admire your dedication and I encourage you to continue. If you want people to understand your work though, teaching in simpler terms might be necessary. Lost students are lost students, regardless if they admire your work or not. Your picture looks as if you are fairly young. Peoples truth tend to change over time when they keep confirmation bias at bay. Yours may too. Fleshing it out, so to speak.

Best wishes.

[Simulist]

Max our lack of understanding is not a criticsm of your work ok? It really is not.

Speak for yourself.

[apologydue]

Speak for yourself.

I suppose it appears as if I was speaking for people on this forum. I was speaking from the perspective of any confused audience at large. I apologize for the implication.

[82_28]

Well, we were due an apology. I thank you, sir. Carry on.

[MaxtheKnife]

Light means nothing without the dark to contrast. And if you can't integrate that notion, remove Taoism from your list of great religions.

I couldn't agree more. I (admitedly in a half-assed way) begin to talk about the importance of shadow/darkness towards the end of this page when I realized the sequencing for The Face.

You're absolutely right and I know I could stand to learn a LOT more about the world's religions.

The extent of my knowledge is based on a lifetime of having a diverse group of friends. I've been to church and synagogue on a few occasions and was never shy about asking my friends questions about their religions. I have ALWAYS been curious.

These experiences, a mere two semesters of Religion in college (1 semester near eastern + 1 semester far easter), and my own online research is about all I have to work with.

I appreciate your feedback... I know I should write more about this... thanx.

[MaxtheKnife]

@apologydue...

A wonderful post... thank you.

I will respond in detail, but the immediate timing for me stinks.

My 'puter crashed yesterday and I just got it back this minute. (can't complain... pretty fast... god bless my tech guy!)

On top of it, I start work tomorrow and I have to get up at 4:30 am when I'm used to getting up at 8 am.

I've already got some great ideas as to how to answer you... I hope you don't mind being a little bit patient.... I think I can respond the way I'd like by tomorrow night if my first day of work w/ these crazy new hours doesn't screw me up too much.

But one quick note, in case you haven't read that far yet, I go into detail about the sequencing of The Face here Maybe you could get started there.

Thanx again... great post!

I'll be back...

[MaxtheKnife]

apologydue...

Your words about "the mark of a good teacher" really hit home for me.

For more than 5 years now, I've been pushing so hard and learning so much, taking the time to explain things "better" would've cost me patience & energy I simply didn't have.

I've come to a point, however, where I think I've got a good enough handle on this material that I can stop and allow some of you who are willing... to actually catch up to me.

That said... I want you to know that I still consider myself to be a student of Cydonia's lessons.

I know there's more to learn and I can't wait to learn it!

We just do not understand what the "truth" is as it relates to humanity and what the implications are for society.

Wow... ok... That really is the MILLION $$$ question, isn't it?

I could probably write a whole book simply based on that one question.

The short answer, which I offer in an effort to get people to think for themselves... (assuming they've read all the material I've presented on my site) The 'truths' gleaned through studying Cydonia do not leave a single aspect of ANY of our lives untouched.

I suppose I would expect a good teacher to ask the question back: "Why don't you name me a few of these implications and explain why & how they might impact society?"

I mean take your pick... are you interested in Physics or is philosphy more your thing? How about history (recent AND ancient) and religion? Am I leaving something out? Oh! Yeah... How about Astrology ? Turns out there might be some real SCIENCE behind this ancient practice.

Cydonia ostensibly changes everything.

I too would like to enjoy further explanation about the Bible passages because I am interested in the world's religions from a historical perspective because of its social engineering functions.

It sounds to me like we have something in common here.

But like I said somewhere during The Dragon... I'm no expert... amateur at best. (and that's being generous)

I think Avalon already illustrated how much I've forgotten and still need to learn.

That said... the only bible passage I used I actually had to modify.

I changed "LIFE" to "LIGHT".

Given the fact that The Face implicitly hangs on a cross & the only WAY to find the TRUTH (true north) is by the LIGHT cast on the Face... the correlation to to John 14:6 seemed like a "no brainer".

ESPECIALLY when one puts ALL the world's religions into CONTEXT.

I mean, simply compare them all... they're just so similiar.

Even BEFORE I stared working w/ Cydonia, I knew there were many similiarities that struck me as difficult to swallow as being mere coincidence.

However, a note to all of you internet/conspiracy enthusiasts... I've seen Zeitgeist and I think it's a shame the creators had to make up so many things to meet their agenda.

If anyone does any basic research, they will find many of the claims made throughout the video are simply not true.

That's NOT to say MANY of the similarities and MUCH of the symoblism they present don't exist.

They most certainly do & it appears as though they can all be traced back to Cydonia's message concerning our true origins... as well as our SOLAR SYSTEM'S origin which I now believe has been heavily modified through unnatural forces.

If you could explain how it is that light provides truth (in your opinion) it would be helpful.

Please see my reply to 82_58 @ Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:57 am, I don't know how much better I can explain it than that. Feel free to ask me anything specific if something isn't making sense as I've described it.

Also in response to John 4:16, you write:

I could go in a lot of different directions with that, but I have no idea where you are headed. Since you point to angular momentum and Jesus I am assuming you are talking about the lack of the Sun's angular momentum being an enabler for the rest of the planets to have more angular momentum, thus shaping the solar system, which is an analogy for God letting his subjects have free will and shape their own destiny, when in fact they are controlled by this very small influence of the Sun's angular momentum, and small group of human sun cult controllers maybe?

Ok... At the moment... and I'm not 100% sure about this, but I've a strong feeling that 'The Father' Jesus is referring to is...

Ra


The way I see it... the past ~4-5,000 years, no matter what religion one subscribes to, we've been worshipping an entity by one name or another.

Cydonia offers a step towards a new concept... perhaps a more universally acceptable concept... the LIGHT.

I think for the past ~2000 years, (maybe more) we were being groomed to recieve this revelation.

As far as you reading the bible into the physics model, though, I don't think so.

As far as I can tell, the physics is relayed primarily through the story of Horus/Set/Isis/Osiris fused with a few images and concepts utilized by other religions.

This is one of your images I am most interested in....

I pointed you to one of my website's pages yesterday. I'll wait till you've read it and have specific questions till I respond further.

I think I know what e/pi means. What does it mean to you? I am familiar with the 19.47 data point. What does it mean to you?

e/pi... In simplest terms is 'sacred geometry'.

Now we know why it's so "sacred", don't we?

Thanx again, apologydue.

I enjoyed responding to your post.

Please feel free to help me focus my replies w/ follow up questions.

[Iamwhomiam]

Say Max,

Now that you've repaired your computer, how about answering my questions?

[82_28]

I've come to a point, however, where I think I've got a good enough handle on this material that I can stop and allow some of you who are willing... to actually catch up to me.

You see. Talk like that, is shit I generally cannot stand and I will invariably shut you out from any new considerations. No author worth his salt, I repeat, no author worth his salt, talks to his readers like that -- there is always an infinite chance, at all times, that you yourself could be mistaken. I and others here have been extremely patient with you regarding your Cydonia thought experiments. I used to be super duper scathingly rude on the Internets back in the day and it is taking all of my strength each and every time I see this thread pop to the top to not awaken my inner early twenty something year old behind his 700mhz PC. Yet, this is exactly why I love RI -- crazy ideas aren't met with a brutal wall of egotism like just about 100% of the rest of the web's deep discussion boards. But your ideas are crazy, Max. They simply do not hold water and your delivery simply doesn't work in order to get this point you are trying to make across.

[Simulist]

Say Max,

Now that you've repaired your computer, how about answering my questions?

I'm not sure he can. Does he really even understand his own material?

If he really did, he'd explain it in plain English as he's been repeatedly asked to. But he doesn't.

What does that tell you?

[apologydue]

quote Max:

Your words about "the mark of a good teacher" really hit home for me.

For more than 5 years now, I've been pushing so hard and learning so much, taking the time to explain things "better" would've cost me patience & energy I simply didn't have.

I've come to a point, however, where I think I've got a good enough handle on this material that I can stop and allow some of you who are willing... to actually catch up to me.

That said... I want you to know that I still consider myself to be a student of Cydonia's lessons.

I know there's more to learn and I can't wait to learn it!

Thank you so much Max for responding so kindly. I only seek to learn.

"Cydonia's Lessons" I do not understand exactly what those lessons are. You said that the lesson is, "there is truth in the light". What exactly is that "truth" and how is it exposed by the "light". I am struggling to grasp it, but as of yet, I have not.


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Quote apologydue:
We just do not understand what the "truth" is as it relates to humanity and what the implications are for society.

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quote Max:
Wow... ok... That really is the MILLION $$$ question, isn't it?

I could probably write a whole book simply based on that one question.

The short answer, which I offer in an effort to get people to think for themselves... (assuming they've read all the material I've presented on my site) The 'truths' gleaned through studying Cydonia do not leave a single aspect of ANY of our lives untouched.

I suppose I would expect a good teacher to ask the question back: "Why don't you name me a few of these implications and explain why & how they might impact society?"

I mean take your pick... are you interested in Physics or is philosphy more your thing? How about history (recent AND ancient) and religion? Am I leaving something out? Oh! Yeah... How about Astrology ? Turns out there might be some real SCIENCE behind this ancient practice.

Cydonia ostensibly changes everything.

What does it change? How does it touch humanity? What does it teach the human race and why?
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Quote Max:
Given the fact that The Face implicitly hangs on a cross & the only WAY to find the TRUTH (true north) is by the LIGHT cast on the Face... the correlation to to John 14:6 seemed like a "no brainer".

ESPECIALLY when one puts ALL the world's religions into CONTEXT.

I mean, simply compare them all... they're just so similiar.

What do you mean by the way the face hangs on a cross? What does true north signify? I'm still not getting it. I understand that most of the worlds religions sprang from the same root, and is that what you mean?

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quote Max:
I've seen Zeitgeist and I think it's a shame the creators had to make up so many things to meet their agenda.

I've seen it too and i'm not sure what to make of it. Which parts of Zeitgeist did they make up to fit their confirmation bias in your opinion?

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quote Max:
They most certainly do & it appears as though they can all be traced back to Cydonia's message concerning our true origins... as well as our SOLAR SYSTEM'S origin which I now believe has been heavily modified through unnatural forces.

I don't understand what you mean. Can you elaborate?

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Quote apologydue:
If you could explain how it is that light provides truth (in your opinion) it would be helpful.

quote Max:
Please see my reply to 82_58 @ Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:57 am, I don't know how much better I can explain it than that. Feel free to ask me anything specific if something isn't making sense as I've described it.

I still don't get it. Can you explain further? Light provides truth exactly how? What is light? How does it illuminate? What is in the dark?

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quote Max:
Cydonia offers a step towards a new concept... perhaps a more universally acceptable concept... the LIGHT.

I'm still struggling but I will try this.

You agree that a sun cult has ruled, more or less, our world religion? There is also the moon cult. The light and the dark. How do they reconcile and make light?

quote Max:
Through Cydonia, we can see a model we can all readily accept and agree on?

I'm lost Max. I still don't see the LIGHT. What exactly is the LIGHT? Can you give me a MAX DEFINITON OF THE LIGHT other than it is the TRUTH? I don't get it.

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I was moved by the story about you and your dad. Thank you so much for sharing that with me.

I am confused as to how I will find true north by sticking a vertical stick in the ground and find true north, considering I have no other references to go by. Depending on what time of year it is, true north would be hard to find by a sundial, if you don't know exactly what day of the year is. How does that work? I am fascinated by the prospect, but I do not understand how I would find true north without knowing exactly what day of the year it is.

And, what is the signifigance of TRUE NORTH and what does it mean to me?

Thank you for your patience.

[psynapz]

Thank you for your patience.

No, apologydue, thank you for your patience. You're persistently asking all the simple, obvious questions the rest of us are apparently too frustrated to ask.

Max, get a grip and start saying something because so far you actually aren't. We get the broad euphemisms, but the Hoagland-style hyperbole and the ALL-CAPS EMPHASIS and dramatically-written... pauses... are obscuring the LIGHT and the Light and the light as well, and making it impossible to understand your truth or your Truth or your TRUTH, which you must now learn is subjective.

You know, the only objective truth, the "capital-T Truth", is wholly indescribable in its purity and simplicity, and basically, we all know... "Unity is." Dig.

Cydonia, OTOH, and while fascinating and worth studying, isn't indescribable, isn't pure, isn't simple, and we all know that we all, you too buddy, don't know, and to confidently state otherwise is, regardless of the details of your argument, utterly foolish. Literally it's to speak the language of the Fool. RI is a pioneering post-Fool community, or at is least tolerant of self-aware Fool-ishness, and you would do well to further examine the nature of your reality tunnels and the inherent meaning, cognitive purpose and mystical function of belief.

I included a reference to the Principia Discordia earlier because it's highly relevant to the important path you're walking. I also included the footnote from that page's appearance in another book called Cosmic Trigger by Robert Anton Wilson which i'd strongly recommend you read soon. One thing you really start to get about reality from these two bizarre literary works is that it is both plural and mutable (both/and), inclusive of your ideas and of the official story from NASA, as both being true to some extent, false to some extent, and irrelevant to some extent.

And your personal story, while touching, borders on histrionic in this context. You're not the chosen one either, although you are certainly a mystic, so you need to de-mystify (come out of the mist) in order to connect to this willing and particularly capable audience.

Maybe you should write the book, at least to organize your ideas for a mainstream audience of fringe researchers, if nothing else, because they 100% quite definitely aren't organized at the moment. Keep trying though, really. Hear the encouragement from several respondents so far, and keep going. You might as well, anyway.

[nomo]

Just to get this thread back on topic....

[MaxtheKnife]

@ apologydue…

Let’s focus on one thing at a time.

Let’s focus first on the most basic lesson, truth in the light.

With regard to truth… I’m going to assume you’ve taken a high school level geometry course.

Recall those days in geometry class.

Geometric proofs do not reveal truths simply because it is written in a text book.

Nor do they reveal truths because the teacher told us “it is so”.

They reveal truths because each of us has the ability to actually ask the proper questions & do the work until the truth becomes self-evident.

Now… remember the very beginning of geometry class?

Within the first few weeks, one learns about postulates, e.g., “Unique Line Assumption: Through any two points, there is exactly one line.”

Without these postulates, one would be unable to prove anything later on.

In essence, these postulates are fundamental truths.

I am confused as to how I will find true north by sticking a vertical stick in the ground and find true north, considering I have no other references to go by.

First of all, it is important to note that the act of putting a vertical stick in the ground is NOT insignificant.

That vertical stick represents YOU. It represents your presence, ability to create, and perhaps most importantly, your ability to reason.

Second of all, it is presumed that you DO have at least two other CRITICAL “postulates” or references in hand.

1) You know the Sun rises in the east & sets in the west.
2) You know the Earth is currently tilted on it’s axis by exactly 23.45 degrees.

Given these fundamental truths AND your vertical presence (the stick), it becomes possible… through a geometric proof… to establish an even greater truth. i.e, True North is THAT way.

I hope you’re beginning to realize that we don’t call it TRUE North for nothing…

You said that the lesson is, "there is truth in the light". What exactly is that "truth" and how is it exposed by the "light".

What we are talking about, insofar as finding truth in the light, is incredibly symbolic of direction.

Simply put, if you don’t know what direction you are heading… literally or metaphorically speaking… technically… YOU ARE LOST.

It is through this literal act of being able to find one’s own direction through the light that all world religions have derived their concept of truth & light.

The major lesson underpinning all of this is… so long as there is light… you can always turn to it and it will point you back in the right direction.

In other words, literally OR metaphorically speaking, so long as the Sun shines, YOU CAN NEVER BE LOST.

I still don't see the LIGHT. What exactly is the LIGHT? Can you give me a MAX DEFINITON OF THE LIGHT other than it is the TRUTH?

Hopefully, this post has made it clear that the light is NOT the truth. The light simply offers us the means through which to discover the truth for ourselves.

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I’ll pause here to see if I’m helping to make this clearer for you.