Lockdown the Borders and Commence the Roundup

[AnnaLivia]

Heard it on the tv news today. CNN. Michael Jerkoff Chertoff announces they’re locking down the borders with a capital L …you know, so all those poverty-stricken Canadians will stop over-running us…and furthermore we’re rounding up every illegal who is already here and shipping them home and by gawd we’re not having any of this namby-pamby amnesty shit, either. None.<br><br>Nada.<br><br>Now, if I were empress of the universe, people would have a birthright to travel the earth as they pleased, but as the world is now, I don’t see any way to get around the fact that countries have to protect their borders. Fine. Go ahead. 2000 miles of border. A good jobs program. Hire 50,000 out of work Americans. They’ll be able to buy groceries and clothing and birthday presents again. The whole economy will win from the infusion of money.<br><br>But don’t insult my intelligence by making me try to fall again for the ages-old, indeed classic and utterly predictable bullshit (well, it IS bullshit), that says the reason I don’t have a job is because that jose over there has got it. The rassin-frassin reason I don’t have a job is because cheap labor predators manufacture job scarcity as fast as private banks get my paycheck to build a mint to print money for them to lend me at usurious interest.<br><br>I might have been born at night, but it wasn’t LAST night, ya know?<br><br>And don’t the media then proceed to talk like the one thing couldn’t be done without the other. Like it could never occur to anyone that you could lock the border and NOT boot out working families who are already here. <br><br>That’s a mighty small box we’re thinking inside. Seems to me it’s made us think America is too small to handle who’s already here. Puhleeze.<br><br>I repeat: job scarcity is manufactured, and it ain’t Pedro over there begging for a day job who’s doing it.<br><br>The folks who do everything in their power to lower wages for workers everywhere in the world…the people who throw out the davis-bacon protections and then attempt to save face in your eyes by targeting other ‘criminal’ workers…now THERE’S your enemy. <br><br>For god sake 91% of people who responded to CNN’s poll, fully supported this roundup with zero amnesty.<br><br>We are SO blind! SO tricked! celebrate billionaires and deport workers!<br><br>amazing!<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

chertoff gonna get locked up himself for 9/11 treason..he the go too it man ..read about on this chkehawk dual ciatozen neo-con Traitor..<br><br><br>remember them dancing mossads .. all his boys and their dance of death.<br><br>many crime syndicates were in on the 9//11 treason and the stock swindles related to it..<br><br>Fitzgerald is cleaning 2 syndicates. bush and cheny <br>.IF he don't crack the neo-con syndicate..another DA will..<br><br>they just popped 3 neo-con spys in the pentagon..<br><br>chertoof shoots dope<br> <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/04-10-05/discussion.cgi.66.html">www.apfn.net/messageboard...gi.66.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>chertoff is a known and made criminal and he is rt on tv with the rest..<br>WHAT A field DAY FOR REAL AND HONEST POLICE WORK!!<br><br>name some DC pol or any bush appointee and prepare citizens arrests.<br><br><br>he is as dirty as the bushies...<br><br><br>Its either the criminals or the Citizens who will soon be in charge..<br><br><br>All thier war mongering and scare tactics are not working like they used too and If its TRUE that the company is tired and many in govt are sick of the busheviks and the neo-con jobs..then the crime wave that swept the USA on 11/22/63 is in its last hurrah.. <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

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[chiggerbit]

If all the illegals could be rounded up and sent home tomorrow, this nation would shut down. People doen't realize how many businesses rely on that cheap labor. Gotta say this, too. The illegals are usually hard workers, eager to do their jobs to the best of their abilities, willing to perform duties that are distasteful to most Americans. We've become spoiled. Too many Americans today no longer have the old fashioned work ethic. Also, if this does go through, watch inflation soar, as wages have to double to attract the workers. I love it. Damned if they do, and damned if they don't This is a lose-lose for the Republicans. They can appeal to the typical red voter or they can appeal to business owners, but they cannot appeal to both on this issue. <p></p><i></i>

[rapt]

The man's face and voice give me the chills.<br><br>We can only hope that Mr. Fitzy is willing to put serious screws to both him and Rummy. The evidence is there, but if it were me I sure wouldn't want to fk with either of them unless I had both a solid case and serious backing.<br><br>Both have undoubtedly committed capital crimes. But they have reptilian allies; plus no ethics or compassion whatseoever. Tough to get rid of em. <p></p><i></i>

[pugzleyca3]

Chertoff is cut from the same cloth as the rest of them and I wish he'd never appeared in the government in any capacity.<br><br>That said, I don't buy into the mantra that all these illegals are just poor people looking to make a better life and we should keep the doors open to them. <br><br>"If all the illegals could be rounded up and sent home tomorrow, this nation would shut down. People doen't realize how many businesses rely on that cheap labor. Gotta say this, too. The illegals are usually hard workers, eager to do their jobs to the best of their abilities, willing to perform duties that are distasteful to most Americans."<br><br>Please provide something to back up these statement above.<br><br>Because I live here in a border state and the illegals are no longer selling oranges on the street corner. They are taking jobs that Americans are required to have a license and pay taxes on the wages. Jobs like laying tile, house painting, landscaping (and I'm not talking about cutting grass, either. I'm talking design and everything else that goes with it, without a license), roofing jobs, construction jobs, etc. <br><br>There are tens of thousands of Mexican gang members (illegals) in cities all over the United States. They are criminals, not people looking for a better life.<br><br>I have NO pity for the businesses who started basing their businesses upon cheap labor. I run a business and I have never hired illegals. I hire people who pay taxes. And if anyone wants to argue that illegals pay taxes, I have to ask the question: HOW? If they have no ss #, they simply are not paying taxes and neither are these cheap labor businesses. This is not a plus, it's a drain. <br><br>In my opinion, which isn't worth much on this board, I am sure, people are being brainwashed into thinking that paragraph I quoted above is true. <br><br>If you want the truth about illegal immigration, look at all the medical facilities that have been shut down due to bankruptcy and the UNFUNDED federal mandates that have caused this disaster. I'm talking trauma units, etc.<br><br>Also, take a look at the diseases which are now cropping up here that we previous had eradicated. TB, leprosy and a host of others are showing back up. <br><br>Also, look up anchor babies. This is a scam of the highest proportions and all those poor innocent illegals know the ropes. <br><br>Before anyone starts branding me as prejudice, let me clarify something. My husband is a LEGAL immigrant. We went through all the hoops that were offered by immigration and it was not fun, nor was it cheap. But that's how we did it. And I have no sympathy for anyone who sneaks into another country and takes up illegal residence. If we had done this, I am sure we'd both be in jail right now. I think all people should have the SAME opportunity we had. And it totally pisses me off when others sneak in here and get amnesty. <br><br>Amnesty has been offered before and it temporarily documented who was here, for the most part. But the border was left open and here we are again. With anywhere from estimates of 10 million to 30 million illegals in the country.<br><br>The truth of the matter is this. The government wants to bring us all down to 3rd world status. The only way they can do this is by passing laws like Nafta and Cafta,etc. and shipping our jobs overseas and by turning a blind eye to the southern border and allowing millions of undocumented aliens in as they have been doing. <br><br>Yes, we are a country of immigrants. But not illegal immigrants. <br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=pugzleyca3>pugzleyca3</A> at: 10/19/05 10:41 am<br></i>

[dbeach]

chertoff is gonna do what his bosses want in his limited time as the acting BIG BRO in the fraudelent bush admin.<br><br>.IF Mr. Fitzgerald has really done his homework..then it includes 2 stolen elections,the bribery of 3 SC judges including Scalia and Reinquest{now deceased but nonetheless disgraced] and the 9/11 inside job to legitimize the first stolen election or fascist coup.<br><br>IF IF IF..TREASON is the charges and that is a very real possiblity..then Mr Chertoff who has been on the public dole for way too long will remain on the dole BUT in prison.<br><br> Karl B. Schwarz.presented damning evidence to Mr. Spitzer in NYC regarding 9/11 and the invasion of Afghanistan<br> last Dec 04 and he has done nothing with the evidence.<br><br>So the evidence to tie the bush criminlas to the TREASON is available...all that needs to be done is to contact Spitzer<br>who is most likley another neo-con job.<br><br>Fitz gots the goods on the syndicate..How far is he willing to take it ?????<br>. <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

If the purpose is to lay blame, it's not the fault of the illegals, pugzleyca3, it's the fault of those who hire them and those who don't go after the ones who hire them. If you were so poor that your family had barely enough to eat, and you could sneak across the border and get a job at 10 or twenty or thirty times what the going rate in your country was, would you try it? They aren't "taking" those jobs, they are being handed them. Your points are valid, but in my opinion you are going after the wrong people. I see this as a trickle-down problem, not trickle up problem. If your roof leaks and stains your ceiling, don't keep re-painting your ceiling. Go for the source of the leak. <p></p><i></i>

[pugzleyca3]

Chiggerbit, that brings into question why the borders have been left unattended. And that starts in the Whitehouse and not just under this administration. <br><br>I think that this has been orchestrated to pit people against one another in their opinions on illegal immigrants. <br><br>And I also think that they are not closing the border now to keep anyone out, it's to keep us IN.<br><br>This problem is not an accident, it's part of the plan. So they leave the borders wide open, the citizens cry out for them to close the borders and voila! we're less free. <br><br>The illegals are a side effect of what the elite are doing and the catalyst to cause people to cry out for "something to be done". But when they "do something" it's always got more in the legislation than the citizens ever bargained for.<br><br>Let's keep an eye on what they do and see how much more it hinders U.S. citizens as opposed to the illegals. The elite pass no laws that are good for the people anymore, at least not that I can see. I will be reading their new laws to be passed carefully on this one to see what is really happening.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=pugzleyca3>pugzleyca3</A> at: 10/19/05 11:37 am<br></i>

[proldic]

both 'sides' are being represented well. This doesn't necessarily have to be a divide-and-conquer issue.<br><br>This is an ideal test case, it will allow us reasonable debate.<br><br>It also forces us to get off the fence historically and really take our place on the question of colonialism and its progenies, highlights the struggle between capitalist vs socialist nationalism vs nwo, it confronts basic fundamental contradictions inherent in the capitalist system, it shows how socialism will have to be relied upon by both sides -- where government intervention is the only viable alternative, but also it shows how the test is for us to continue to either year-by-year continue to aggressively philosophically-extricate ourselves from capitalist assumptions, or accept being morphed into a bastardized socialist-"friendly fascist" nwo.<br><br>I'll post more later. <br><br>Three stories that come to mind:<br><br>1. My research into the Jewish Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society and it's role in shaping the picture of contemporary American Jewish history, specifically the fact that it's members of the CP in the '20's-early 40's, clerical workers, many not very symapthetic to zionism, who "whistleblew" on the policy of restricting immigration of massive numbers of ethnic communist-socialist family names, trade union members, during that period. This was published in obscure CP-related publications in the '50's that I'm collecting, such as Masses and Mainstream, Political Affairs, and International Publisher's various imprints. <br><br>2. How the "immigration debate" affected the [esp. west coast] enviro movements, playing the "eco-fascism" card, but also again highlighting the inherent contradictions within the reformist movements. Remember Dave Foreman's and Garett Hardin's etc. statements about immigration.<br> <br>3. And what was the big bi-partisan policy change that was to be signed by Bush <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>on the morning of 9/11/01</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->?<br>Yep, you guessed it, mass general amnesty for illegal immigrants and their official incorporation as a non-organizable force in American labor. <p></p><i></i>

[pugzleyca3]

"If you were so poor that your family had barely enough to eat, and you could sneak across the border and get a job at 10 or twenty or thirty times what the going rate in your country was, would you try it? "<br><br>I have to say the answer to that is no. Because if the answer was yes, we never would have applied for the proper paperwork.<br><br>I wouldn't and neither would my husband. If we had been denied his green card here, we would have gone to his country where we would have been poor and lived there, because I am sure I would have been allowed in there. We certainly wouldn't have stayed here where we were denied his status. And if they wouldn't let me in there, well, they would deport me, just like they would deport him here if he didn't have the right papers. It's the people who play the paper game with immigrations who get deported. Just like the cop chases the speeders doing 5 miles over the limit, they're easier to catch.<br><br>It's 3rd world where he is from. We took a chance by simply applying for it, you can be denied in their interview if you are asked what color the shower curtain is and your answer doesn't match the other person's description of it. <br><br>Edited to add: My husband was on an H-2 work visa when we met. He was legal. We went and got married and then applied for the papers. We knew we'd have a better chance than with the fiance thing and besides, we wanted to get married. We love each other and have been married for over ten years now.<br><br>When you go before an immigration interview, the only people there are maybe 2 immigration officers and they separate you, (if you are married) and question each of you alone, to see if you really are living together. It's quite frightening when you're there doing it. They can ruin your life at their whim.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=pugzleyca3>pugzleyca3</A> at: 10/19/05 12:10 pm<br></i>

[chiggerbit]

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>CP</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->-related publications?<br><br>I could use a dictionary on this board.<br><br>Actually, I'm not in much disagreement with pugzy. If you took roofing, for example, illegals are very popular with those companies, partly because the roofing companies often don't include illegals in their workers comp. Of course, workers comp fees for roofing companies is outrageous, so I can sympathize. But the result is that when there is an injury, the taxpayers get stuck with the bill, one way or another. So, who do we "blame"? <p></p><i></i>

[thumperton]

This is the anti-thesis the mass illegal immigration that they themselves have been financing the whole time. Of course the answer is a National ID card to distinguish 'legal' between 'illegal' and other police state measures. <p></p><i></i>

[Inanna]

I just lost my whole post so I will just include this doc:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ice.gov/graphics/dro/endgame.pdf">www.ice.gov/graphics/dro/endgame.pdf</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>It's called the end game 2003-2012 Strategic Detention and removal. I don't understand why Bush pushed his guestworker program right after the election, when this was there the whole time. I wonder if the definition of those to be deported isn't broader. Also, why the 2012 date? It's the end of the mayan calendar and also pops up constantly on other sites dealing with the end of the world as we know it. <p></p><i></i>