Space.com article SUPPORTS Cydonia research

[barracuda]

Just sayin it as I see you.

I See you for what you are.

Make of that what you will.

BTW shark, theres a post in the data dump somwhere that goes a long way to verifying the mystery that is Cydonia. You might care to read it sometime when you arent too busy veryfying the magic bullet theory , or perhaps confirming the theory of evolution, or perhaps confirming the NIST conclusions on the collapse of WTC7.

Thanks for your polity.

Okay, I've read it. And it's interesting.



Does it fully validate for me Max's Cydonia premise, whatever that someday turns out to be? Not really. It's interesting, though.

My own interest in Cydonia is more along the lines of examing what purpose these theories fulfill in terms of the psychological and pattern-recognising needs of the humans who look at them with such intensity. Because as interesting as I find Cydonia theory, what have I gotten from it? The answer to something? Proof of extraterrestrial insemination of the planet earth? Proof of intelligent life on other worlds? A new faith, the word of which I can spread as well, and lead other people to... what, exactly?

If you'd care to really contribute to the thread rather than snipe from your mousehole, perhaps you can help Max answer some of the many questions people have about his research. Obviously there is some interest, on several sides of the issue.

But I really think, slim, that I ought to be able to honestly discuss any subject here from whatever point of view I'm interested in without having to listen to you or anyone else call me a shill, or make your weak-ass, shady accusations. If you really are concerned and want to affect the general tenor and thrust of the board's focus, I suggest you come here more often with something to back up your small talk.

Nice to see you too, btw. Hope my opinion doesn't get in the way of your beliefs.

[slimmouse]

My own interest in Cydonia is more along the lines of examing what purpose these theories fulfill in terms of the psychological and pattern-recognising needs of the humans who look at them with such intensity

well thats interesting. Its rather like my examining what motivates people not to see clear patterns when they appear, or to say that when 2 planes destroy 3 buildings, "theres nothing to see here". Or perhaps to examine the notion of how, in the case of evolution, the organs of a domesticated ( note domesticated ) pig rather than an ape are the closest match to humans. I mean seriously barracuda, how does that work in your world exactly ?

perhaps you might explain to me why Silbury hill was built where it was ? It was built. On that there is little argument.

My logic may often be too simple for this place. Perhaps its meant to be that way. But do me a favour mate. Dont take the piss.

[Wombaticus Rex]

My own interest in Cydonia is more along the lines of why they're not going further and embracing the fractal isosymmetry of the entire Universe. Mars and Egypt is awesome, but that's one of a billion colorful sideshows here in the kaleidoscope of forms and fields, fields and forms.

[slimmouse]

My own interest in Cydonia is more along the lines of why they're not going further and embracing the fractal isosymmetry of the entire Universe. Mars and Egypt is awesome, but that's one of a billion colorful sideshows here in the kaleidoscope of forms and fields, fields and forms.

Wombaticus,

I know that you know. Its the rest of this place I worry about.

[barracuda]

Or perhaps to examine the notion of how, in the case of evolution, the organs of a domesticated ( note domesticated ) pig rather than an ape are the closest match to humans. I mean seriously barracuda, how does that work in your world exactly ?

In my world there's a thing called convergent evolution which happens when two species have extremely similar diets. Anyway you're more closely related genetically to a rabbit than a pig. Well, maybe not you personally, but you know what I mean.



I realise the theory of evolution is a ridiculous heresy to large groups of people these days, but as an attack on my credibility as a mod, that's a pretty pathetic footing. But it would be useful if you'd at least pretend to stay on the thread topic. If you want to demonise me personally, there's a whole mod thread stickied to the top of General Discussion where much of the general thrust of the conversation is devoted to such time wasting. Or feel free to start a new thread on why I'm useless. I'll be more than happy to join in.

[slimmouse]

Or perhaps to examine the notion of how, in the case of evolution, the organs of a domesticated ( note domesticated ) pig rather than an ape are the closest match to humans. I mean seriously barracuda, how does that work in your world exactly ?

In my world there's a thing called convergent evolution which happens when two species have extremely similar diets. Anyway you're more closely related genetically to a rabbit than a pig. Well, maybe not you personally, but you know what I mean.



I realise the theory of evolution is a ridiculous heresy to large groups of people these days, but as an attack on my credibility as a mod, that's a pretty pathetic footing. But it would be useful if you'd at least pretend to stay on the thread topic. If you want to demonise me personally, there's a whole mod thread stickied to the top of General Discussion where much of the general thrust of the conversation is devoted to such time wasting. Or feel free to start a new thread on why I'm useless. I'll be more than happy to join in.

hey barracuda, so we apparently evolved from apes whilst at the same time essentially inheriting the genetic form of pigs. Thats an interesting twist. I dont buy it cos it doesnt make sense to me. Kinda like the collapse of 3 towers due to 2 planes nonsense. The mathematics and geometry of Avebury and Cydonia meanwhile make a lot of sense to me. Youre randi style skepticism on the other hand is cringeworthy at worst. Why did they build that hill where they did barracuda ?

You might want to start a thread on who is the biggest village idiot on RI. Its a while since I won anything

[barracuda]

If you're expecting me to fall down in a blubbering heap because you don't like my opinions, don't hold your breath. And if you think you can cut through the gordian knot of Max's OP, feel free to astonish me with your acumen. I'm mostly ears.

[slimmouse]

If you're expecting me to fall down in a blubbering heap because you don't like my opinions, don't hold your breath. And if you think you can cut through the gordian knot of Max's OP, feel free to astonish me with your acumen.

Ok , like you , ill keep it simple.

Lets just forget about the swiss cheese arguments you propose elsewhere

Why did they build silbury hill where they did ?

And heres a big one for you big guy......

from any rotating particle, where is light emitted ?

[barracuda]

Enlighten me. The suspense is palpable.

[nathan28]

I'm still waiting for that synarchist revivalist pseudomathematics to provide universal health care, but you say tomato, I say cui bono.

[Simulist]

…so we apparently evolved from apes whilst at the same time essentially inheriting the genetic form of pigs. Thats an interesting twist. I dont buy it cos it doesnt make sense to me.

It doesn't make sense to you because you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

[jingofever]

Or perhaps to examine the notion of how, in the case of evolution, the organs of a domesticated ( note domesticated ) pig rather than an ape are the closest match to humans. I mean seriously barracuda, how does that work in your world exactly ?

From Wikipedia:

Since they are the closest relatives to humans, nonhuman primates were first considered as a potential organ source for xenotransplantation to humans. Chimpanzees were originally considered to be the best option since their organs are of similar size, and they have good blood type compatibility with humans. However, since chimpanzees are listed as an endangered species, other potential donors were sought out. Baboons are more readily available, however they are also not practical as potential donors. Problems include their smaller body size, the infrequency of blood group O (the universal donor), their long gestation period, and they typically produce few offspring. In addition, a major problem with the use of nonhuman primates is the increased risk of disease transmission, since they are so closely related to humans. Pigs are currently thought to be the best candidates for organ donation. The risk of cross-species disease transmission is decreased because of their increased phylogenetic distance from humans. They are readily available, their organs are anatomically comparable in size, and new infectious agents are less likely since they have been in close contact with humans through domestication for many generations. Current experiments in xenotransplantation most often use pigs as the donor, and baboons as human models.

So apes are a closer match to humans but pigs, because of their evolutionary distance (and other reasons), are preferred.

Pigs need to be genetically modified to be compatible with humans or else the tissue will be immediately rejected. Baboon kidneys were able to function for six months without modification. From the same article:

When organs are transplanted across closely related species (e.g., baboon to human), such xenotransplants are referred to as "concordant." On the other hand, organs transplanted across widely divergent species (e.g., pig to human) are termed "discordant." These terms characterize the extent of difficulty that exists in striving for successful organ transplantation across these barriers. It is much easier to achieve xenograft acceptance across concordant than discordant combinations. Chimpanzees are considered the most biologically superior donor because they are genetically the closest to humans, but their threat of extinction precludes their use. Baboons, while not as similar to humans as chimpanzees, can be easily raised in captivity and are not an endangered species.

Pigs are available in sufficient quantities, have similar anatomy and physiology to humans, and can be bred under conditions in which they can be genetically modified. While these factors have prompted the consideration of this species as a source for clinical xenotransplantation, organs from discordant species are confronted with a formidable barrier--almost immediate rejection within minutes mediated by naturally occurring antibodies (also called preformed xenoantibodies) which are present in the recipient. Because of the difficulty in controlling such rejection (also known as hyperacute rejection), novel approaches are required to overcome this barrier to successful discordant xenotransplantation.

[MaxtheKnife]

Major (and really cool, imho) update posted to Humble Pie.

Click on the 04/28/10 update bookmarked at the top of the page.
http://www.maxtheknife.com/humblepie/humble_pie.htm

[psynapz]

Cool, so what's your rational basis for all this mirroring? Do you think it's intentional on the part of the Martian landscapers? Or are you just enjoying the pure synchromystical psychedelia of it all?

Simple question, simple answer?

[MaxtheKnife]

psynapz,

Let me know if this post answers your question to your satisfaction.

If not, try this.

For further details, see 08/02/09 update bookmarked at the top of this page.