http://www.shanemacgowan.com/articles/nme89.shtmlMES "I've had discussions like this all the time in pubs. I end up beaten half to death on the floor. I try to be civil and people assume I'm attacking them."
SM "You attack people all the time. In the press."
MES "I used to. It became too routine so I gave it up. Nietzsche said 'Embrace your enemies'. You two aren't my enemies so I won't embrace you.
SM "Read a lot of Nietzsche, have you?"
MES "All his stuff. I can't quote him. I'm not into him anymore, gave up three years ago. He taught me a lot, though. We're not all born public school boys like you."
SM "I'm not a born public school boy."
MES "Do you like Brendan Behan, he's good."
SM "Yeah, he's not a fascist maniac posing as a philosopher."
MES "If we're gonna talk philosophy, that's a load of crap ! The Nazis adopted his creed and distorted it, they misquoted him all the time."
SM "'The Will to Power'? Try re-interpreting that statement. You can't. It says what it says."
MES "He wasn't a Nazi-you're only saying that because some polytechnic fucking lecturer told you he was."
SM "I'm saying it 'cos I read two of his books where he dismissed the weak, the ugly, the radically impure, Christianity, Socrates, Plato. He was anti anyone who hadn't a strong body, perfect features..."
MES "That's the coffee table analysis. He was the most anti-German pro-Semitic person..."
SM "His books were full of hate."
MES "You've just said you're full of hate when you go onstage."
SM "I don't go around saying Socrates was a cunt, Jesus Christ was an idiot, do I ?"
MES "Jesus Christ was the biggest blight on the human race, he was. And all of them Socialists and Communists- second rate Christianity. It's alright for you Catholics. I was brought up with Irish Catholics. Some of my best friends are Irish Catholics."
SM "listen to him."
MES "Hitler was a Catholic vegetarian, non-smoker, non-drinker. The way you're talking about Nietzsche is that anyone who's a non-smoker, non-drinker is a Nazi. That's the level of your debate, pal. You don't know fuck all about Nietzsche, pal."
SM "You're anti-socialist, too, aren't you ?"
MES "Yeah. I'm an extreme anti-socialist. You don't live on a housing estate where there's been socialism for thirty years and they keep saying it's gonna get better all the time and it never does.
Thirty fucking years of it getting worse and worse. You obviously haven't experienced that, living in London." [
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SM "What's the alternative ?"
MES "I don't have to worry about that. I'm an adult. I'm working class, me. I come from a generation that fucking created this nation pal. You lot, you just sit around and talk about socialism, you're the bloody problem. Eighty percent of this country are white trash, working class. How come they don't vote Labour? 'Cos the Labour Party are a fucking disgrace, that's why. Engels- he was a factory owner in Manchester exploiting 13 year old girls. Learn your history, pal, learn your history. I suppose you blame all Ireland's problems on the British. All the problems of the world are down to Britain. That's what you think, why don't you say it? You can't tell me anything about oppression 'cos, I'll tell you something pal, if you'd been part of Germany, you'd have been liquidated. If you were part of Russia, you wouldn't even exist. Don't tell me about oppression, my parents and grand-parents were exploited to the hilt. Sent to wars,
they had gangrene in their teeth. My grandfather was at Dunkirk and all you can see is Margaret Thatcher on my face when, actually, She's on Nick's face. Isn't she Nick ? Come on Nick, help me out. Basically, I like to discuss things right down the line and I don't agree with anybody..."
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I told her oops I thought she took the red pill instead of the blue one. 
Most of them anyway ....
