Flt 93 And Flt 175 Landed At Or Near Cleveland On 911

by **eric144** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:48 pm

The fascinating thing about this article for me is the phone call from Rep. Crane to Phil Jayhan. I have always wondered what those in power believe about 9/11. If you think about it, they are in a worse position than the average citizen in the respect that they would have to back up every syllable with solid proof and that is virtually impossible. <a href="http://www.rense.com/general68/says.htm">www.rense.com/general68/says.htm</a> Flt 93 And Flt 175 Landed At Or Near Cleveland On 911 -- Says Former Cleveland Mayor Cincinnati WCPO TV Cover-Ups Why Account Removed From Web Site By Greg Szymanski 11-11-5 State sponsored U.S. media ignores story, leaving 'internet hounds' to smell out the truth behind what really happened to the passengers on the doomed flights. On the morning of 9/11 a little known Cincinnati television station ran a story saying Flight 93 landed at Cleveland International Airport instead of crashing into the Pentagon as claimed in the official government story. Reporters at WCPO Channel 9 quoted then Cleveland Mayor Michael R. White as saying "a Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing due to a bomb threat," the airplane landing safely, moved to a secure location and evacuated. The early morning report went on to say United Airlines verified the plane as Flight 93, but was also deeply concerned about another jetliner in the vicinity, Flight 175, flying from Boston to Los Angeles. Also included in the little known news report was a comment from United CEO, James Goodwin, who said, "The thoughts of everyone at United are with the passengers and crew of these flights. Our prayers are also with everyone on the ground who may have been involved. United Airlines is working with all the relevant authorities, including the FBI, to obtain further information on these flights." Former Mayor White, as well as United and WCPO, could not be reached for comment, but the evidence still remains, even though it was suspiciously removed from the television's web site in June 2004 in and around the time of the 9/11 Commission hearings. With the evidence trail getting colder and colder, the obvious still must be asked: if Flight 175 was slamming into the South Tower and Flight 93 was downed over Pennsylvania like the government contends, why was Mayor White saying both planes were in or in the vicinity of Cleveland? The answer to this question remains a mystery four years later since the 9/11 Commission or the FBI never thoroughly investigated the news report or former Mayor White's statement. And if there still happens to be any 9/11 family members still wondering what really happened to their loved ones aboard the doomed 9/11 flights, it isn't much consolation that the only really serious investigation to date has come from a couple of cyber space sleuths with no real criminal investigation background and only a hyperactive curiosity as their credentials. But to the credit of these novice sleuths, who never even listed their names in order to take credit for their work, the following information about the original WCPO story and its removal from the internet is all we have to go on: "Though the story from Cincinnati TV station WCPO is not recent news (it was posted within hours of the 9/11 attacks)," said the sleuths, "I had never heard of it until a fellow researcher recently contacted me. Click on the first link "(see links below) and you will see what is currently posted on the website, 'This story has been removed from WCPO.com. It was a preliminary AP story, and was factually incorrect.' "However, using the powerful resource of the Internet Archive , which archives all major websites on the internet on a regular basis, you can see how this webpage appeared over past months and years. Using this excellent resource, you will discover that the original posting (provided below) can be viewed at the second link below. "Note that the original posting says nothing about being an AP article. Note also that the article continued to be posted for all dates through June 2004, and disappeared only after that. Remember that Flight 93 reportedly crashed in Pennsylvania on 9/11, with all aboard killed. How can this be? See these web sites for verification: <a href="http://www.wcpo.com/specials/2001/america">www.wcpo.com/specials/2001/america</a> attacked/news_local/story14.html <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.wcpo.com/">web.archive.org/web/*/htt....wcpo.com/</a> specials/2001/americaattack ed/news_local/story14.html Besides WCPO's obvious cover-up, another little known account concerning the passengers aboard the flights concerns the strange - almost unbelievable -- reaction of former Rep. Phil Crane (R-Ill) in response to the information compiled on another internet sleuth's 9/11web site. The incident involves a phone call by Rep. Crane to Phil Jayhan, a serious 9/11 fact gatherer, who appears to be on to something and headed in the right direction in solving parts of the 9/11 mystery if this strange -- out of the blue call -- from a Congressman is any indication. In an extended phone conversation this week concerning the call, Jayhan asked why would a big shot Congressman call him unless it was to designed to gather information, interrogate him or find out what he really knew, as well as indicating he might be hot on the trail of something important Jayhan, who puts together www.letsroll911.org , also wrote this on his web site about the mysterious call from former Rep. Crane, the former head of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee: "Well, we all now know there was a series of War Games going on the week of 911, as well as 911 itself. I probably wouldn't have even thought of this if it were not for Congressman Phil Crane's phone call to me. "Why take any chances on 911? They had time on their side, and thus a near perfect plan, or a perfect plan that didn't work as advertised. Crane seemed most interested in 'the people' & 'the pathology' more than anything else. Why would he be asking me about this, if indeed flight 93 was the meat wagon? All of the remains would have been sent to path and identified, and no one would be the wiser, right? "But as I have said, if I could pin down a reason why Phil Crane would have pulled the stunt he did with me, it would have to be the subject of where are the people...? Because he didn't have a problem with the missile and the pod or that the flight was switched, so he was well acquainted with my web site when he called. But he, they(?) were stumped as to the missing people, and where they went. So, let's think in Phil Crane's shoes for a moment. He finally is forced to see the site (let's roll) by one of his aids who finally had done the research and seen that what my site says is true. "So Phil Crane and perhaps a few in his staff, or perhaps a few other Congressman and Senators are sitting around, and they see the problem pod, the problem missile and realize this plane was switched. "I am assuming here that they know something we don't in this area, i.e. namely that there were No bodies or true DNA tests done. They were a PR sham to help sweep 911 under the rug sooner and more efficiently, best not to have grieving loved ones family members crying foul because DNA testing was taking too long to put their hearts to rest, so they faked the DNA test results." Greg Szymanski is an independent investigative journalist and his articles can been seen at www.LewisNews.com. He also writes for American Free Press www.AmericanFreePress.net and has his own site www.arcticbeacon.com . Greg has a live Radio show every Monday night on mms://media.LewisNews.com/Greg and on mms://media.LewisNews.com/RadioLewisNews at 8 pm Pacific time. Greg is also looking for sponsors for his popular new show and he can be contacted at patriott2424@aol.com. On Oct. 3, Greg will be starting a daily afternoon show on the Republic Broadcast Network, airing on shortwave, low band FM and on the internet. Go to www.rbnlive.com for information.

by **banned** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:27 am

...without anything new being added to it. It's a shame former Cleveland mayor Mike White (who by the way is Black) doesn't want to talk about it. How about hauling his ass before a grand jury and forcing him to? Just like Willie Brown (who is also Black <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> ) aka Da Mayor of San Francisco, has never been squeezed to tell who it was among his contacts who told him not to fly the morning of 9/11/01.

by **rapt** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:42 am

"...how about hauling his ass..." Sure banned, how bout that? Lessee if you or I can make it happen. How bout we look seriously into a few other questions too; mebbe we just have to be patient enough to let it play out. Perhaps it will; SO many lies are coming to light now - some of the shit as got to stick. Well here's hoping - - sorry thats all I can offer at this moment, but check back tomorrow - surely more of the bullshit will surface by then.

by **Jill Burdigala** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:05 am

Naturally everyone was glued to the radio (there wasn't a TV where I was) and, for what it's worth, I distinctly remember radio reports coming out in the late morning, after the attack on the Pentagon, stating that there was a plane in Cleveland airspace that the authorities could not make contact with. By the time I left the story was that the plane had landed without incident at Hopkins. As I remember it, the explanation was technical difficulties, not a bomb threat, but my memory on this point might be faulty. I never thought any more about it until reading this thread just now. Regarding Mike White: if one believes the allegations of the Campbell administration or the inferences some people have drawn from the Nate Gray case, one would probably not expect him to be the type of elected official who is likely to go on record against the "official story". As for his blackness, I'm not sure that that really amounts to much most of the time. As even many a moldy old episode of Good Times (which is on my mind because I recently discovered it on Nick at Nite) tries to illustrate, black folks can be just as easily co-opted against the well-being of their own community as the lily-whitest WASP.

by **OnoI812** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:06 am

Plus he is good buddies with Willie Brown...remember the MT bike accident Mike White had when he visited Willie in SF. The local TV CLE stations kept breaking into 9/11 coverage , especially when White had an announcement(lockdown of Hopkins etc) and his story kept changing. I once saw a 9/11 timeline site that logged all the mayor White discrepancies. They basically proved that what White was saying was impossible. Also don't forget , there's a NASA facility within the Hopkins fence.

by **banned** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:00 pm

John Glenn formerly Lewis Research Center of NASA. Highly secret stuff in times past, though I don't know about now having left Cleveland quite awhile ago. I do know when I was in high school back in the day Lewis Research was involved in the moon landings and was surrounded by armed guards. Wouldn't be at all surprised if it had underground bunkers there and exits into the surrounding parkland. So who got taken off the plane(s) and where are they now?

by **Anonymous** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:29 pm

Dennis Kucinich was mayor of Cleveland. Does his present district include Cleveland?

by **banned** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:16 pm

And yes his district includes Cleveland. Also George Voinovich, Senator and former governor, is a former mayor of Cleveland.

by **sussurus2** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:38 am

Wild wild hunch, don't hold it against me... I've had a gut feeling for a long time that none of the planes (or whatever) that actually reached their targets had any passengers on them. No humans on them at all. It was something about the G's pulled by that second plane into the second tower, similarly the downspiral of the pentagon one (plane or not). This feeling is analagous to when your pet is lost--but you're sure they're not dead. Call it just an intuition about which I've no way to be rigorous: that all of the original flights with passengers were all intended to be diverted elsewhere, while the charade of a hijak went on inside the planes--except possibly the pentagon plane because the passenger roster seems to be rather full of members of the "extended team." Reason to divert the passenger planes is to reduce the variables, and increase % reliability of mission success. In this scenario, the flights were intended to have been diverted so that other previously prepared, specialized and fully automated/remote control hardware could be used in all the "crashes." A planeload full of passengers is too much uncertainty, unless they were otherwise incapacitated en-masse before reaching the later timetable. As was supposed on many of the relevant such research & discussion sites, after a few moments of [whatever] gas via the plane air system, they'd all be asleep or dead anyway. My creepiest fear is that if they didn't just kill every passenger, anyone they didn't ice, or give a new name and hush money, is stuck in the bowels of G'mo or similar dungeon for the duration, perhaps being brainwashed or otherwise gratuitously messed with...and to use as agents or props for some future ops. Regarding the one that was shot down over PA: I had a similar gut feeling that was a pilot acting on orders or impulse, but that was the real plane, with passengers. There was likely a non-response to challenge, three times or whatever the convention is, and an analysis of the flight path, and some order to down it which came before the actual ops command could countermand it. A twofold screw-up because then they couldn't do the final target (some had surmised the unoccupied WH, for PR value) because the original plane had too clearly already "crashed." What hangar its RC doppleganger is sitting in, who knows. Sorry, sometimes I feel I should keep stuff like this to myself. But since the topic was raised again--specifically--and I hadn't actually run across this report about the Mayor quote before, I thought I'd mention it. A side comment re: the pentagon hit: if it was NOT done with their complete collusion, as I don't think it was, then if you were ONI, wouldn't you be pissed? Whether or not you're worth trillions, that's not an entity/org to mess with lightly. It's been commented elsewhere that particular strike seemed to be a message to the military--don't f**k with us. Or that ONI actually was the only agency that could very quickly have figured out--and had the backbone to do something about--the actual scenario for 911. So they knocked it hard enough to reduce their leadership & intel capacity significantly while sending that previous DFWU message. RE: the congressperson phonecall...So here and there, the lower-level politicos who were left in the dark about 911 might now be catching on, that's almost a non-event. What I've been trying to discern through the fog is: which of the world's various governments & organizations saw through it right from the start, and what have they been doing about it since? S.

by **banned** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:47 am

...but I'm not sure what you mean by 'extended team'--haven't heard that term before. ONI is Office of Naval Intelligence?

by **sussurus2** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:41 pm

'extended team' is not a technical term, was just riffing off the "secret team" book/CD title. I mean the majority on the flight seemed to have links to military and specifically Navy. Yes, ONI is NavIntel. I don't want to think about what happened to the kids that were supposed to have been on the flight. Which is why I'd like to believe it was a sham flightlist or sham hijak esp. on that one plane. S.

by **banned** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:25 am

...than to hold their child hostage?

by **sussurus2** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:45 am

Banned, not like one would often say thanks for that sort of thing, but thanks... OK, so that's where my personal role as caregiver clearly blocked the faculty of informed &/or intuitive analysis. I guess that's the definition of blind spot. That's a very disturbing and saddening perspective, but one that rings true in the same vacant but undeniable timbre that all such rigorous revelations have struck me since I started down this path. Such forehead-smack moments where puzzle pieces snap in place have consisted either of "God Damn Them!!" or alternatively, when recognizing wonders suppressed: "Well I'll be goddamm'd!" . . . Of course. That's the simplest, most dispicable, straightforward answer. It fits the [modifiers deleted] patterns of how They operate (as though humans are chattel, that BF Skinner was the last word on how to manage & govern). So few pages in their playbook; so alientated & impoverished their lexicon of control. Therefore as much as I would like not to face it, and gee, [second gong] that's why I said "I can't bear to think about"...what you've offered is likely true. S.

Flt 93 And Flt 175 Landed At Or Near Cleveland On 911

Flt 93 And Flt 175 Landed At Or Near Cleveland On 911

eric, this puppy keeps surfacing at intervals...

puppy surfacing...

I was in Cleveland on September 11 2001

Re: I was in Cleveland on September 11 2001

Exactly, ono...

I was in Cleveland on September 11 2001

Yes, Dennis was mayor 1978-79.

Re: Yes, Dennis was mayor 1978-79.

I've had similar thoughts, susurrus...

Re: I've had similar thoughts, susurrus...

What better way to keep a parent silent...

Geeze

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