'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Mon May 17, 2010 4:40 pm

Under the optimistic headline, "BP hopes to siphon up to half of oil in Gulf":

Suttles said a mile-long tube is funneling a little more than 42,000 gallons of crude a day from a blown-out well into a tanker ship.

That would be about a fifth of the 210,000 gallons the company and the U.S. Coast Guard have estimated are gushing out each day, though scientists who have studied video of the leak say it could be much bigger and even BP acknowledges there's no way to know for sure how much oil there is.

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Researchers have found more underwater plumes of oil than they can count from the well, said Samantha Joye, a professor of marine sciences at the University of Georgia.

"The discovery of these plumes argues that a lot more oil and gas is coming out of that well every day, and I think everybody has gotten that fact except BP," she said.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby ninakat » Mon May 17, 2010 4:44 pm

Bruce Dazzling wrote:Chris Hedges' latest:

Cultures that do not recognize that human life and the natural world have a sacred dimension, an intrinsic value beyond monetary value, cannibalize themselves until they die. They ruthlessly exploit the natural world and the members of their society in the name of progress until exhaustion or collapse, blind to the fury of their own self-destruction. The oil pouring into the Gulf of Mexico, estimated to be perhaps as much as 100,000 barrels a day, is part of our foolish death march. It is one more blow delivered by the corporate state, the trade of life for gold. But this time collapse, when it comes, will not be confined to the geography of a decayed civilization. It will be global.


More:

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Amazing quote, thanks bruce. I need to read the whole piece -- I'd skipped over it earlier today because of time-constraints (or was it simply doomer-burnout?).
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby ninakat » Mon May 17, 2010 5:20 pm

Holy $h!t Updated
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An eddy spinning off of the Loop current captured spilled oil at the end of last week then pulled it into the Loop current.

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Bright sunglint is not oil. The oil is the shiniest silver area that looks like the model's forecast.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Project Willow » Mon May 17, 2010 6:04 pm

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Wed May 19, 2010 3:07 am

Heavy Sludge Oozes into Marshes of Louisiana

May 18, 2010

(CBS/AP) It may be the most disturbing site yet: the first heavy sludge now oozing into the marshes of Louisiana as the slick continues to grow in size out in the gulf.

CBS News correspondent Kelly Cobiella reports it's an ominous sight. The oil is thick and black and stretches about a quarter mile down a beach. It goes beyond the booms into the sensitive marsh lands which are home to migratory birds.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal flew over it Tuesday.

"This wasn't just sheen, we were seeing heavy oil out there," Jindal said. "This wasn't just tar balls. It shows you how quick the oil showed up."

When CBS News tried to reach the beach, covered in oil, a boat of BP contractors with two Coast Guard officers on board told us to turn around under threat of arrest. Coast Guard officials said they are looking into the incident.

The impact on wildlife is unclear. Government officials say that 162 sea turtles have died, about half a dozen bottle nose dolphins have died. The sea turtles have not been thoroughly examined yet but federal officials say this seems related to the oil spill. And they admit they have no idea what's happening in the deeper waters because they can't watch it.

Also on Tuesday, nearly two dozen tar balls were found off Key West, Fla., the U.S. Coast Guard said, but the agency stopped short of saying whether they came from the massive oil spill.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/ ... 6846.shtml



Atlantic coast now under threat as current spreads Gulf oil slick
Scale of disaster apparent as no-fishing zone doubles and controversial dispersant is used

18 May 2010

There was mounting evidence last night that the scale of the oil spill disaster in the Gulf of Mexico has grown beyond all the initial worst-case scenarios, as thousands of gallons of oil continued to gush from the sea floor.

On the island of Key West, south of Florida, coastguard officials said about three tar balls an hour were washing up on the beaches of a state park. They said the globs of concentrated oil suggest leaking crude has now become caught up in the powerful loop current and could move from the gulf up to the Atlantic coast.

Meanwhile, an oceanographic research ship reported sighting a 10km (six-mile) plume lurking at depths below 1,000 metres and invisible from the surface.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Nordic » Wed May 19, 2010 3:32 am

When CBS News tried to reach the beach, covered in oil, a boat of BP contractors with two Coast Guard officers on board told us to turn around under threat of arrest.


Did I read that correctly?

Who the FUCK do they think they are?

Wow that really pisses me the hell off.

We should all go down there and get out there in boats and tell them to FUCK THE HELL OFF if they try to arrest us. The ocean is PUBLIC.

Unbelievable!!!
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Wed May 19, 2010 9:07 am

Nordic wrote:
When CBS News tried to reach the beach, covered in oil, a boat of BP contractors with two Coast Guard officers on board told us to turn around under threat of arrest.


Did I read that correctly?

Who the FUCK do they think they are?

Wow that really pisses me the hell off.

We should all go down there and get out there in boats and tell them to FUCK THE HELL OFF if they try to arrest us. The ocean is PUBLIC.

Unbelievable!!!


A blockade of corporate assholes combined with the military preventing our "free press" from covering a story that could hurt the corporo-government nexus. It really doesn't get much more fascist than that.

I'm afraid that this is going to end up being a disaster of biblical freaking proportions, and most people have already moved on to the next scandal/crisis du jour.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby NeonLX » Wed May 19, 2010 9:11 am

Nordic wrote:
The ocean is PUBLIC.


Kinda like "our" airwaves?
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Gouda » Wed May 19, 2010 11:29 am

Florida State scientist: NOAA ignores spill findings

A prominent oceanographer, who was among the first to say official estimates understated the volume of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, charged Tuesday that a federal agency is punishing scientists whose findings disagree with government figures.

Ian MacDonald, an oceanographer with Florida State University, who more than two weeks ago said the oil spill was likely five times as large as the 5,000 barrel-a-day estimate from the National Oceanic Atmospheric and Administration, said the agency is attacking scientists who challenged government estimates, while itself doing little to glean new information about the spill size.

“The scientific community in the Gulf of Mexico is fairly small ... and we've been very dedicated for a long time and not only is nobody listening to us in this, but it seems like they really want us to shut up,” MacDonald said. “It's very, very punitive and anybody who is doing this is getting attacked by NOAA.”


A NOAA spokesman did not address MacDonald's claims directly, but said that the agency's spill response includes scientists with key federal agencies as well as partners in the scientific community and the private sector.

80,000 barrels a day?

The stinging criticism comes amid debate about the size of the oil spill emanating from BP's Macondo well about 40 miles off the coast of Louisiana. An April 20 blowout in a well under 5,000 feet of water triggered the oil spill, destroyed the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig, and killed 11 workers.

Some independent scientists have made estimates that sharply depart from NOAA's estimate, which equates to 210,000 gallons a day.

Based on various models, including measurements of satellite imagery of the surface slick and an analysis of wellhead video released by BP, some scientists estimate the volume of oil spilling from the well as 25,000 to 80,000 barrels a day.

NOAA and BP have stuck with the 5,000-barrel estimate, although Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said Tuesday the government is preparing new estimates.

Oceanographers, environmentalists and government officials say knowing the true size of the oil spill is critical in determining how the spill will affect ocean and coastal ecologies, as well as the extent of clean-up costs and liabilities.

MacDonald's comments were prompted partly by a NOAA news release Monday that characterized as “misleading, premature and, in some cases, inaccurate” media reports about spill research aboard a government vessel in the Gulf

Reports this weekend quoted independent ocean scientists as saying they had discovered large underwater plumes of oil suggesting the scope of the spill could be bigger than estimated based on the surface area of the slick.

MacDonald said NOAA hasn't substantiated its own estimate, leading MacDonald to assume it “was just made up — literally in the middle of the night.”

Lawmakers have scheduled a subcommittee hearing today to investigate the scope of the spill.

Scientists to testify

Several scientists, including Steve Wereley, a professor of mechanical engineering at Purdue University, who made headlines last week after estimating the well could be pumping out as much as 80,000 barrels a day, will testify and examine new video of the leak BP released Tuesday.

As holder of the federal lease containing the Macondo well, BP is responsible for capping the well and cleaning up the spill. MacDonald says NOAA and the Coast Guard should press BP harder for information to help scientists quantify the spill.

Some Houston oil and gas professionals questioned spill estimates from academics outside of the energy industry, but they said BP must have information by now that could lead to more accurate estimates.

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/bus ... 11584.html
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Nordic » Wed May 19, 2010 11:37 am

Wow, it actually gets worse:

Kelly Cobiella reports that a CBS News team was threatened with arrest by Coast Guard officials in the Gulf of Mexico who said they were acting under the authority of British Petroleum.


http://cryptogon.com/?p=15552

So our Coast Guard is now working for a foreign Big Oil Corporation.

Wow ....!
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Wed May 19, 2010 11:47 am

Nordic wrote:Wow, it actually gets worse:

Kelly Cobiella reports that a CBS News team was threatened with arrest by Coast Guard officials in the Gulf of Mexico who said they were acting under the authority of British Petroleum.


http://cryptogon.com/?p=15552

So our Coast Guard is now working for a foreign Big Oil Corporation.

Wow ....!


I just looked at the clock, and we're about 3 minutes til Rollerball.

In the film, the world of 2018 is a global corporate state, containing entities such as the Energy Corporation, a global energy monopoly based in Houston which deals with nominally-peer corporations controlling access to all transport, luxury, housing, communication, and food on a global basis.


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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby crikkett » Wed May 19, 2010 11:59 am

Gouda wrote:Florida State scientist: NOAA ignores spill findings

A prominent oceanographer, who was among the first to say official estimates understated the volume of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, charged Tuesday that a federal agency is punishing scientists whose findings disagree with government figures.

Ian MacDonald, an oceanographer with Florida State University, who more than two weeks ago said the oil spill was likely five times as large as the 5,000 barrel-a-day estimate from the National Oceanic Atmospheric and Administration, said the agency is attacking scientists who challenged government estimates, while itself doing little to glean new information about the spill size.

“The scientific community in the Gulf of Mexico is fairly small ... and we've been very dedicated for a long time and not only is nobody listening to us in this, but it seems like they really want us to shut up,” MacDonald said. “It's very, very punitive and anybody who is doing this is getting attacked by NOAA.”


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MacDonald's comments were prompted partly by a NOAA news release Monday that characterized as “misleading, premature and, in some cases, inaccurate” media reports about spill research aboard a government vessel in the Gulf

Reports this weekend quoted independent ocean scientists as saying they had discovered large underwater plumes of oil suggesting the scope of the spill could be bigger than estimated based on the surface area of the slick.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/bus ... 11584.html


So I read the linked article looking for exactly how scientists were being "attacked" and it seems that all NOAA has done is attempt to minimize these scientists' claims in a press release. The paragraph that mentions this (waaay down into the story, I hate how news is written these days) isn't even complete. It's cut off.

MacDonald's comments were prompted partly by a news release. Well, what else were they prompted by?

This isn't much of a story.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Gouda » Wed May 19, 2010 2:00 pm

crikkett wrote:
This isn't much of a story.

I suspect there is a story there, but the journalism certainly comes up short.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Wed May 19, 2010 2:16 pm

Foul language alert.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Wed May 19, 2010 10:11 pm

Just an update on local scuttlebutt you may not be hearing...

Locals are getting very angry. There are a variety of requests for permits and plans that local Parish presidents have submitted that are being ignored. These plans were unanimously approved by local environmental groups as well . It seems BP and more importantly for this subject, the Corp of Engineers (Fed Gov Agency) are to blame. The Corps is not in good standing here as 5 years ago, Katrina revealed they fucked up and short changed/cut corners on the levee system. There is much more infuriating things involving them (MRGO, for example), but suffice to say, here we go again with these fuckers.

From what I am hearing, and listening to callers on local radio, it seems the Coast Guard, Corp of Engineers, etc. are ALL in collusion with BP. I just heard on the radio, Billy Nunguesser (one Parish President) break down on the radio in tears, and calling for the arrest of whomever is letting this happen. His claim is that barrier requests were asked for 2 weeks ago, and still no reply. It is about to get into some of the marsh, and the fear is, once that happens, it will be ruined.


Also, a cleanup guy called in. It seems BP subbed out some of the cleaning and the subs are screwing the temporary guys over. They were told they'd work x number of hours, for x number of weeks. Made them take all sorts of HAZMAT classes for a week, then told today that they would only be working for two weeks. These people came from far to do this, and now they get dumped. Par for the course though, right?
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