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Re: Spill Baby Spill!

Postby chiggerbit » Tue May 18, 2010 7:15 pm

Sorry, don't know if this has been posted yet:


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Oil spill imperils an unseen world at the bottom of the gulf

By Joel Achenbach
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, May 16, 2010; A01


In total darkness at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico lives a creature with many scuttling legs and two wiggling antennae that jut from a pinched, space-alien face. It is the isopod, Bathynomus giganteus, a scavenger of dead and rotten flesh on the mud floor of the gulf.

"If you think of a giant roach, put it on steroids," said Thomas Shirley, a marine biologist at Texas A&M University. "They can be scary big."

There is beauty in the lightless deep as well. Fan corals, lacylike doilies, form gardens on the seafloor and on sunken ships. The deep is full of crabs, sponges, sea anemones. Sharks hunt in the dark depths, as do sperm whales that feed on giant squid. The sperm whales have formed a year-round colony near the mouth of the Mississippi River, and have been known to rub themselves on oil pipes just like grizzlies rubbing against pine trees.

This is the unseen world imperiled by the uncapped oil well a mile below the surface of the gulf. The millions of gallons of crude, and the introduction of chemicals to disperse it, have thrown this underwater ecosystem into chaos, and scientists have no answer to the question of how this unintended and uncontrolled experiment in marine biology and chemistry will ultimately play out.

The leaking gulf well, drilled by the now-sunken rig Deepwater Horizon, has cast a light on a part of the planet usually out of sight, out of mind, below the horizon, and beyond our ken. The well is surrounded by a complex ecosystem that only in recent years has been explored by scientists. Between the uncapped well and the surface is a mile of water that riots with life, and now contains a vast cloud of oil, gas and chemical dispersants and long, dense columns of clotted crude.

"Everybody fixates on the picture of the cormorant or the bird flailing around all covered with oil, and while that's obviously sad to see, no one should assume there's not similar things occurring in the open ocean," said Andy Bowen, an oceanographer at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts. "It's not like the open ocean is irrelevant."

More is known about the surface of the moon than about the world at the bottom of the sea. Scientists long ago clung to the "azoic hypothesis" about the deep -- the presumption that nothing could possibly be alive so far from the photosynthetic world.

Gradually that belief succumbed to living proof to the contrary. Life finds a way. Instead of photosynthesis, there is chemosynthesis. Organic matter rains into the depths from higher in the water column. Oil itself is a part of this mysterious universe, leaking naturally from the seafloor. It is testament to life's ingenuity that for some bacteria, oil is food.

The broken well is 5,000 feet below the surface, on the continental slope, which is the long hill that runs from the edge of the continental shelf to the abyssal plain in the central gulf. The pressure is about 2,230 pounds per square inch, 152 times that of the atmosphere at sea level. The temperature is just a few degrees above freezing.

But the Deepwater Horizon well is in an area that is comparatively well explored. Scientists have been actively studying the deep coral reefs of the gulf, in many cases venturing personally in submersible vessels that can withstand the crushing depths. This strange realm can be disorienting.

"It's sort of like being in the Grand Canyon with the lights out and in a snowstorm," Bowen said.

The topography is full of knolls, hills, canyons -- the leaking well is located in Mississippi Canyon Block 252 -- and the sea bottom is not simply mud.

"You can go one place and it would be like quicksand. You can move over another ways, and it would be as hard as a sidewalk," said Rich Camilli, an oceanographer at Woods Hole who in 2006 made a series of dives to the gulf floor eight miles northwest of the blown-out well. His journey about 3,000 feet below the surface took place right after an earthquake.

"It looked like all hell had broken loose on the seafloor," Camilli said.

Embedded in the mud are structures made of methane hydrates, the slushy ice that forms when pressurized gas mixes with very cold water at depth. These are the hydrates that accumulated inside a huge steel containment dome that had been lowered over the major leak from a collapsed pipe. Because of the hydrates, BP engineers had to abandon that strategy for capturing the leaking oil.

When Camilli observed hydrates after the earthquake, they "had broken away from the seafloor and had floated up and away. They're buoyant. One site, called Sleeping Dragon, a massive hydrate block was working its way out of the seafloor -- about the size of a school bus. There were pockmarks where the hydrates come out of the sea floor."

This region of the gulf is fertilized by organic matter from the Mississippi River. It is rich in plankton and other organisms. The result is what is called marine snow, which is easily seen in the brief snippets of video released by BP that show the leaking pipe.

"There's this particulate matter that's falling like rain, or like snow, through the ocean, all the way from the surface to the bottom," said Peter Etnoyer, a marine biologist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. "There's thousands of creatures in the water column. As you descend though the water column, you'll see many bioluminescent plankton."

The depths of the gulf are also a potential answer to a question that has been in the air for weeks now: Where, exactly, has all the oil gone? A partial explanation is that the slick has been bombed with more than half a million gallons of the chemical dispersant Corexit 9500, made by Nalco. More dispersants have been applied at depth, directly on the main leak. Much of the oil sinks to the bottom.

"If you apply the dispersants to the source of the oil down there, you are completely hiding the problem," said Kert Davies, research director for Greenpeace. "It looks like it's gone away, but there is no 'away' in the ocean. It's like sweeping it under the rug."

Shirley, the marine biologist, notes that oil is not a foreign substance in the gulf: "What most people haven't considered is that there's 48 million gallons of oil that's leaked naturally in the gulf every year."

Ian MacDonald, the Florida State University professor who has gained attention with his estimate, based on aerial images, that the leak is five times the official estimate of 5,000 barrels a day, said nature will ultimately have to fix the gulf mess. "BP is not going to clean up this spill," he said. "The Coast Guard is not going to clean up this spill. What's going to clean up this spill is the physical, chemical, biological process of the good ol', poor, downtrodden Gulf of Mexico."

Life is an active and improvisational agent in the deep water. Corals have found purchase on dozens of ships sunk in the gulf in 1942 when Nazi U-boats patrolled the shipping lanes. Scientists study the doomed vessels to get a better idea of coral growth rates at depth.

Less than a mile from the uncapped well, now upside down, is the hulk of the Deepwater Horizon rig. It is now, in effect, an artificial reef, destined to become another garden of the deep.
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Re: Spill Baby Spill!

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Re: Spill Baby Spill!

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed May 19, 2010 1:38 am

Gulf Oil Spill: Government Remains Blind To Underwater Oil Hazard
First Posted: 05-18-10 06:14 PM | Updated: 05-18-10 06:14 PM


The Obama administration is actively trying to dismiss media reports that vast plumes of oil lurk beneath the surface of the Gulf of Mexico, unmeasured and uncharted.

But the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, whose job it is to assess and track the damage being caused by the BP oil spill that began four weeks ago, is only monitoring what's visible -- the slick on the Gulf's surface -- and currently does not have a single research vessel taking measurements below.

The one ship associated with NOAA that had been doing such research is back in Pascagoula, Miss., having completed a week-long cruise during which scientists taking underwater samples found signs of just the kind of plume that environmentalists fear could have devastating effects on sea life of all shapes and sizes.

Meanwhile, the commander of the NOAA vessel that the White House on Friday claimed in a press release "is now providing information for oil spill related research" told HuffPost on Tuesday that he's actually far away, doing something else entirely.

"We are in the Western Gulf doing plankton research," said Commander Dave Score, reached by satellite phone on his research vessel, the Gordon Gunter. "So I really don't know. I'm just on orders."

Indeed, you can track the Gordon Gunter right here.

Two other NOAA research vessels are also in the area, but not monitoring the spill: The Thomas Jefferson, which has spent the last five days in Galveston, Texas; and the Oregon II, which has been under repair in Pascagoula for almost six months.

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NOAA director Jane Lubchenco on Monday decried media reports about plumes of underwater oil as "misleading, premature and, in some cases, inaccurate." (See the Huffington Post and New York Times coverage.)

Lubchenco implicitly criticized scientists on the Pelican, a research vessel operated by the NOAA-affiliated National Institute for Undersea Science and Technology (NIUST), for being hasty in its pronouncements to the media.

"No definitive conclusions have been reached by this research team about the composition of the undersea layers they discovered," Lubchenco said in her statement. "Characterization of these layers will require analysis of samples and calibration of key instruments. The hypothesis that the layers consist of oil remains to be verified."

NIUST, while partially funded by NOAA, is a cooperative venture with the University of Mississippi and the University of Southern Mississippi. And it was the Pelican crew's idea -- not NOAA's -- to start taking underwater measurements, although NOAA was perfectly happy to take credit for it, initially.

NOAA officials did not respond to repeated questions from the Huffington Post on Tuesday, and therefore did not explain how they could possibly assess or track underwater oil without having any vessels out taking measurements. Nor did they explain how the Gordon Gunter showed up in an administration press release.

Doug Helton, the emergency response coordinator in Seattle who is NOAA's trajectory expert, answered his phone but wouldn't say much. "It's still a pretty dynamic situation as to what's in the field today, as opposed to yesterday," he hedged, before saying he would call back after getting clearance from NOAA's public affairs office. There was no call back.

"The fact that NOAA has missed the ball catastrophically on the tracking and effects monitoring of this spill is inexcusable," said Rick Steiner, a University of Alaska marine conservationist who recently spent more than a week on the Gulf Coast advising Greenpeace. "They need 20 research ships on this, yesterday."

Steiner explained: "This is probably turning out to be the largest oil spill in U.S. history and the most unique oil spill in world history," on account of it occurring not on or near the surface, but nearly a mile below.

"They should have had a preexisting rapid response plan," he told HuffPost. "They should have had vessels of opportunity -- shrimp vessels, any vessel that can deploy a water-column sampling device -- pre-contracted, on a list, to be called up in an event that this happened. And they blew it. And it's been going on for a month now, and all that information has been lost."

Steiner gave credit to the scientists on the Pelican, but noted that at most they had sampled less than 1 percent of the affected waters. "The Pelican happened to drop some of their sampling devices into a plume and found it, but there have to be plumes elsewhere, and the biological implication are vast."

NOAA officials "haven't picked it up because they haven't looked in the right places," he said. "There have to be dozens of these massive plumes of toxic Deepwater Horizon oil, and they haven't set out to delineate them in any shape or form."

Frank Muller-Karger, an oceanography professor at the University of South Florida who will be testifying before the House Energy Committee on Wednesday, said that testing for oil beneath the surface should be a top priority.

"I think that should be one of our biggest concerns, getting the technology and the research to try to understand how big this amorphous mass of water is, and how it moves," he said.

"It's like an iceberg. Most of it is below the surface. And we just have no instruments below the surface that can help us monitor the size, the concentration and the movement."

Muller-Karger said there are all sorts of implements that researchers should be deploying, including optical sensors and current meters. "I think that now people are really scrambling to get some vessels out there," said Muller-Karger. "I think we're going to need a fleet of research vessels."

In addition to measuring the amount of oil, researchers need to study the effect on fish larvae and bacteria, he said. "Very big fish and very prized fish are moving in to spawn -- it's a critical time of the year," he told HuffPost. "Larvae from the fish may end up eating droplets of oil.

On Tuesday, Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla,) released four new videos showing oil billowing out of the Deepwater Horizon blowout site.

Steiner said NOAA is not only failing to fully measure the impact of the spill, but, he said, "if they rationally want to close and open fisheries, then they need to know where this stuff is going."

As it happens, NOAA announced Tuesday that it is doubling its Gulf fishing ban to encompass 19 percent of the federal waters.

But Steiner said it is quite possible, for instance, that some plumes are being carried by a slow deepwater southwest, toward the coast of Texas. More oil than is already visible could be entering the Loop Current, which could carry it past the Florida Keys and up the Atlantic coast.

"And truly, they really need 20 or 30 vessels out there yesterday," Steiner said. "And I think they know that. And so all the spin -- that they have this under control, that there's no oil under the surface to worry about -- they're wrong, and they know it."
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Re: Spill Baby Spill!

Postby chump » Fri May 21, 2010 12:03 pm

We are getting the runaround (or should I say the roustabout) on this story. As usual, the major media and the Internet is gushing bullshit; and the public will never know what happened. Damn, there would be such a riot if people knew what really went on. (and I don't want to see that happen) I don't have to tell you how big this is. It is an incomprehensible mistake - whether it was done on purpose or not.

Right out of the chute, I sensed that the Deepwater Horizon Rig Disaster was intentional - such as the attacks of 9/11 - another inside job. That's the way it feels. The numerology, (11 victims, April 20th...), Earth Day, the Earth pooping bloody diarhea into the drinking water - stuff like that. Why do I think like that?

Conditioning? Intuition? Perhaps my imagination is getting the better of me: Dick Cheney, Count Dracula, Dr. Evil, and Fu Manchu duking it out; one faction pounding another in an ongoing World wide, Corporate WW III. Unfortunately, I have found a few articles that substantiate that notion.

US SABOTAGE OF BP?
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2010/05/u ... of-bp.html

RI-Carlyle, Kissinger, SAIC & Halliburton: A 911 Convergence
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=27052&p=318948

RI-holdovers from one administration to the next
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=26572&p=318703

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0125/ ... a-involved

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 052802/pg1

10-suspects-and-motives-as-to-why-the-gulf-oil-spill-was-an-inside-job
http://deadlinelive.info/2010/04/30/10- ... nside-job/

Was Goldman Sachs was short selling? It was reported, then it was a joke, and then it was reported to be true:

http://pesn.com/2010/05/05/9501645_No_j ... _email.htm
In closing, consider that EVERY false-flag event that has occurred has involved put options and PONZI schemes of one sort or another. The FED and the U.S. Treasury are upside down to the tune of $5.5 QUADRILLION. Lindsey was very surprised that I knew so much about the fraud in the markets---and within the oil industry. He devoted a major portion of his "The Elite Speak" DVD #3 to the fraud committed by the financial markets. He assured me, both on and off the air, that ALL of my information was !00% correct. The event on April 20, 2010 has all the earmarks of a Bush-staged event done on behalf of Israel.All the connections are there, including Cheney/Halliburton, Marc Rich (aka Hans Brand) from Transocean, Ltd., Zug, Switzerland and Houston, TX. GS, the Treasury, and the FED all have motives. They are all one and the same.


http://www.picassodreams.com/picasso_dr ... rsant.html
Then, I read that "BP’s investment in Nalco and oil industry representation on the board as the main reasons that Corexit was used instead of Dispirsit, which EPA testing shows to be twice as effective and a third less toxic. Yes, BP is hedging its losses with the profit it will make with its investment in Nalco, but who else benefits?

Follow the money...and the money goes to Goldman Sachs and friends."


Is there more corporate intrique? Haliburton had just bought Boots and Coots, who happens to specialize in "intervention and pressure control". Of course, Halliburton was respnsible for cementing the well that blew out. I wonder how that all works out? Who else bought whom, and where does the money go? Does it matter at this point? This is an major investigation in itself. Perhaps, the SEC could find out.

There were so many ways that the Deepwater Horizon could have been sabotaged, trying to figure it out is like trying to figure out who demolished the WTC, under 5000' of water. Who are those tuna fishermen who took that video of the rig burning? "...a service boat in near vicinity to the rig heard what they interpreted to be an undersea explosion, the boat was rocked a short time afterward by a surge on the surface, and then the deck blew up. How many other boats were around there?

Who was on the rigs deck? Is the story anything like it was reported on 60 minutes? Should I prefer to believe that they fucked up, that the cement failed, or the BOP didn't work, or got stuck open with debris; that BP may have been in just a bit of a hurry to move on, that they didn't want to commit another 10 days and $10M to do the job right. Sixty Minutes explained it pretty well - like the nineteen hijackers. Unfortuntely, I've learned not to believe what the government or 60 minutes tells me. It seems as though they want to blame it on BP! We can't believe them either. Who is going to investigate?

Speaking of "blowouts", those BP execs really know how to party.

BP executives were aboard rig celebrating safety record when methane triggered blast
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0508/bp-exe ... red-blast/

...A group of BP executives were on board the Deepwater Horizon rig celebrating the project's safety record, according to the transcripts. Meanwhile, far below, the rig was being converted from an exploration well to a production well...

...The BP executives were injured but survived, according to one account. Nine rig crew on the rig floor and two engineers died.

"The furniture and walls trapped some and broke some bones but they managed to get in the life boats with assistance from others," said the transcript.

The reports made Bea, the 73-year-old industry veteran, cry.

"It sure as hell is painful," he said. "Tears of frustration and anger."...


Who were the "execs"? Some were hurt? They could have been killed? First it was said that they were there to celebrate the Deepwater Horizon's perfect 7 year safety record; but it wasn't perfect. Then, they were there to celebrate a huge discovery well. I could believe that. Then again, maybe they wanted to make sure things got done the way it was planned. Did they get fired? Where did they go? Don't they have a story to tell?

Another thing that bothered me was that they sprayed so much water on the rig, it sank. Was the rig intentionally sunk? Would it have been better, as some have said, to let the gas and oil burn off, while they work on an intact riser down below? It has been suggested that the Deepwater Horizon sank because so much water was sprayed on it. Though I must say, that was a hot fire; fueled from the original source, and it had been raging for two days. But, again, there was an explosion before the rig listed and sank. Needless to say, the evidence, "the records of a critical safety test", went down with the with it.

http://www.slate.com/id/2253193

Here's what we know for sure about the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico: On April 20, the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded, killing 11 people onboard; 36 hours later, it sank into the ocean. Investigations are under way to determine the cause of the accident and how it might have been prevented. So far, these have focused on what caused the explosion in the first place (was it a bad cementing job by Halliburton?) and what caused a blowout preventer safety device to fail. But it may be just as important to figure out why the oil rig capsized and sank beneath the waves. This latter event may have turned a manageable disaster into a full-scale catastrophe.

In the first hours after the explosion, most of the spilled oil was burning off in the fire, and the initial damage estimates were small. But when the Deepwater Horizon turned over on its 400-foot pontoons, the mile-long pipe that connected it to the underwater wellhead collapsed like a mess of spaghetti. Now the oil is leaking from this jumbled steel on the ocean floor at two sites where the pipe buckled and broke. If the first rescue crews on the scene had somehow been able to prevent the rig from sinking, they might have disconnected the pipe safely and capped it near the surface.

So what happened? The fireboat crews tried to extinguish the flames as quickly as possible so they might board the oil rig to search for survivors and contain the spill. In the end, though, their efforts to battle the fire may have made the situation worse. By pouring hundreds of thousands of gallons of water and flame-retardant foam onto the rig, it's possible that the fireboats helped sink the Deepwater Horizon.

The oil rig appeared to be floating in the water with a slight list when the initial rescue crews showed up. According to one of the people coordinating the response, Capt. Farhat Imam, the rig did not seem in imminent danger of sinking. (At that point, there was just a "minimal sheen of oil" on the water, he says.) As the fire raged on, the list increased, and then the platform really began to tip over during the six hours before it finally capsized on April 22. Fireboats had continued to pour water and flame-retardant foam onto the rig the whole time.

At the moment, there's no way to know how much the rescue effort contributed to the sinking. It's possible that the blaze was hot enough to melt the steel superstructure of the oil rig, which could have shifted enough weight to make it capsize regardless of the water and foam. But photos of the rig as it was going under show the largest structural members still intact, although the smoke and flames make it difficult to see clearly.


Are we looking at one financial faction fighting against another? Is Halliburton trying to ruin BP so they can be bought for pennies on the dollar? Look at how the price oil of oil has dropped! Is Transocean keen to collect the insurance money? By the way, the corporations will eventually deny their responsibility for this - such as in the Exxon (BP)-Valdez oil spill - and the taxpayer will end up footing the bill. FWIW. Is this an attack on the USA? Or the Gulf Coast population? What's this about Agenda 21?

As I mentioned above the media coverage has been pretty unreliable in regard to how the blowout was started and how much oil is being gushed. The reason that I am writing about this now, in the midst of every thing else that I have going, is that it is a big deal. It is a distinct possibility that someone is going to nuke that hole, or another one like it. How many people in the world would do something like that? Maybe we shouldn't be flexing our military muscles. We'll all be holding onto our nylon socks.

Does mankind have the intelligence and compassion not to do that? Does it matter what we think?

Whoa! Alright. Time to go to my happy place. Next time I'll write something happy.
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Re: Spill Baby Spill!

Postby Nordic » Fri May 21, 2010 1:28 pm

Well I keep thinking it fits the bill of "we can't pump the oil at home, so we're just gonna have to steal it from overseas, using our military".

Then again, the affects of greed and corporate ego can't be underestimated.
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A friend of mine mentioned hearing about this method of cleaning up the Persian Gulf Spill, wondering why it wasn't being used for the Gulf of Mexico.

Could Secret Saudi Spill Hold Fix for Gulf Slick?


May 14) -- Even as proposals pour in for cleaning up the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, one veteran of a massive (and secret) crude spill in the Persian Gulf says he has a tried-and-true solution.

Now if only the people who could make it happen would return his calls.

"No one's listening," says Nick Pozzi, who was an engineer with Saudi Aramco in the Middle East when he says an accident there in 1993 generated a spill far larger than anything the United States has ever seen.

An engineer who witnessed a crude spill in the Persian Gulf in 1993 says BP should use a fleet of empty supertankers to suck crude off the water's surface.
According to Pozzi, that mishap, kept under wraps for close to two decades and first reported by Esquire, dumped nearly 800 million gallons of oil into the Persian Gulf, which would make it more than 70 times the size of the Exxon Valdez spill.

But remarkably, by employing a fleet of empty supertankers to suck crude off the water's surface, Pozzi's team was not only able to clean up the spill, but also salvage 85 percent of the oil, he says.

"We took [the oil] out of the water so it would save the environment off the Arabian Gulf, and then we put it into tanks until we could figure out how to clean it," he told AOL News.

While BP, the oil giant at the center of the recent accident, works to stanch the leak from the sunken Deepwater Horizon rig, Pozzi insists the company should be following his lead.

AOL News could not independently verify Pozzi's account, but one former Aramco employee did acknowledge that there was a large spill in the region in the early '90s, and that Aramco had used tankers to clean up earlier oil slicks.

Pozzi, now retired, spent 17 years of his career in Saudi Arabia, part of it as a manager in Aramco's technical support and maintenance division.

Shortly after the April 22 sinking of the Deepwater Horizon, he and a friend, Houston attorney Jon King (with whom Pozzi recently launched a business called Wow Environmental Solutions), traveled to Houma, La., headquarters for BP's response center, to offer up the lessons he'd learned working in the Persian Gulf.

Ever since, he says, the pair's been stonewalled.

When he called the manager at BP in charge of the cleanup effort, Pozzi says he was told "don't bother me."

"He said, 'Follow procedures,' " Pozzi recalls. "He said, 'I'm taking names and I'm going to sue you.' "

Next, Pozzi and King phoned the president of BP and left a message with his secretary. An hour later, though, they received a call from "from a young lady in BP headquarters" who asked how she might assist them. They told her about their plan -- but have received no further contact.

Then, early this week, the duo say they spoke with Capt. Ed Stanton, the Coast Guard commander overseeing a length of the affected coastline. Stanton asked for a written proposal. That's the last Pozzi and King heard from him.

"It sounds so simple that they turn around and say, 'That was years ago. We've got modern technology now,' " Pozzi says. "But their modern technology isn't working too well
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Re: Spill Baby Spill!

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Sat May 22, 2010 7:02 pm

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A friend of mine mentioned hearing about this method of cleaning up the Persian Gulf Spill, wondering why it wasn't being used for the Gulf of Mexico.

Could Secret Saudi Spill Hold Fix for Gulf Slick?


The response to the disaster has been like putting a band-aide on a cut artery.

When does this become criminal negligence?

When will the states take over the response and fuck BP, Obama and Congress?
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Re: Spill Baby Spill!

Postby Col. Quisp » Sat May 22, 2010 7:17 pm

They are not doing much because they can't, and they know most people don't give a shit until they actually smell the oil in their backyards, if ya know what I mean. To many people, this is no different from any "ordinary" "spill." Sure, we've had big spills before and we're still here. But by the time people realize this has the potential to kill everything in the ocean and then we'll all die, there won't be anyone left to squawk about it. C'est la vie. Or, I could be completely wrong again.

All I can tell you is, in a conversation with a friend a couple of weeks ago, when I told him I had read it might go up the eastern seaboard, he scoffed at me. Today, I heard from a friend who lives in MD that they said on the local news last night that within a few months, the Chesapeake Bay will be dead. Or rather, all life in the Chesapeake Bay will be dead. That was on the mainstream TV local news. Why aren't most people worried? I know of some who are sick to their stomachs thinking about it but most people just don't even talk about it because they'd rather believe it is just another oil "spill." And that it is gonna get cleaned up, no biggie.

Well, if we create our own reality, we sure did a bang up job with this one!
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Re: Spill Baby Spill!

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Sat May 22, 2010 9:06 pm

DoYouEverWonder wrote:The response to the disaster has been like putting a band-aide on a cut artery.

When does this become criminal negligence?

When will the states take over the response and fuck BP, Obama and Congress?


I guess I got my answer?

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JP officials commandeer BP's hired boats in Grand Isle

May 22, 2010

GRAND ISLE, La. - Jefferson Parish Emergency managers say they have commandeered all of BP's hired boats in Grand Isle.

A representative for Jefferson Parish Emergency chief Deano Bonano said they requested immediate action after oil moved into the marsh passes and onto the beaches in Grand Isle.

He said more than 40 boats were sitting idle while he watched the oil rush into the passes.

At around 5:30 p.m., Jefferson Councilman Chris Roberts confirmed the boats have been commandeered by JP emergency managers.

http://www.wwltv.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/JP-officials-commandeer-BPs-hired-boats-in-Grand-Isle-94668304.html



About damn time.

The Federal Government and BP Oil are criminally negligent at the least. Time for the Gulf States to take over this mess.
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Postby 2012 Countdown » Sat May 22, 2010 10:03 pm

DYEW- I saw that on the news and said to myself, hell yeah! Its about time Jefferson Parish take the reigns. Its a power parish. They have pull.
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Postby 82_28 » Sat May 22, 2010 11:14 pm

DoYouEverWonder wrote:
DoYouEverWonder wrote:The response to the disaster has been like putting a band-aide on a cut artery.

When does this become criminal negligence?

When will the states take over the response and fuck BP, Obama and Congress?


I guess I got my answer?

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JP officials commandeer BP's hired boats in Grand Isle

May 22, 2010

GRAND ISLE, La. - Jefferson Parish Emergency managers say they have commandeered all of BP's hired boats in Grand Isle.

A representative for Jefferson Parish Emergency chief Deano Bonano said they requested immediate action after oil moved into the marsh passes and onto the beaches in Grand Isle.

He said more than 40 boats were sitting idle while he watched the oil rush into the passes.

At around 5:30 p.m., Jefferson Councilman Chris Roberts confirmed the boats have been commandeered by JP emergency managers.

http://www.wwltv.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/JP-officials-commandeer-BPs-hired-boats-in-Grand-Isle-94668304.html



About damn time.

The Federal Government and BP Oil are criminally negligent at the least. Time for the Gulf States to take over this mess.


This shit could disband the whole of the US federal govt. All of their power is spread all across the fucking world doing their corporate deeds for a little eagle with a tear super imposed upon an image of the twin towers. And then this happens!. Right in the middle of what is supposedly the ill gotten military's work force -- the stupid ass south bible belt racist fucks. Time for some riots peeps. They're coming, you better believe it.
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Postby Mx32 » Mon May 24, 2010 1:43 pm

‘death in the ocean from top to bottom’
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 134581.ece

Onshore, small landfalls of the same sludge have started to cause panic among locals as they coat the marshes. Here, just a few feet beneath the surface, a much bigger disaster is unfolding in slow motion.

“This is terrible, just terrible,” says Dr Shaw, back on the boat. “The situation in the water column is horrible all the way down. Combined with the dispersants, the toxic effects of the oil will be far worse for sea life. It’s death in the ocean from the top to the bottom.”

Dispersants can contain particular evils. Corexit 9527 — used extensively by BP despite it being toxic enough to be banned in British waters — contains 2-butoxyethanol, a compound that ruptures red blood cells in whatever eats it. Its replacement, COREXIT 9500, contains petroleum solvents and other components that can damage membranes, and cause chemical pneumonia if aspirated into the lungs following ingestion.

But what worries Dr Shaw most is the long-term potential for toxic chemicals to build up in the food chain. “There are hundreds of organic compounds in oil, including toxic solvents and PAHs (polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons), that can cause cancer in animals and people. In this respect light, sweet crude is more toxic than the heavy stuff. It’s not only the acute effects, the loss of whole niches in the food web, it’s also the problems we will see with future generations, especially in top predators.”
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Postby Nordic » Mon May 24, 2010 3:49 pm

Just saw a video of aerial spraying of these "dispersants". Nasty. Spraying poison into the ocean, on top of poison that's already there.

And I'm wondering -- WTF is using a "dispersant" really all about?

Isn't it easier to clean up the oil if it's floating on the surface and all globbed together?

I submit that dispersants are being used to HIDE the damage. Because the oil breaks up, a bit, and sinks below the surface.

Why else use these fucking chemicals?

It's to hide the crime. More crime, to hide the crime. More poison to hide the poison.
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