Controlled demolition: disinfo?

by **cortez** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:31 am

I want to post but not on the last line of the page Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=cortez@rigorousintuition>cortez</A> at: 10/12/05 11:32 pm

by **cortez** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:43 am

I think the more we look the more we find. The WTC is not a dead issue, or a dead end. here's another article that will most likely be making some rounds. Another 9/11 Smoking Gun? from <a href="http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/10/another-911-smoking-gun.html">georgewashington.blogspot...g-gun.html</a> Emergency personnel tapes released in August contain the following statements concerning "flashes" in the world trade centers prior to their collapse: The captain of emergency medical services said<a href="http://sfgate.com/gate/pictures/2005/09/10/ga_karin_deshore.pdf">"somewhere around the middle of the world trade center there was this orange and red flash coming out ... initially it was just one flash then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode ... and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides ... as far as could see these popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger going both up and down and then all around the building"</a> (page 15 -- pdf file; Google's web version is here) Similiarly, the Assistant Fire Commissioner stated<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Gregory_Stephen.txt">I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they . . . blow up a building. . . ?” .</a> In the same statement, the Assistant Commissioner recounts how a lieutenant firefighter he spoke with independently verified the flashes. Compare these two videos from a leading controlled demolition company: Can you see orange flashes all over the near-side of this building in <a href="http://www.controlled-demolition.com/images/client/jlhudson.mpg">this authenticated video of a controlled demolition?</a> Do you see orange flashes at the base of this building in <a href="http://www.controlled-demolition.com/images/client/kingdome.mpg">this demolition video by the same demolition company?</a> (both videos are posted at the <a href="http://WorldRecords">World Records</a> section of Controlled Demolition's website) Does the above-described evidence tend to prove that controlled demolition explosives were used in the twin towers? Or could a series of orange and red flashes accompanied by popping sounds immediately prior to the collapse of the towers have been caused by something else? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=cortez@rigorousintuition>cortez</A> at: 10/12/05 11:47 pm

by **israelirealities** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:47 am

I am new to this line of thinking re 9/11, as a none american. This is interesting and I was wondering if there is a concise description of the main alternative explanations to this event (like one page, paragraphed brief description of each explanation rated according to level of acceptance by people). My initial and instinctive response was to think Israel is involved, and there were several indications for that from the perspective of people who were in Israel at that time. However, the Israelis might have just jumped on the ride, if they knew in advance about the plan, and made some modifications/interventions. (the idea of the Israelis actually assisting the moslems - covertly - appeals to me from a strictly literary perspective). Is there any more or less "acceptable/mainstream alternative explanation" ? (I notice the contradiction in terms...but you know what I mean). Sorry for being so ignorant and interfering in this thread without "doing my homework" first. If this is too tedious, ignore request.

by **Sweejak** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:26 am

Loizeaux Brothers, the famous team of expert building demolishers has abandoned the intricate and time consuming process worked out and perfected thru years of demolition experience in favor of flying jets into the building to be demoslished and simply watching as steel melts and buildings pancake.

by **Homeless Halo** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:36 am

Israel: The currently most popular "mainstream alternative" theory is LIHOP. That is that the government had at least advanced warning of this sort of scenario and allowed it to happen regardless in an attempt to further their own goals. That it happened at all is the best evidence for this. Our government is always pretty well damned near god-all-powerful except when it benefits their politics to allow themselves to get bruised. Besides this there are loads of "coincidences" and "circumstantial" evidence that has a led a number of people (about 1/4 of the population where I live, Detroit) to believe that it goes deeper, and that there are certain elements within the structure of AT LEAST the American government that acted in collusion with the Islamofascists, perhaps even hiring them and/or assisting them. The best evidence for this, as with the above, is that, historically an attack on this scale is usually an inside job. Statistics from a survey of history would indicate that it is likely that there is NO SUCH THING AS AN "OUTSIDE" JOB. For further info on the "evidence", you'll be forced to wade through mountains of conflicting theories, as the only piece of evidence that could have conclusively settled this for history was destroyed by the accused themselves. (the remains) (IR, where in Israel are you?/What is the rumor mill in your neck of the woods?)

by **Sweejak** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:00 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>For further info on the "evidence", you'll be forced to wade through mountains of conflicting theories, as the only piece of evidence that could have conclusively settled this for history was destroyed by the accused themselves. (the remains)<hr></blockquote> No foolin. And the fact that the evidence, the steel, the videos, the black boxes, the computer tapes (remember those) are missing is yet another big piece of smoking evidence. I think Brian Salters Questions Questions is among the best but my god, to wade into this line of research is a real tangle if you follow the various charges of disinfo agents, provocateurs, holograms, pods, and the whole can of worms. I'm not an engineer or physicist and so have to rely on others analysis, especially with some of the more technical areas. For instance the seismic spikes, which I think are now disproven as an anomoly. In the end while still looking for the incontrovertable smoking gun the real impact is the political actions taken in the name of 9-11. As a parallel, does anyone really care if diesel or kerosene was used in the Reichstag Fire? While it may be important the real significance of that event is what Hitler did with it. The same goes for weather modification. Was Katrina manipulated? While there are tantalizing bits of info and "coincidences" I feel I can say of course she was, by the political agenda that followed.

by **Homeless Halo** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:46 am

The scariest thing about the idea of weather manipulation is that it makes those capable guilty not only for all the times they caused disasters but for all the times they did not prevent them, which, theoretically, should be as simple.

by **israelirealities** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:26 am

Thanks for the explanation, what is LIHOP stand for ? so the demolition theory is not so popular ? I sense it does have something to it, if you think that there was warning that was not acted on, then someone else may have "assisted" the action, so that it becomes more spectacular and effective in terms of devastation. I am from Jaffa, which is part of Tel Aviv. We don't have a mill here, you just have to think for yourself and read between the lines. It is a HUGE taboo to even joke about these matters. The only ones who do it openly are Palestinians, and they are basically the best source of alternative information with respect to Israeli scams of the sort you discuss. Another "millieu" of sorts is the extreme religious wing, while they are super patriots, they are also more adept at not believing the government, cause they ahve their own network of information in their synagogues or what not. They were also victimized by the government's scams now, with the disengagement plan and so they became paranoid as a group. But the "regular" ISraeli JEws would not dare say any of this out loud even if they think it and have doubts. There is a LOT of control and fear. Its either you are a reliable citizen OR a traitor/loonie. Very difficult situation here in terms of freedom of thought, speech etc. One would rather play dumb than lose the privileges. I've been around and about lots of places, and so i look at who is where, and then you can understand a lot. Like, if you see who was in NYC the days before, or who flew from here to there, etc., and there are people who are known to be "affiliated" with this crap or that crap, you can know a lot. But to say that out loud, or should I say, even THINK that (sometimes) is scary. Israelis tend to "split" their awareness so as not to deal with this kind of knowledge and process it. You don't want to get into trouble, but inside, many people here KNOW a lot. But I don't know if I am making this clear enough, its like a wife that sees her husband in the coffee shop kissing a blond, and she "blocks" it out, or brushes it as "i am probably imagining this". This is a very common situation when you have a conflict between what you know and what you WANT to know. Most people, if the stakes of processing knowledge is too high, would maintain this "split" consciousness. This is how holocaust happened and this is how sexual predators mollest dozens of children, etc. Predators, spies, tyrants...are very aware of how to create a zone of fear based denial, and in that lee way (sp?) they can perform the worst atrocities. This is also the principle of censorship and official secrecy. They know you know, but there's a difference between knowing in the heart and spelling it out. So, in Israel that "twilight zone" has increases and stretched recently and almost the entire governance, military and diplomacy are thrown in that place, where nobody want to verablize the atrocities, corruptions, scamps and mafia crimes they KNOW. ZOmbies. So, actually, if one is just willing to step out of the comma, any average, well educated and well connected Israeli can be a clearinghouse of information on global scale. Its all out there. Its a small place. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=israelirealities@rigorousintuition>israelirealities</A> at: 10/13/05 6:41 am

by **Homeless Halo** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:39 pm

LIHOP = Let It Happen On Purpose. As in the Pearl Harbor attack by Japan in WW2, which even the History channel in America now maintains was LIHOP because the administration knew that it was neccessary that America enter the war sooner than later. (If not for LIHOP at Pearl Harbor, WW2 would probably have been even worse, its one of the few scenarios wherein I agree with the "conspirators") MIHOP = Made it Happen On Purpose This would include the more elaborate theories like CD. This is very controversial and difficult for most Americans to think about, because they have all been raised on the idea that America is the good guy in every situation. It starts with Children's television (GIJOE) and continues through the evening news (HARDBALL). Those people on the "left" that choose to question the right gvt's actions and knowledge tend to shy away from MIHOP for the same reason they leave things like UFOs and RA for the tabloids, because it only takes something being called a "conspiracy theory" to have it immediately labelled as crazy and certainly untrue/unfounded etc. You'd think after several seasons of the X-Files that the average american would enjoy a bit of healthy skepticism, and the truth is, they do. Most Americans realize that their government lies constantly and that there is probably lots of evil things going on, but no one wants to be a "conspiracy theorist" so no one talks about what we all know (i.e. the CIA killed JFK) to be true. In this sense, America seems to have much in common with Israel, even though we are theoretically allowed to talk about anything we choose. Americans live in a state of denial, and a lot of it isn't their fault. They are forced to work themselves to death, taught nothing about anything going on in the world, but taught that it is America's responsibility to uphold freedom and liberties and grand ideals in the world. Americans' own virtues represent the greatest threat to their continuing freedom, because they allow themselves to be manipulated for the purpose of aiding/combating abstract ideas like "freedom" and "terror". The flaw in the controllers plan has been to make America's illusions of freedom so strong. Eventually, the spectacle will defeat actual reality entirely, which is what the controllers plan has been all along. They will discover their stategic mistake about twenty minutes after this finally happens.

by **israelirealities** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:59 am

though we are theoretically allowed to talk about anything we choose. This is still very important, if it does not change under the law. Because as I see it now, the constitution might still prove effective, more or less, to oust the Bush administration from office, and his friends. While the alternatives are not great, in the larger framework, still its a huge difference for the whole world, between say Bush and Clinton. Whereas in Israel since we never officially and legally had any protected civil rights, there is no telling where this is going in terms of military dictatorship. And I cannot see a man like SHaron being elected in the USA even as mayor. However, the so called "Labor guys", like Peres (and Rabin), are also military junta, only look a bit better...that's the main difference between Israel and places like England or USA...there is actually NO political power outside the Junta. Peres is by no means more democratic or less deadly than Sharon, he established the nuclear machinary in ISrael, without even official government decision, let alone a more democratic process. He formed the worse internal security system, that even your president cannot bear to see their faces and ordered them ousted or Israel will be left out of major security projects. Rabin, before Oslo, fought together with Sharon in Lebanon and I remember him running around the fields with Sharon and enthusiastically suggesting to :"stop the water supply to Beirut for three days and see what happen". But nobody likes talking about it in the world, because there is a general Orwellian slogan - Israel is the only democracy in the Mid East... What you describe about the mindset of AMericans sounds correct to me. It is going to be, or already IS, a choice between being an Empire OR a Democracy. as for LIHOP - *I like the acronym - sounds plausible to me, governments DO that, and Israel does that a lot more than we'd like to know. Namely, faking terror attacks, to create a certain public atmosphere or influence world leaders. The dangerous possibility here, that Israel, the US and some Arab leadership joined hands on this huge terrorist attack, to justify a war that is basically a private looting enterprise for certain social groups within all three societies (and throw in Britain, Australia and etc.) is disturbing cause this could actually be the first war by multinational corporations, against civilians, without any political, religious or national pretext. and BTW, Canada, that objected, later joined in the dividision of looting, and sort of made a bid for its objections, and probably made a pretty good fortune. This should concern citizens from all the world, because the targets are all of us, people who are not part of the groups that make the money from this fake war, our rights are being curtailed and we are also asked to be the ones "sacrficing" something for this fake war. Its a new world order already.

by **Homeless Halo** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:06 am

Yeah, the new world order already happened. America is a corporation run by a board of directors who have every intention of bleeding their employees drying, and who could care less about the future of their company. I think in the long run, the fatal mistake will be that of convincing some 200 million people with assault weapons that they have freedom and that it is their responsibility to fight for it. That if this freedom wasn't to be real, that it was a huge error to pretend it was, because those 200 million people are dumb enough to believe it.

by **israelirealities** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:13 am

Actually I am relying on those 200 millions with assault weapons to do just that. This is, as I said, the only difference between the USA and other places, people have guns and they feel it is their personal duty to protect their freedom against their own federal government. THis is why we all fell for America in the first place, its a real notion of liberty that has never been around, in the world before. I always tell people here that if anyone is able to knock out Bush its going to be right wing folks, maybe KKK with guns, who just had enough of his hoaxes and his attempt to take away their personal freedom to lynch whoever they damn want to lynch and hate. Which proves again that there is a place and time for everything.

by **Homeless Halo** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:20 am

Oh, my friend. My eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the lord. Just wait till those hundred million some odd angry christians realize he's a satan worshipping child fucking piece of shit. All the hordes of hell will not be enough to save his sorry ass.

by **Sweejak** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:20 pm

Very interesting take. In fact all your on the ground observations from Israel are. I deeply hope that it won't be the KKK or similar but it might be these guys: <a href="http://www.oldright.com/">www.oldright.com/</a> As an observation I have been noticing many more "liberals" at gun shows. How do I know they are/were "liberals"? I don't really, except for a few that I do know, they just look like it, meaning long hair and tie dyes. Actually with the abandonment of progressives by the Democrats and the utter treason by the MSM I'm seeing what Kaminski sees when he talks about the "Radical Middle". <a href="http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/05/0807-middle.html">www.rudemacedon.ca/kamins...iddle.html</a> I suppose it is necessary for me to say that I do not endorse everything that Kaminski says, in fact I have never been able to agree entirely with any of his articles but I think he has a point with the radical middle thing.

by **cortez** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:57 pm

<a href="http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/firefighter-tape.htm">www.thememoryhole.org/911...r-tape.htm</a> 9:25 a.m 1. Ladder 15: “Go ahead, Irons. 1. Ladder 15 Irons: Just got a report from the director of Morgan Stanley. 78 seems to have taken the brunt of this stuff, there’s a lot of bodies, they say the stairway is clear all the way up, though. 9.48am 1. Ladder 15: “What do you got up there, Chief?” 1. Battalion Seven Chief: “I’m still in boy stair 74th floor. No smoke or fire problems, walls are breached, so be careful.” 1. Ladder 15: “Yeah Ten-Four, I saw that on 68. Alright, we’re on 71 we’re coming up behind you.” 9.52am 1. Battalion Seven Chief: “Battalion Seven … Ladder 15, we’ve [only] got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones.” 10:05 a.m: 1. The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses

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