it's clear now: BP intentionally caused spill

[justdrew]

seems fairly clear, given the goldman bullshit, and we know the primary cause was the order to remove the mud and put in seawater, drillers on the rig knew it would cause problems. They did this shit intentionally. I think there's a range of probable motives, but of course we can't be sure WHY, but the timing, on Earth Day... the constant efforts to sink Obama with this... and look at the polls... looks like we're going to have a rethug congress here any month now, ready willing and able to go fully batshit crazy in oh so many ways...

stick a fork in it, this country is as good as dead. anyone doubt it?

primarily, I think the depopulation total collapse agenda is being moved into actualization phase. Taking all the seafood nearly-permanently off the table will prevent the gulf from supporting a large population of troublesome savages once the food distribution breaks down.

[ninakat]

stick a fork in it, this country is as good as dead. anyone doubt it?

Since you asked:

DEEPWATER HORIZON WILL BE THE END OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
by Mike Ruppert
http://mikeruppert.blogspot.com/2010/06 ... nited.html

But yeah, I'm also thinking those put options on American Airlines -- oops, I mean those Goldman Sachs sales of BP -- right before The Event.... well, gee, what a coinkidink. I'm beyond disgusted. Maybe we deserve to go the way of the dinosaurs, really. I know, I know, there are bad guys in charge -- THEY did it, the rest of us are victims. Right?

Hmmmm.....

The End is nigh - Deepwater Horizon and the technology, economics, and environmental Impacts of Resource Depletion
by Richard Heinberg, Post Carbon Institute
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/52971

"It turns out that nearly everyone likes the idea of using less oil, but nobody wants to take the step of actually mandating a reduction in its production and consumption, because that would require us to dethrone our Holy of Holies—economic growth."

[justdrew]

these people don't give a damn about the company going under or whatever, they're all rich beyond the dream of kings, so what if their shares of BP become worthless? all their cash will soon be worthless too, think they care? Of course not, because they know what real wealth is and "the few" are likely well ready for the transition to post 20th century normalcy.

[chiggerbit]

all their cash will soon be worthless too, think they care? Of course not, because they know what real wealth is and "the few" are likely well ready for the transition to post 20th century normalcy.

Tell that to Fergie.

[justdrew]

all their cash will soon be worthless too, think they care? Of course not, because they know what real wealth is and "the few" are likely well ready for the transition to post 20th century normalcy.

Tell that to Fergie.

well, either she just wants some walking around money or she didn't make the list.

[DoYouEverWonder]

Remember when Saddam turned on the oil spigots at the end of the first Gulf War?

This is what Bush & Cheney and their oil buddies have just done to us.

And in the meantime, their laughing their asses off down in their hidey holes.

[geogeo]

the end of America--seems a bit hysterical. we are in much better shape than, say, Haiti... What scares me more is the yearning Americans have for Armageddon. They should all the watch/read The Road. Cannibalism--YEAH, BABY!

[justdrew]

\<] the end of America--seems a bit hysterical. we are in much better shape than, say, Haiti... What scares me more is the yearning Americans have for Armageddon. They should all the watch/read The Road. Cannibalism--YEAH, BABY!

give us two weeks after the food trucks stop running, we'll be there, in places at least.

no one thing adds up to doom, but the pattern is that the folks running the show seem to be intent on wrecking the train.

[Simulist]

I agree. Several of the things many people consider to be integral parts of "America" are most definitely over already. Expecting the thud of the next falling shoe not only isn't "hysterical," the dreadful sound might not even be particularly surprising anymore.

(That's not "yearning for Armageddon." That's listening to the mainstream news.)

[justdrew]

(That's not "yearning for Armageddon." That's listening to the mainstream news.)

well... I think there may be a undercurrent out there of wishing for it to come already. of course the use of the word Armageddon implies that the wishing is for one version or another of the christian eschaton (for which a large part of the population is very much wishing for, by dogma, if not personally), but I'm talking about civilization collapse (and the big-whigs plans to escape it). On that front I think within the mass mind a real kind of Destrado has set it for some time now.

[82_28]

I agree. Several of the things many people consider to be integral parts of "America" are most definitely over already. Expecting the thud of the next falling shoe not only isn't "hysterical," the dreadful sound might not even be particularly surprising anymore.

(That's not "yearning for Armageddon." That's listening to the mainstream news.)

That's what worries about this increasing posturing with Iran right now. If we have to nuke "our own" Gulf of Mexico, then who will care once Israel or the US nukes Iran? DOOOD! We Nuked ourselves bro! Give your hand wringing up. The world is better now. It's just nukes. Just nukes. Just nukes. Man are they parlaying for something big, should I not be mistaken.

[2012 Countdown]

I'm in the MIHOP camp, and borderline CD, but as far as this goes, I just see corporate criminality. it's "clear"?
Call me a skeptic so far.

Now the feds seeming to defer to BP and not give a shit is quite a shock, but i'm still not seeing this as part of a plan. I will grant you that if they were going for mass murder and environmental catastrophe, they're off to a good start.

[DoYouEverWonder]

\<] the end of America--seems a bit hysterical. we are in much better shape than, say, Haiti... What scares me more is the yearning Americans have for Armageddon. They should all the watch/read The Road. Cannibalism--YEAH, BABY!

We are witnessing an extinction level event in the Gulf of Mexico and it is entirely due to our own hubris.

[Simulist]

Yeah, so far I'm a skeptic on this also. At the same time however, I don't doubt that the vile bastards who really run America would slaughter each and every one of us (and probably billions more besides) if (A) they were pretty sure they could get away with it, and if (B) the payoff were big enough for them to make the effort worthwhile.

They'd probably sleep pretty well that night, too — rotting corpses and all.

Nothing is beyond the conscienceless capacity of these men.

[justdrew]

I'm in the MIHOP camp, and borderline CD, but as far as this goes, I just see corporate criminality. it's "clear"?
Call me a skeptic so far.

Now the feds seeming to defer to BP and not give a shit is quite a shock, but i'm still not seeing this as part of a plan. I will grant you that if they were going for mass murder and environmental catastrophe, they're off to a good start.

to quote the single action MOST responsible for initiating the fail:

At a Coast Guard hearing that started earlier this month and continued in New Orleans on Wednesday, Doug Brown, chief rig mechanic aboard the platform, testified that the trouble began at a meeting hours before the blowout, with a "skirmish" between a BP official and rig workers who did not want to replace heavy drilling fluid in the well with saltwater.

The switch presumably would have allowed the company to remove the fluid and use it for another project, but the seawater would have provided less weight to counteract the surging pressure from the ocean depths.

Brown said the BP official, whom he identified only as the "company man," overruled the drillers, declaring, "This is how it's going to be." Brown said the top Transocean official on the rig grumbled, "Well, I guess that's what we have those pinchers for," which he took to be a reference to devices on the blowout preventer, the five-story piece of equipment that can slam a well shut in an emergency.

So clearly the people who do the drilling knew this was a wrong move, but chose to follow orders, expecting their safety mechanisms to engage. Had they known the BOP would fail, I bet they would have refused to follow that order.