it's clear now: BP intentionally caused spill

[kelley]

Even if the fish aren't dying yet, do you really want to eat them?

I was actually thinking about this the other day, what if people stop eating fish because of this disaster? Will it be enough for the oceans to recover? I mean, I sure don't want to eat anything that comes out of the ocean anymore. Are there enough people like me?

destruction of the gulf fisheries brings the impending overfishing of the carolina coast, plus hastens the demise of the vietnamese wetlands and other southeast asian sources of fresh crustaceans as well. in any case, skrimpses are soon permanently off the menu throughout much of north america, followed by most of the world. the scope of the potential extinction event we're witnessing here is mind-boggling.

[Col. Quisp]

Speaking of wishing for the eschaton, I watched Jack Van Impe last night and he was positively drooling over the latest news, as if to say "See, I told ya so!" His eyes were sparkling and he was clearly manic. Rexella nodded in her dopey stupor. Man, she looks like death warmed over. She sounded like a ghoulish Marilyn Monroe as she breathlessly read the current headlines, stumbling over the words and adding commas after every other one. Sounded like her dentures were slipping. At one point she let her liver spots on her hands show. Ooops!

It was a truly exotic show. Highly recommended.

[Simulist]

Speaking of wishing for the eschaton, I watched Jack Van Impe last night and he was positively drooling over the latest news, as if to say "See, I told ya so!" His eyes were sparkling and he was clearly manic.

He sounds almost… impish.

[seemslikeadream]

Interesting headline

As Oil Slips Away, So Do Chances for Obama
By PETER BAKER
The oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico has made it harder for the Obama administration to focus on its other goals.

[justdrew]

There is no MIHOP here. Look, here is the testimony of the workers on the rig. It was hubris, pure cliched human short-sighted upsmanship, stanky-shiate power arrogance just like in any sci-fi disaster movie you've ever seen. Big wig BP guy overrides protocol despite workers' reservations, workers believe safety systems will save them, they are wrong, end result: disaster. Instead of a Hollywood movie, this time we get to contemplate our own extinction FOR REAL. Fun, don't ya think?

There is no big mystery here, none. Every single one of BP's decisions to this point is readily explained in terms of the bottom line and human fallibility.

It is extraordinarily harmful for those exposing real conspiracies to have others assume that anything or everything that goes terribly, horribly wrong in contemporary society is a fetid conspiracy as well. I call for rigor here, please, let's have some rigor.

yeah, this is all good and seems to be the case but... the process would have been the same if they'd been planning to have a minor mishap. Why would BP be so desperate that they have to over-ride the procedures and judgment of their experts to pull the mud out and put seawater in? I find it hard to believe there's any good reason to take such action or that it would "save time" in any way.

BP accounts for 97% of all the safety violations in the oil and gas industry...

surely there would be no controversy if I said, they intentionally took the risk?

If someone intentionally plays Russian roulette, and looses, didn't they intentional shoot themselves?

[Simulist]

There is no MIHOP here. Look, here is the testimony of the workers on the rig. It was hubris, pure cliched human short-sighted upsmanship, stanky-shiate power arrogance just like in any sci-fi disaster movie you've ever seen. Big wig BP guy overrides protocol despite workers' reservations, workers believe safety systems will save them, they are wrong, end result: disaster. Instead of a Hollywood movie, this time we get to contemplate our own extinction FOR REAL. Fun, don't ya think?

There is no big mystery here, none. Every single one of BP's decisions to this point is readily explained in terms of the bottom line and human fallibility.

It is extraordinarily harmful for those exposing real conspiracies to have others assume that anything or everything that goes terribly, horribly wrong in contemporary society is a fetid conspiracy as well. I call for rigor here, please, let's have some rigor.

yeah, this is all good and seems to be the case but... the process would have been the same if they'd been planning to have a minor mishap. Why would BP be so desperate that they have to over-ride the procedures and judgment of their experts to pull the mud out and put seawater in? I find it hard to believe there's any good reason to take such action or that it would "save time" in any way.

BP accounts for 97% of all the safety violations in the oil and gas industry...

surely there would be no controversy if I said, they intentionally took the risk?

Probably not.

If someone intentionally plays Russian roulette, and looses, didn't they intentional shoot themselves?

I don't think so, Drew, not really.

Some people have unprotected anonymous sex. If they later came down with AIDS, I wouldn't say they "intentionally" did this, just that they engaged in highly risky behavior.

[justdrew]

BP accounts for 97% of all the safety violations in the oil and gas industry...

surely there would be no controversy if I said, they intentionally took the risk?

Probably not.

If someone intentionally plays Russian roulette, and looses, didn't they intentional shoot themselves?

I don't think so, Drew, not really.

Some people have unprotected anonymous sex. If they later came down with AIDS, I wouldn't say they "intentionally" did this, just that they engaged in highly risky behavior.

yeah, it's a fine line but... If our hypothetical Russian roulette player instead spun the chamber and pointed that gun at a bystander who had no wish to play... and the bullet came up top and fired... I don't think anyone would say he could only be done for reckless endangerment or manslaughter. It'd still be murder wouldn't it?

[Simulist]

Yes, but you seemed to be asking if the incident was "intentional." I don't think there is sufficient evidence yet to say conclusively that the incident itself was "intentional," even though BP "intentionally" took the risks that led to the incident.

Was BP "responsible" though? Yes, clearly. Was this murder? In my judgment, yes — probably second or third degree murder.

But was the incident itself "intentional"? No, not clearly. Not yet.

[hanshan]

Even if the fish aren't dying yet, do you really want to eat them?

I was actually thinking about this the other day, what if people stop eating fish because of this disaster? Will it be enough for the oceans to recover? I mean, I sure don't want to eat anything that comes out of the ocean anymore. Are there enough people like me?

destruction of the gulf fisheries brings the impending overfishing of the carolina coast, plus hastens the demise of the vietnamese wetlands and other southeast asian sources of fresh crustaceans as well. in any case, skrimpses are soon permanently off the menu throughout much of north america, followed by most of the world. the scope of the potential extinction event we're witnessing here is mind-boggling.

Sad, but true. Mind-boggling.



....

[justdrew]

OK then, I guess there is a lack of evidence, and only sketchy theoretical bennefits so... I retract "clear" and will say instead:

A dark potential: BP intentionally caused spill?

That would make a lovely headline wouldn't it?

[Nordic]

OK then, I guess there is a lack of evidence, and only sketchy theoretical bennefits so... I retract "clear" and will say instead:

A dark potential: BP intentionally caused spill?

That would make a lovely headline wouldn't it?

One could certainly make an argument that our current political climate intentionally caused it. Two generations of the propaganda machine brainwashing us into believing that "government regulations are BAD BAD BAD" and insulting "environmentalists" by calling them all kinds of names and marginalizing them, not to mention acting as an aggressive enabler of a culturally-based economic addiction to crude oil, along with deliberately going out of its way to squashing any other alternate sources of energy ...

All of this did, indeed, quite literally cause this disaster.

Because this never should have happened. Yet it was inevitable. Utterly inevitable. And it will happen again.

[semper occultus]

the former BP boss before PR genius Haywood was ( Lord ) John Browne - who I note was a non-exec of Goldman Sachs til May 2007.

He had an interesting private life, that has some (admittedley vague - all consenting adults here ) resonances with my paedophile thread : he enjoyed a relationship with Jeff Chevalier "..a 25-year-old once-penniless Canadian male prostitute.."



The TRUE story about Lord Browne - by ex-rent boy lover

[chump]

I found this through http://www.mikeruppert.blogspot.com/:

http://investors.morningstar.com/owners ... ture=en-US

and this:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/ownership?s ... 20ADR%20BP

Goldman Sachs Asset management, L.P.sold 4.7 million shares; and GS Structured International Equity sold another 400,000 shares. It begs the question as to what they knew. This is the first confirmation that I have seen that GS did indeed dump a significant amount of shares just before April 20th - assuming that this information is accurate.

[ninakat]

Speaking of wishing for the eschaton, I watched Jack Van Impe last night and he was positively drooling over the latest news, as if to say "See, I told ya so!" His eyes were sparkling and he was clearly manic. Rexella nodded in her dopey stupor. Man, she looks like death warmed over. She sounded like a ghoulish Marilyn Monroe as she breathlessly read the current headlines, stumbling over the words and adding commas after every other one. Sounded like her dentures were slipping. At one point she let her liver spots on her hands show. Ooops!

It was a truly exotic show. Highly recommended.

Wow, I missed that episode. One of my favorite sit-coms.

[The Consul]

I doubt anticipatory complicity by Goldman Sachs unless it is to divine the common, grandiloquent ability of corporate heirachy to find it's way to massively fuck up everything.