260,000 classified embassy dispatches leaked?

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260,000 classified embassy dispatches leaked?

Postby DrEvil » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:29 am

From Wired's Threat Level :

Manning was turned in late last month by a former computer hacker with whom he spoke online. In the course of their chats, Manning took credit for leaking a headline-making video of a helicopter attack that Wikileaks posted online in April. The video showed a deadly 2007 U.S. helicopter air strike in Baghdad that claimed the lives of several innocent civilians.

He said he also leaked three other items to Wikileaks: a separate video showing the notorious 2009 Garani air strike in Afghanistan that Wikileaks has previously acknowledged is in its possession; a classified Army document evaluating Wikileaks as a security threat, which the site posted in March; and a previously unreported breach consisting of 260,000 classified U.S. diplomatic cables that Manning described as exposing “almost criminal political back dealings.”

“Hillary Clinton, and several thousand diplomats around the world are going to have a heart attack when they wake up one morning, and find an entire repository of classified foreign policy is available, in searchable format, to the public,” Manning wrote.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/leak/

I thought this might make a good first post. This thing could be huge if Wikileaks really has it and releases some or all of it.
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Re: 260,000 classified embassy dispatches leaked?

Postby Elvis » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:57 am

Thanks, this sounds really juicy!!

Sibel Edmonds always said that the most corrupt outfit in the government is the State Dept. An acquaintance who's an office worker there told me it's probably true and had "stories" but refused to say anything further.
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Re: 260,000 classified embassy dispatches leaked?

Postby Sweejak » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:08 am

If true Wikileaks has a huge honking hammer in their hands. I don't think they'll be touched.
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Re: 260,000 classified embassy dispatches leaked?

Postby jingofever » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:19 am

When Manning told Lamo that he leaked a quarter-million classified embassy cables, Lamo contacted the Army, and then met with Army CID investigators and the FBI at a Starbucks near his house in Carmichael, California, where he passed the agents a copy of the chat logs. At their second meeting with Lamo on May 27, FBI agents from the Oakland Field Office told the hacker that Manning had been arrested the day before in Iraq by Army CID investigators.

Lamo has contributed funds to Wikileaks in the past, and says he agonized over the decision to expose Manning — he says he’s frequently contacted by hackers who want to talk about their adventures, and he’s never considered reporting anyone before. The supposed diplomatic cable leak, however, made him believe Manning’s actions were genuinely dangerous to U.S. national security.
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Re: 260,000 classified embassy dispatches leaked?

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:19 am

Everywhere there’s a U.S. post, there’s a diplomatic scandal that will be revealed,” Manning wrote. “It’s open diplomacy. World-wide anarchy in CSV format. It’s Climategate with a global scope, and breathtaking depth. It’s beautiful, and horrifying.


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Re: 260,000 classified embassy dispatches leaked?

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:39 am

Of course the State Department is the most corrupt of all the agencies, because for 63 years it's been the premiere CIA front, other than the CIA itself. Every embassy is half made up of spooks pretending they're State Department. The results are above top secret and totally predictable.

It will be thrilling if this story is true!

(The CIA is its own front in the sense that it poses as an intelligence collection agency with 90 percent of the official employees merely engaged in analysis and some supposedly teeny-tiny covert operations section running an indeterminate number of contract agents. No one's supposed to know what anyone else is doing so it's okay. It's so unfair that they get branded! Like the respectable real estate developer who only burns down houses one night a month. How dare they call him an arsonist, that's such a small part of what he does!)
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Re: 260,000 classified embassy dispatches leaked?

Postby crikkett » Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:39 am

One of the commenters on the Wired.com article complained that 'enhanced interrogation methods' are not being used anymore.

Could that possibly be true?
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Re: 260,000 classified embassy dispatches leaked?

Postby elfismiles » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:38 pm

Thanks and WELCOME Dr. Evil!

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Re: 260,000 classified embassy dispatches leaked?

Postby MinM » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:41 pm

JackRiddler wrote:Of course the State Department is the most corrupt of all the agencies, because for 63 years it's been the premiere CIA front, other than the CIA itself. Every embassy is half made up of spooks pretending they're State Department...

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Re: 260,000 classified embassy dispatches leaked?

Postby jingofever » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:26 pm

Wikileaks disputes the 260,000 cable claim:

Allegations in Wired that we have been sent 260,000 classified US embassy cables are, as far as we can tell, incorrect.
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Re: 260,000 classified embassy dispatches leaked?

Postby Laodicean » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:18 pm

The State Department's Worst Nightmare

by Philip Shenon - The Daily Beast

An Army intel analyst charged with leaking classified materials also downloaded sensitive diplomatic cables. Are America’s foreign policy secrets about to go online? Philip Shenon reports.

The State Department and American embassies around the world are bracing for what officials fear could be the massive, unauthorized release of secret diplomatic cables in which U.S. diplomats harshly evaluate foreign leaders and reveal the inner-workings of American foreign policy.

Diplomatic and law-enforcement officials tell The Daily Beast their alarm stems from the arrest of a 22-year-old Army intelligence analyst based in Iraq who has reportedly admitted that he downloaded 260,000 diplomatic cables from government computer networks and was prepared to make them public.

Specialist Bradley Manning of Potomac, Maryland, who is now under arrest in Kuwait, is also accused of having leaked—to Wikileaks, a secretive Internet site based in Sweden—an explosive video of an American helicopter attack in Baghdad in 2007 that left 12 people dead, including two employees of the news agency Reuters. The website released the video in April.

“If he really had access to these cables, we've got a terrible situation on our hands," said an American diplomat. "We're still trying to figure out what he had access to. A lot of my colleagues overseas are sweating this out, given what those cables may contain.”

He said Manning apparently had special access to cables prepared by diplomats and State Department officials throughout the Middle East regarding the workings of Arab governments and their leaders.

The cables, which date back over several years, went out over interagency computer networks available to the Army and contained information related to American diplomatic and intelligence efforts in the war zones in Afghanistan and Iraq, the diplomat said.

He added that the State Department and law-enforcement agencies are trying to determine whether, and how, to approach Wikileaks to urge the site not to publish the cables, given the damage they could do to diplomatic efforts involving the United States and its allies.

Wikileaks, a website based in Sweden, that promotes itself as a global champion of whistleblowers, did not reply to emails from The Daily Beast.

In a comment on the social networking website Twitter, Wikileaks said that allegations that “we have been sent 260,000 classified U.S. embassy cables are, as far as we can tell, incorrect.” Wikileaks said it did not know the identity of the source who provided it with the 2007 video from Iraq. If Manning did leak the video, the site said, he is “a national hero.”

The State Department’s chief spokesman, Philip J. Crowley, said Monday that the department was involved in the Pentagon-led investigation to try to track down any cables that Manning may have stolen from interagency computer networks.

“These are classified documents,” he said. “We take their release seriously.” He said the public release of diplomatic cables could do damage to national security since they could reveal the "source and methods" used by the United States to gather intelligence overseas.

Even more alarming, diplomats say, is the idea that foreign leaders will now read what American diplomats have written about them in secret cables sent to Washington—evaluations of the leaders’ personalities, intelligence and honesty, among other things.

Alan K. Henrikson, a professor of diplomatic history at the Fletcher School at Tufts University, said the State Department should be “very nervous” at the prospect of the release of such a huge library of internal cables.

He said he would urge the department to try to comment as little as possible about the situation in hopes that, if the cables do become public, the aftermath can be dealt with foreign governments behind closed doors. “That’s diplomacy,” he said.

The State Department has suggested that, even if Wikileaks does not have the cables at the moment, the government still believes Manning had downloaded a huge library of the department’s cables and stored them somewhere.

Officials said that Pentagon investigators are searching through email accounts maintained by Manning as well as his computer hard drives in search of evidence of what cables he read—and where he may have sent them. It is not clear what, if anything, the American government could do to prevent Wikileaks or other foreign-based websites from disclosing the cables.

The Pentagon, which has said it is conducting an aggressive investigation, has not made Specialist Manning available for comment.

Manning’s arrest was first reported by Wired magazine, which said it had obtained a copy of an internet chat log in which Manning bragged to a former computer hacker about having leaked the video and the diplomatic cables to the website.

Wired said Manning told the former hacker, who had been profiled in the magazine, that he had stolen 260,000 classified American diplomatic cables from government computers and passed them on to Wikileaks.

“Hillary Clinton and several thousand diplomats around the world are going to have a heart attack when they wake up one morning, and find an entire repository of classified foreign policy is available, in searchable format, to the public,” he wrote, according to Wired. Kevin Poulsen, a senior editor at Wired, said in an interview that in the chat log, Manning did not specify the dates or identify the subject of the diplomatic cables, except to say that they contained scandalous information.

“Manning clearly did have access to top-secret networks and information, and he had a great deal of detailed information about how he supposedly interacted” with Wikileaks, Poulsen said. “That doesn’t prove that he leaked anything. But he was very convincing in the details he did give.”


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Re: 260,000 classified embassy dispatches leaked?

Postby Simulist » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:04 pm

Laodicean wrote:
The State Department's Worst Nightmare

by Philip Shenon - The Daily Beast

An Army intel analyst charged with leaking classified materials also downloaded sensitive diplomatic cables. Are America’s foreign policy secrets about to go online?

Secrecy has been the gun firing rounds into democracy for many, many decades. (And if there is a recoil once in a while, the intelligence community shouldn't be too surprised.)

When America's obituary is written, its intelligence apparatus should be named the perpetrator and secrecy its weapon.
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Re: 260,000 classified embassy dispatches leaked?

Postby compared2what? » Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:30 am

It might not mean anything at all that Philip Shenon and Judith Miller had some dual-byline stories of a rather shady nature back when he was at the Times. Plus one really shady one that he did on his own. Because a lot of those stories could have just been part of the hand the newsroom regularly dealt him, because it was withing the purview of his job description to cover that sort of thing, without any other implications attached.

On the other hand, it might mean something. He's been around a lot of blocks. FWIW.

Here's a little precis of the story that I personally consider really shady, plus some context from historycommons:

    On December 3, 2001, New York Times reporter Judith Miller telephones officials with the Holy Land Foundation charity in Texas and asks them to comment about what she says is a government raid on the charity planned for the next day. Then in a December 4, 2001, New York Times article, Miller writes that President Bush is about to announce that the US is freezing the assets of Holy Land and two other financial groups, all for supporting Hamas. US officials will later argue that Miller’s phone call and article “increased the likelihood that the foundation destroyed or hid records before a hastily organized raid by agents that day.” Later in the month, a similar incident occurs. On December 13, New York Times reporter Philip Shenon telephones officials at the Global Relief Foundation in Illinois and asks them to comment about an imminent government crackdown on that charity. The FBI learns that some Global Relief employees may be destroying documents. US attorney Patrick Fitzgerald had been investigating the charities. He had been wiretapping Global Relief and another charity in hopes of learning evidence of criminal activity, but after the leak he changes plans and carries out a hastily arranged raid on the charity the next day (see December 14, 2001). Fitzgerald later seeks records from the New York Times to find out who in the Bush administration leaked information about the upcoming raids to Miller and Shenon. However, in 2005 Fitzgerald will lose the case. It is still not known who leaked the information to the New York Times nor what their motives were. Ironically, Fitzgerald will succeed in forcing Miller to reveal information about her sources in another extremely similar legal case in 2005 involving the leaking of the name of CIA agent Valerie Plame.

Scroll up and down the page at the link for more stories tagged "Philip Shenon"! Also, show me another cat in a sink!

Anyway. It's pretty fucking hard to figure what legitimate news-gathering process would lead to a guy calling the target of an ongoing federal investigation the existence of which was then unknown outside the Justice Department to ask them how they feel about the major FBI probe they wouldn't have any way of knowing about if he hadn't asked that.

And equally fucking hard to figure how the public interest was or could have been served by reporting such a story at that stage of the game at all.

I mean, I'm all for maximum transparency and everything. But an investigation isn't news until it's public, barring stuff like a reason to think they're going for a politically motivated prosecution or....You know. Any other type of shenanigan that's along the same general abuse-of-power lines, broadly speaking. For lots of reasons. There might not ever be an indictment, for example. In which case, you'd just be fucking someone innocent up in public for sport, basically.

His reporting might not be all that reliable is what I'm saying. Or it might. I don't know. But he does have a history.
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Re: 260,000 classified embassy dispatches leaked?

Postby bks » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:33 pm

c2w? wrote:

It's pretty fucking hard to figure what legitimate news-gathering process would lead to a guy calling the target of an ongoing federal investigation the existence of which was then unknown outside the Justice Department to ask them how they feel about the major FBI probe they wouldn't have any way of knowing about if he hadn't asked that.


Nice catch on those stories, but since I'm a little daft when it comes to sussing out motives, what are you suggesting might be the motive here? Making a target aware it's being investigated wouldn't help that investigation, clearly. Are you suggesting that someone in the Justice Department wanted the targets to be alerted, so that incriminating evidence could be destroyed? And that Miller and/or Shenon were doing its bidding? Something else?

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