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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:00 pm

Storm system may slam Gulf, BP cleanup sites
Officials get ready for tropical storm that could threaten oil cleanup efforts

msnbc.com staff and news service reports
updated 9:18 a.m. PT, Fri., June 25, 2010

NEW ORLEANS - Beleaguered officials in New Orleans are now bracing for the possibility that a tropical storm that could descend on the Gulf of Mexico within the next 48 hours and delay oil spill recovery efforts in the area.

The National Hurricane Center said Friday morning that there is a 70 percent chance that a low-pressure area now developing over the western Caribbean Sea may pick up steam and head toward the Gulf, where oil facilities are clustered and BP continues to fight back the oil spill.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Simulist » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:09 pm

Jeff wrote:
Storm system may slam Gulf, BP cleanup sites
Officials get ready for tropical storm that could threaten oil cleanup efforts

msnbc.com staff and news service reports
updated 9:18 a.m. PT, Fri., June 25, 2010

NEW ORLEANS - Beleaguered officials in New Orleans are now bracing for the possibility that a tropical storm that could descend on the Gulf of Mexico within the next 48 hours and delay oil spill recovery efforts in the area.

The National Hurricane Center said Friday morning that there is a 70 percent chance that a low-pressure area now developing over the western Caribbean Sea may pick up steam and head toward the Gulf, where oil facilities are clustered and BP continues to fight back the oil spill.

...


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37921094/ns ... _the_gulf/

Hold onto your hats, boys and girls. The well might be broke, but the horse you're sittin' on ain't.

The potential for this situation to spin wildly out of control has existed, will persist, and is now much worse.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Cordelia » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:31 pm

And we're still in the early, early days of hurricane season!
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby ninakat » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:58 pm

The First OilCane? What Happens if a Hurricane Rides over the Oil Spill
Written by Art Horn
Thursday, 24 June 2010 16:45

The gulf oil spill is bad but it could become much, much worse and soon. The threat is a hurricane moving over the spill. If a hurricane’s violent winds track over the spill, we could witness a natural and economic calamity that history has never recorded anywhere or anytime. We will literally be in oil-soaked waters. We will have witnessed the first oilicane.

A category one hurricane (on a scale of 1 to 5) has maximum sustained winds of 74 to 95 miles per hour near the eye. A category five hurricane has maximum sustained winds of 156 to 200 miles per hour. The difference between the two storms is gigantic and non-linear. The latter hurricane may cause 250 times more damage than the former.

Water temperatures in the Atlantic Ocean are now running as warm or warmer than they did during the record setting season of 2005. This is significant. Warmer water means more heat and humidity over the tropical ocean to fuel hurricanes. Just as a car needs gasoline to fuel its engine, a hurricane needs hot, humid air because a hurricane is little more than a gigantic atmospheric engine. The warmer and more humid the air it breaths in, the faster its pistons pump and the stronger its winds become. The warmer water not only makes more hurricanes, it make more big ones. The 2005 season had a record 15 hurricanes. Nobody knows how many there will be this season. But it appears that it could be a big year.

Oil continues to gush out of the bottom of the gulf. Some progress has been made to reduce the amount escaping. Oil is washing up on shores and efforts are being made to clean it up. The good news is that most of the oil is confined to coastal areas. The bad news could come if a moderate to large hurricane rides over the spill.

The winds of a hurricane are so strong that the normal interface between ocean and atmosphere disappears. The winds begin to generate large waves. Spray is blown off the top of the waves. That spray mixes with the air so that after a short time there is no real boundary between what is ocean and what is the atmosphere. If a large hurricane moves over the spill, this chaotic mixture of water and air will inevitably also contain oil. The oil will become airborne and travel with the hurricane.

When hurricanes make landfall the winds push the ocean onto the land in what is called a storm surge. The height of the surge on land is dependent on several factors. The strength of the wind and the rate of forward motion of the storm is critical as to how much water is forced up onto the land. The diameter of the hurricane will also determine how much water is blown inland. The wider the storm the more water is pushed in and over a greater area. If the water is shallow offshore, the surge will be deeper on land. Naturally, the elevation of the land is important as well. The water off the gulf coast is shallow. The elevation inland is only a few feet. This area is prime territory for devastating and deeply penetrating storm surges.

Should a major hurricane push the spill towards the gulf coast there will be nothing that can be done to stop it. No amount of planning or engineering will help. No number of visits to the gulf by the president or any other official will stop the inevitable. The storm surge will drive the water and the oil miles inland. Everything in its path will be coated in a greasy bath of crude. Even the wind may have oil in it. In New England, I have seen hurricanes and tropical storms that have blown salt spray many miles inland from the coast. The leaves of the trees eventually turn brown and fall off. In the case of the gulf it will be oil that will spray the trees, buildings and everything else in the way. How far inland this oily mess will blow is anyone’s guess but it will be unprecedented in its economic and environmental damage.

The recovery period after a hurricane can take years. It was 10 years until some communities fully recovered from Hurricane Andrew in South Florida, some never recovered at all. The New Orleans area is still putting itself back together after Katrina in 2005. The recovery period after an oil-soaked hurricane -- or what could be called an Oilicane – is impossible to forecast but it could take years and many billions of dollars. One wonders if BP has the money to survive such a unique disaster. The human and natural losses from such an event could be historic.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:16 pm

The Great Gusher in the Gulf is a political, not simply an economic and environmental, crisis. “No amount of public disgust at BP has moved Obama to behave as if he is beholden to the majority that elected him – for the simple reason that he is not.”

America Can't Solve Crises Because It's a Company-Owned Town
by BAR executive editor Glen Ford

“The overlapping American mega-crises of Katrina, the Crash of 2008, the Great Gusher in the Gulf are 'both the products and the illuminators of the wholly corrupt relationship' between Capital and government.”

The United States can no longer engage effectively in “nation-building” in the one place on Earth it has a right and duty to do so: at home. These are the lessons of the 2010 Gulf oil catastrophe, the 2008 financial meltdown and the 2005 Katrina horror – disasters that history will rightfully conflate as symptomatic of the fundamental crisis of the rule of Capital. The U.S. has become a company town of speculative and extraction enterprises whose social and physical geography the rulers relentlessly appropriate, monetize and despoil - all with obscene abandon.

At the core of the100 or so activists that gathered in New Orleans for an Emergency Summit to Stop the Gulf Oil Catastrophe, last weekend, were veterans of the ravages of Disaster Capitalism following Hurricane Katrina. They had seen up close how Capital and its servants at all levels of government organized themselves as a public-private mob to drive Black and poor people from the city. They were witnesses to the crafting of a corporate consensus that the exiled poor should have no rights that conflicted with the imperatives of Capital – no right to return, no right to reclaim their lives, no rights that cannot be superseded by the claims and ambitions of the oligarchs. They had watched as finance Capital’s urban gentrification agenda was near-instantaneously put on fast-forward in New Orleans to ensure the permanent purging of the poor. A kind of perverse anthem seemed to rise from each corporate celebration of the city’s imminent and profitable rebirth: “Free the land – of Black people!”

“The U.S. has become a company town of speculative and extraction enterprises whose social and physical geography the rulers relentlessly appropriate, monetize and despoil.”

Now the land and bayous and sea are made hostile to all life by the depraved indifference of voracious extractors who monetized, securitized and derivitized the Gulf’s most deeply buried oil deposits years before the accursed Deepwater Horizon rig made its last, fatal thrust. The super-deep reservoirs of the Gulf were sold and their oil futures already leveraged to finance yet more assaults on man and nature, even before President Obama’s flip-flop on off-shore drilling in August, 2008, when he had the Democratic nomination in the bag.

Such world-shaping dealings have nothing to do with you and me, nothing to do with notions of democracy, because democracy does not exist in the United States, where finance capital and its extracting, hoarding, manipulating energy cousin, rule. There is no evidence of democracy anywhere that counts – not in the $14-plus trillion transferred directly to Wall Street, mostly by the quasi-public Federal Reserve, while the real economy in general and Black America in particular were stripped and gutted. No notions of an American social compact could deter the ruling class from acting out its pathologies on its own citizens when Katrina presented the opportunity. And no amount of public disgust at BP has moved Obama to behave as if he is beholden to the majority that elected him – for the simple reason that he is not.

Every element of the American political process is firmly in the hands of the oligarchy. The public only became aware of Barack Obama’s existence after he had been thoroughly vetted by corporate mechanisms of all kinds, including but by no means limited to the corporatist Democratic Leadership Council (see Bruce Dixon, Black Commentator, June 5, 2003). Obama’s informal – but quite binding – “contracts” with the oligarchs were concluded before he set foot in the U.S. Senate. The public was the last to know that the obscure politician Obama had become a “viable” prospect by corporate acclimation in the only “race” that counts – the early, business fund-raising contest. (The corporate consensus included BP, which gave Obama more money than any other candidate, and Wall Street, which was even more generous to the Nation’s First Black President.)

“Finance capital and its extracting, hoarding, manipulating energy cousin, rule.”

The U.S. government is divorced from the people because it is a creature of Capital. The three recent mega-crises are both the products and the illuminators of that wholly corrupt relationship. It is, therefore, quite logical that the activists of the Emergency Summit to Stop the Gulf Oil Catastrophe appear to direct their demands to both BP and Obama:

1) Stop oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Full compensation, retraining and new employment, including public works, for all affected,

2) The government and entire oil industry must allocate all necessary resources to stop and clean up the spill, prevent oil from hitting shore, protect wildlife, treat injured wildlife, and repair all devastation. Full support, including by compensation, must be given to peoples’ efforts on all these fronts and to save the Gulf.

3) No punishment to those taking independent initiative; no gag orders on people hired, contracted, or who volunteer; those responsible for this crime against the environment and the people should be prosecuted.

4) Full mobilization of scientists and engineers. Release scientific and technical data to the public; no more lying and covering up. Immediately end use of dispersants; full, open scientific evaluation of nature and impact of dispersants. Fund all necessary scientific and medical research.

5) Full compensation for all losing livelihood and income from the disaster.

6) Provide necessary medical services to those suffering health effects of the spill. Protect the health of and provide necessary equipment for everyone involved in clean up operations. Full disclosure of medical and scientific studies about the effects of the oil disaster.

No Nation-Building, Here

We are living in the late stages of overwhelming dominance (hegemony) of finance capital – and, secondarily, the oil and gas money-machines. It is a period characterized by destruction of the domestic manufacturing base and frenzied predation of the public sector. The mission of Capital’s servants in government is, therefore, to assist Wall Street and the energy sector in the fastest possible conversion of natural and social resources to private exploitation.

Those among the public and media that still harbor the illusion that government is there to serve the people, despite seeing so much evidence to the contrary, speak of a national “malaise,” a loss of purpose, a temporary failure or flaw in the national character. What nonsense! What we are witnessing is the destructive behavior of a predatory class that sees its future in trillion-dollar derivative bets; commodification of every conceivable resource (food, water, air?) and manipulation of every commodity market; privatization of every possible state function (schools, safety nets); constant expansion of the “market” in the maintenance of empire; and the “primitive accumulation” of the spoils of war.

“What we are witnessing is the destructive behavior of a predatory class.”

For such a class, there is no room, rhyme or reason for anything resembling domestic nation-building, and they will not assign their servants in government to any such project. Worse than simply being on their own, the people face the same oligarchic enemy at the commanding heights of both the public and private sectors: the Democrat and the banks, the Republican and Big Oil, and vice versa – and all of them aligned with the military complex.

The pace of disaster-making is quickening in America, which indicates something very much like “the end is near.”

Maybe these overlapping pyrotechnics of horror – Katrina, the Crash of 2008, the Great Gusher in the Gulf – are necessary to teach Americans the nature of class war, that it is, indeed, hell. At any rate, the oligarchs can be counted on to accelerate the processes of their own demise. It is up to the people to save themselves, through organizing; there are no guarantees.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:42 pm

Simulist wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Storm system may slam Gulf, BP cleanup sites
Officials get ready for tropical storm that could threaten oil cleanup efforts

msnbc.com staff and news service reports
updated 9:18 a.m. PT, Fri., June 25, 2010

NEW ORLEANS - Beleaguered officials in New Orleans are now bracing for the possibility that a tropical storm that could descend on the Gulf of Mexico within the next 48 hours and delay oil spill recovery efforts in the area.

The National Hurricane Center said Friday morning that there is a 70 percent chance that a low-pressure area now developing over the western Caribbean Sea may pick up steam and head toward the Gulf, where oil facilities are clustered and BP continues to fight back the oil spill.

...


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37921094/ns ... _the_gulf/

Hold onto your hats, boys and girls. The well might be broke, but the horse you're sittin' on ain't.

The potential for this situation to spin wildly out of control has existed, will persist, and is now much worse.


hurricanes/tropical storms + relative area of gulf leak ground zero=Bruckheimer summer movie potential proportions
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:34 pm

Stupak: BP won't let House panel talk to employees
Rep. Bart Stupak told The Associated Press on Friday that BP has cited its own ongoing investigation as its basis for denying access to the employees.

Stupak also says information gathered so far shows it could be difficult for the government to prosecute anyone for the spill because of the vagueness of environmental laws and the challenge of proving intent.


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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Simulist » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:42 pm

I'm totally with you on that 2012, but I think it's pretty clear "who" is running "what" — and it ain't "the people."

In fact the so-called "government of the people, by the people, and for the people" is somebody's poodle.

(With apologies to a venerable breed of dog.)
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:59 pm

Its just maddening. The impotence, incompetence, and complicity.

At least the barge project is going well. It shouldn't be a problem for this coming storm, but a Cat 3-5 hurricane would screw these all up.
A nice hurricane comes though, they'll be tossed all over. This was a big problem during Katrina. I live along the Mississippi. I had one halfway up the levee by my house.
Had a tugboat in drydock on it too. I have photos as proof.

They'll have to pack up out there in the gulf, a week before any storm begins to approach. Then add a week for it to pass. Then add a week to set up again.
That 3 weeks of pure, uninhibited OIL VOLCANO, unattended, and let on its own.
What a mess.
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Many of the grass covered islands in places like Bay Jimmy and Bay Baptiste in the Barataria Basin between Grand Isle and Lower Lafitte now have a brown rings around them. Those rings are BP oil.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Elvis » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:27 am

Nearly 16,000 highly trained, well-equipped war fighters are sitting on the sidelines in the battle for the Gulf Coast — and the fault lies not with the federal government but with the governors of the affected states.
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But more than six weeks later, the region's governors have deployed just 1,585 guardsmen — less than ten percent of this oil-fighting force — to the frontlines.



Probably they're keeping those National Guard troops on standby to forestall or quell a much 'worse' problem---a highly pissed-off citizenry taking matters into their own hands.

Especially if a hurricane makes things worse.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Elvis » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:47 am

A BP hack waxed eloquent,
I'm filled with the wonderment ...it's strangely peaceful... - just right for surrendering to some meditation....


Good LORD!

wetlands stridently pierced...
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Nordic » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:42 am

Okay, this will piss you the fuck off. It did me.

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La. Police Doing BP's Dirty Work [Video]

— By Mac McClelland| Tue Jun. 22, 2010 3:30 AM PDT

Everyone knows by now that BP is still blocking press access to oil-spill sites even though they're not supposed to anymore. I've been blathering about it for weeks, and it's been all of three days since four contractors wouldn't let me through the Pointe Aux Chenes marina outside Montegut, Louisiana. And though as of June 16 the federal government was saying helicopters could fly reporters as low as 1,500 feet around spill sites, on June 17 I was on a helicopter that was prohibited from flying below 3,000 feet (and whose pilot flipped silent birds at the "military guys" coming over the radio and hassling him about being in the area at all). But a Louisiana sheriff's deputy* pulling over a video camera-wielding private citizen because the head of BP security wanted to ask him some questions is a whole other level of alarming.

Last week, Drew Wheelan, the conservation coordinator for the American Birding Association, was filming himself across the street from the BP building/Deepwater Horizon response command in Houma, Louisiana. As he explained to me, he was standing in a field that did not belong to the oil company when a police officer approached him and asked him for ID and "strongly suggest[ed]" that he get lost since "BP doesn't want people filming":



Here's the key exchange:

Wheelan: "Am I violating any laws or anything like that?"

Officer: "Um...not particularly. BP doesn't want people filming."

Wheelan: "Well, I'm not on their property so BP doesn't have anything to say about what I do right now."

Officer: "Let me explain: BP doesn't want any filming. So all I can really do is strongly suggest that you not film anything right now. If that makes any sense."

Not really! Shortly thereafter, Wheelan got in his car and drove away but was soon pulled over.

It was the same cop, but this time he had company: Kenneth Thomas, whose badge, Wheelan told me, read "Chief BP Security." The cop stood by as Thomas interrogated Wheelan for 20 minutes, asking him who he worked with, who he answered to, what he was doing, why he was down here in Louisiana. He phoned Wheelan's information in to someone. Wheelan says Thomas confiscated his Audubon volunteer badge (he'd recently attended an official Audubon/BP bird-helper volunteer training) and then wouldn't give it back, which sounds like something only a bully in a bad movie would do. Eventually, Thomas let Wheelan go.

"Then two unmarked security cars followed me," Wheelan told me. "Maybe I'm paranoid, but I was specifically trying to figure out if they were following me, and every time I pulled over, they pulled over." This went on for 20 miles. Which does little to mitigate my own developing paranoia about reporting from what can feel like a corporate-police state.

The media liaison for the government-run Deepwater Horizon Response Joint Information Center told me BP would get back to me for comment on the incident. I'm still waiting.

* Correction/Update: This story originally stated that a Louisiana state police officer pulled Wheelan over, per Wheelan's recounting of the incident. My apologies to the state police for misreporting their involvement. After many calls made and messages left, I've finally confirmed that the cop in question was actually a sheriff's deputy for Terrebonne Parish. The deputy was off official duty at the time, and working in the private employ of BP. Though the deputy failed to include the traffic stop in his incident report, Major Malcolm Wolfe of the sheriff's office says the deputy's pulling someone over in his official vehicle while working for a private company is standard and acceptable practice, because Wheelan was acting suspicious and could have been a terrorist.






I don't know who is pissing me off more here, the rent-a-cops who think they can pull people over away from the actual property of the people who have hired them, OR the people who are LETTING these rent-a-cops, who have ZERO authority outside the actual real estate of the company hiring them, pull them over.

Why isn't anyone standing up to these fuckers? And why aren't the people of this place going to their Sheriff's department (they ELECT the fucking sheriff remember) and telling him in no uncertain terms that an off-duty sheriff's deputy under the employ of a corporation doing freelance security work also has ZERO authority to pull anybody the fuck over?

Why aren't all those macho tough-talking supposedly patriotic gun owners in the South not standing up to a company that's not even FROM this country? I mean, BP is beyond Yankees.

What the FUCK is wrong with people??
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:42 am

March 12 2010 predictions

Clif High on Rense: BP Oil Volcano

I will ignore any grief sent my way for posting Rense here, as I only do so because of this interview, the only opportunity at my disposal to disperse this info



Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:52 am

I've lost track is the water boiling vid here?
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
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Don’t forget that.
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