Unfortunately, it's time for an Al Gore sex thread.

[Sepka]

I have no trouble at all believing such a thing of Al Gore. The man's a colossal sleaze bag, and the masseuse's story just sounds credible. Sadly, it'll probably never be proven either way.

[Simulist]

I have no trouble at all believing such a thing of Al Gore. The man's a colossal sleaze bag, and the masseuse's story just sounds credible. Sadly, it'll probably never be proven either way.

Al Gore has certainly become more "colossal" over the years, but precisely how do you mean he is a "sleaze bag"?

Has there been well-documented evidence of behaviors similar to the allegations of this masseuse?

[anothershamus]

[The Consul]

Dear National Enquirer;

All Gore asked us to blow 5 grams of phenocylophene up his ass for $50. For a paltry $200,000 I will tell you the whole story in really disgusting detail.

Sincerely,
E Howard Hunt, G. Gordon Liddy and Karl Rove

[Sepka]

Has there been well-documented evidence of behaviors similar to the allegations of this masseuse?

Not that I'm aware of. I should probably have qualified that statement. He just gives off these very slimy vibrations, like the lowest sort of political opportunist. It's worth remembering that 25 years ago he and Tipper were pushing hard for censorship laws to 'protect' Americans from unchristian music and video games. That seemed to be the wave of the future at the time, and Gores were determined to ride it to power. Today it's 'climate change'. You'll note that Gore's strong convictions on the subject don't seem to limit his own carbon footprint. Admittedly I've got some bias here, as I tend to believe the worst where Al Gore is involved.

Apart from that, the masseuse's story just sounds believable to me. 'Sex crazed poodle' sounds like the kind of stupid thing that people actually say under stress, not like the generally more convincing dialogue that's invented after the fact.

[barracuda]

He just gives off these very slimy vibrations, like the lowest sort of political opportunist. It's worth remembering that 25 years ago he and Tipper were pushing hard for censorship laws to 'protect' Americans from unchristian music and video games. That seemed to be the wave of the future at the time, and Gores were determined to ride it to power.

I don't know. That idea only makes sense if you think Tipper Gore was in some way insincere in her belief that children shouldn't be exposed to horrocore and gangsta rap. She may have been a completely misguided ass, but she was obviously working within the schema of her true core convictions.

Today it's 'climate change'. You'll note that Gore's strong convictions on the subject don't seem to limit his own carbon footprint.

That's a complete right wing talking point you're parrotting. I find it ridiculous in the extreme, and unworthy even of your usual parrotting of right wing talking points.

Admittedly I've got some bias here, as I tend to believe the worst where Al Gore is involved.

That makes sense.

Apart from that, the masseuse's story just sounds believable to me. 'Sex crazed poodle' sounds like the kind of stupid thing that people actually say under stress, not like the generally more convincing dialogue that's invented after the fact.

I agree, actually. It's the timing of the resurrection of the story in the midst of the worst ecological disaster in history I find suspect.

[stoneonstone]

Interesting take on this in GLP:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 119590/pg1

(and I promised myself I wouldn't bother with this thread!)

[Sepka]

That idea only makes sense if you think Tipper Gore was in some way insincere in her belief that children shouldn't be exposed to horrocore and gangsta rap. She may have been a completely misguided ass, but she was obviously working within the schema of her true core convictions.

Tipper may well have been sincere, I'll grant.

That's a complete right wing talking point you're parrotting. I find it ridiculous in the extreme, and unworthy even of your usual parrotting of right wing talking points.

Are you contending then that Al Gore *does* practice what he preaches? Simply because the truth is politically convenient doesn't make it any less true. Whether or not AGW is true or a scam, Al Gore:

A. Tells us the world's future is at stake.
B. Is willing to push for legislation to control the behaviour of others.
C. Is unwilling to subject himself to the same rigours he prescribes for the masses.

That's the conduct of a charlatan.

It's the timing of the resurrection of the story in the midst of the worst ecological disaster in history I find suspect.

Well of course it's being resurrected to impugn the AGW camp in the public eye. Why does that bother you? Every AGW proponent from the President on down are doing their level best to use the "worst ecological disaster in history" to advance their political agenda, not through calm and rational discussion, but through the exact type of emotional association that's being used in the Gore case. Is dirty politics fair for one side but not for the other?

[barracuda]

Are you contending then that Al Gore *does* practice what he preaches? Simply because the truth is politically convenient doesn't make it any less true. Whether or not AGW is true or a scam, Al Gore:

A. Tells us the world's future is at stake.
B. Is willing to push for legislation to control the behaviour of others.
C. Is unwilling to subject himself to the same rigours he prescribes for the masses.

That's the conduct of a charlatan.

Get specific, weasel. What are you talking about in item "C"? How many lights are on in his private home? The amount of jet fuel his lecture tour requires? I suppose ideally one should promote global warming, or any environmental cause, for that matter, in the most energy efficient manner possible. I suggest jungle drums, or little notes handed from person to person.

Well of course it's being resurrected to impugn the AGW camp in the public eye. Why does that bother you? Every AGW proponent from the President on down are doing their level best to use the "worst ecological disaster in history" to advance their political agenda, not through calm and rational discussion, but through the exact type of emotional association that's being used in the Gore case. Is dirty politics fair for one side but not for the other?

Sepka, this has almost nothing to do with impugning AGW. It's about putting the lid on Gore's activism or commentary surrounding the Gulf disaster, and probably another of a series of steps obviously designed to cut him down to managable proportions which started when the Supreme Court was riggged to hand Bush the presidency.

stoneonstone, thanks for the link. The OP there has some of the thrust of what I'm thinking. Sepka, if you follow that discussion, there is talk that this may possibly have been engineered by the administration. I have my doubts, though.

[MinM]

Interesting take on this in GLP:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 119590/pg1

HoneytraBP

[Nordic]

http://www.kptv.com/yourvote/24263736/detail.html

Report: Gore Accuser Failed Lie Detector Test
Allegation Of Sex Abuse Emerged Last Month

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A masseuse who accused former Vice President Al Gore of groping and kissing her at a downtown hotel in 2006 failed a lie detector test and had a history of falsely accusing people of mistreating her, according to a report in this week's Portland Tribune newspaper.

Tribune editors said they found out about Molly Hagerty's sex abuse allegation against Gore 3 ½ years ago, but they didn't print an article because the newspaper's reporters thought her story lacked credibility.

The National Enquirer first reported the story last month and detailed Hagerty's accusations that Gore made unwanted sexual contact at Hotel Lucia in Portland.
Tribune editor Mark Garber said Hagerty's lawyer asked her to take a lie detector test and she failed, but that wasn't the reason they didn't print the story. He said the newspaper reporters' "personal interaction" with Hagerty raised red flags.

"We became concerned throughout dozens and dozens of conversations that she had with another editor and the reporter," Garber said. "They both became concerned about credibility issues as it relates to her story."

Hagerty told the National Enquirer recently that she had Gore's DNA saved on a pair of slacks. But this week's Tribune report said DNA tests showed there was no semen at all on the pants.

"What she told us about the pants was that she had had them tested and the test showed it did not contain Al Gore's semen," Garber said.

Tribune reporters and editors said they also questioned Hagerty's recollection of the alleged events, which contributed to their decision to not run the story.

"We still feel comfortable with the decisions that we made (not to run the story), although our decision is sort of irrelevant now to see that the allegations are out there anyway," Garber said.

Earlier this month, police said they reopened the Gore case because there should have been a decision made in 2009 at the command level on whether the investigation should go forward. That is when Hagerty came to officers with a prepared statement.

"It is our responsibility to both parties involved to conduct a thorough, fair and timely investigation," Portland Police Chief Mike Reese said July 1.
Detectives refused to give details about the ongoing investigation.

A spokeswoman for Gore's family said Gore has denied the allegation from the beginning and he continues to stand by that denial.

[compared2what?]

Are you contending then that Al Gore *does* practice what he preaches? Simply because the truth is politically convenient doesn't make it any less true. Whether or not AGW is true or a scam, Al Gore:

A. Tells us the world's future is at stake.
B. Is willing to push for legislation to control the behaviour of others.
C. Is unwilling to subject himself to the same rigours he prescribes for the masses.

And that's on top of this recent gem...

Possible actions?

Enforce the immigration laws. The American labour market has been permanently slack since the late '70s or so. Employers needn't bid competitively for short-term or unskilled labour, as there's an inexhaustible pool ready to take jobs for minimum wage. When you have a permanent pool of unemployed ready to take up slack in the labour market, then wages are not going to rise to counter costs of living.

...the only two problems with which are:

(a) It's wrong; and

(b) In this country, when people are posting their mindless partisan opinions about the American labor market, it's customary for them to spell it the way, for example....Hmm. Oh, I know! The way the Department of Labor does.

And if there were a Department of Rigor and a Department of Behavior, I'm sure the same would go double for each of them, too.

Sepka, do tell me: In real life, are you not actually the proudly exceptionalist American citizen you purport to be here?

Or are you just really, really pretentious?

[compared2what?]

FWIW, I have no strong feelings for or against Al Gore. However, even though it practically kills me to say this about a woman alleging sexual assault, her story decidedly does not sound entirely credible to me.

Especially when she's failing to explain why she didn't simply leave the suite as expeditiously as possible after, say, the third or fourth time he interrupted her as she was packing up her equipment by crushing her in an inescapable embrace (or otherwise throwing her into a state of terrified certainty that she was about to be raped violently). Per her own account, she was moving freely around the room at that point -- ie, after the massage. Which is when most of the alleged assailing occurred.

I mean, you never know. People often don't act sensibly when they're frightened.

But I'd say that if she's planning on going to trial in any venue, she's got kind of a high bar to clear, what with the not leaving; the not calling the police; the not even calling an attorney until several weeks after the incident; the not showing up for her first scheduled police interview; the cancellation of the second police interview; the general tone of resentment (rather than, say, fear or trauma) in which she did make her police statement when she finally got around to making one months after the fact; and so on.

She says she was afraid that if she left she would be attacked and tased by security, although it's not clear whether she means hotel security or his secret service detail, assuming that he has one.

But she also says that she'd had a lot of big-shot, powerful celebrity clients before. And if that's true -- which I have no reason to doubt -- she really ought to have known that the last thing anyone in a big-shot powerful celebrity's entourage would ever do would be to cause even more of a public scene of a highly tabloid-friendly nature than the one that they're trying to contain.

I don't know. I'd bet money that he did commit a bad act of some kind, because that much is clear from both his reaction and from that of the cops. That doesn't mean that her description of it sounds any less off than it does on some points, though.

I don't like to think that or to say it. But there you have it.

[Pele'sDaughter]

The ENQUIRER reports in an exclusive bombshell exclusive that police have investigated charges from TWO MORE WOMEN who claimed they were abused by former VP AL GORE!

The allegations come hot on the heels of an ongoing Portland, Ore., police investigation that reopened after The ENQUIRER exclusively revealed accusations by a licensed massage therapist who says Gore groped her in 2006.

The ENQUIRER recently uncovered shocking allegations, from two other massage therapists.

The first incident allegedly took place at a Beverly Hills luxury hotel when Gore, 62, was in Hollywood to attend the Oscars in 2007.

The second reportedly occurred a year later at a hotel in Tokyo.

A Beverly Hills hotel source told The ENQUIRER:

"The therapist claimed that when they were alone, Gore shrugged off a towel and stood naked in front of her.

"He pointed at his erect penis and ordered her, 'Take care of THIS.'"

For the FULL STORY with all the details - pick up the new ENQUIRER - on sale now!

http://tiny.cc/xyfw2

[Nordic]

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