Wili-Leaks is Israel, Like We all Didn't Know

[Montag]

Wili-Leaks is Israel, Like We all Didn't Know
by Gordon Duff

July 29, 2010
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/29 ... idnt-know/

excerpt:

Now “Wiki-Leaks” is busy selling phony bin Laden stories, having the long dead Osama humiliating the CIA by running around villages in Afghanistan selling vacuum cleaners. What is our “leak” site really about? This is a dead news cycle. The World Cup is over, lots of people on holiday and no major stories. Only in a dead news period like this, as Oliver Stone pointed out, could the Israeli controlled media dump a pile of lame rumors mixed in with box loads of chickenfeed, passing it off as the story of the century.

Even the cover story, the mysterious Assange fleeing the murderous CIA, working to save the world is lame. WikiLeaks is lame. Please, everyone, go to the site and read everything there. I have seen more confidential information on a weather report. Assange is hardly a James Bond figure. Woody Allen is masculine in comparison.

Journalists all get leaks, and frankly, we don’t print most of them. Some we can’t trust. Some are just too dangerous. Some are simply illegal. Some are blatantly self serving Israeli propaganda coated with a veneer of anti-Americanism. This is “Wiki-leaks” material. What is important is what they don’t print. The only things that come out about Israel, the country most vulnerable to leaks, the country always up to the most skulduggery, is an occasional harmless story like their major leak on East Jerusalem settlements. It hit the New York Times first.

When you read Mr. Assange’s output, you are looking at one of the Mossad games, nothing more. They send some stories to Fox News, some to CNN, some to the Washington Post or London Times. They have their pick as their friends and co-workers own those outlets and so many more. The game today is using Wikileaks, given its 15 minutes of fame for trashing the US in Iraq with the helicopter video, to spread imaginary stories about Pakistan, the only nuclear power in the Middle East capable of standing up to Israel and the enemy of India.

India is what it is all really about. Israel is playing India for a fall, drawing them into their games they way they did with the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan. India will wake up with their government bought off, blackmailed, up to their neck in wars and insurgencies at home and fighting Israel’s enemies abroad. India is the next real target for rape, destruction, destabilization by Israel and our “Wiki-leak” is part of that game.

Another chosen victim, of course, is the United States, hated enemy of Israel, not for public consumption, however. Check the names of those who looted the American economy. In the top dresser drawer of 80% of those who took the US into bankruptcy, you will find an Israeli passport.

Did anyone ask why nothing was reported in 90,000 pages regarding the massive drug dealing in Afghanistan? With stories in the press around the world reporting that President Karzai and his brother are the biggest druglords in the world, why would this not be mentioned? Is it because Karzai is a good friend of the Indo-Israeli alliance that runs Wiki-leaks?

Classified Army documents are filled to the brim with reports that the CIA and their private contractors are involved in drug operations with Karzai but also other names are named including many prominent Americans, some members of congress. I won’t leak their names but I know they are in the documents. If Wiki got what they say they got, then most of their documents would have reported corruption, drug dealing, governments of a dozen countries would have been mentioned.

[undead]

This piece is garbage. The "Israel controls the U.S." meme sucks. It's a way for American military personnel to reconcile themselves to their insane behavior without loosing faith in the goodness of American military institutions. Disgusting. And obvious, considering the source.

[Montag]

Well, I guess I'm interested in the question/idea of what Wikileaks isn't leaking (or hasn't leaked)... Tarpley and Alex Jones think a tactic of a CIA front is to leak good stuff right away to establish credibility (I'm not sure if they include these documents but they mentioned a few things Wiki had reported prior to this). The writer is probably assuming Assange is with (or a tool of) the Mossad, I would doubt he has any rock solid information to prove that -- he's probably having a knee jerk anti-Israel reaction there.

[undead]

Yeah, I think it's possible that it was an intentional leak on the Pentagon's part for whatever reason, but this article is trash and I don't see any reason to post it here.

[Elvis]

LAME “LEAK” SITE NOTHING MORE THAN THIN COVER FOR “THE TEL AVIV TANGO”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/29/gordon-duff-wiki-leaks-is-isreal-like-we-all-didnt-know/

And is Veterans Today nothing more than a thin cover for the John Birch Society?

[bardobailey]

Thanks undead for trying to make my life a little easier. Why don't you just email me your suggestions for material worth reading here, so I won't have to waste time and brainpower making those decisions for myself.

[wintler2]

Thanks undead for trying to make my life a little easier. Why don't you just email me your suggestions for material worth reading here, so I won't have to waste time and brainpower making those decisions for myself.

Hey! i'm the reactionary flamer around here! Regardless, the decisions you talk about are already being made by everyone who does post an article, duh!

Maybe what Undead was getting at was the worsening of the signal to noise ratio typified by the uncritical posting of pro-fascist op-ed fabrications like the above. The potential of RI is being smothered by a blizzard of insultingly unrigorous bullshit.

[Nordic]

FWIW I agree with Undead that it stinks.

[stefano]

Yeah the OP isn't very good, and that "like we all didn't know" suggests people who have their minds made up about Israel's hand in every conspiracy... But Chris Floyd's angle was interesting, below. FWIW I don't ascribe any kind of malice aforethought to Assange, but inevitably the jingoes will take anything at all from the leaks to help make their case.
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In fact, the overall effect of the multi-part coverage of the documents is to paint a portrait of plucky, put-upon Americans trying their darnedest to get the job done despite the dastardly dealings and gooberish bumblings of the ungrateful little brown wretches we are trying to save from themselves. The NYT is quite explicit in this spin:

[T]he documents sketch a war hamstrung by an Afghan government, police force and army of questionable loyalty and competence, and by a Pakistani military that appears at best uncooperative and at worst to work from the shadows as an unspoken ally of the very insurgent forces the American-led coalition is trying to defeat.

So you see, if our noble enterprise is failing, it’s because the Afghans are idiots, the Pakistanis are backstabbers ... and the Iranians are behind it all, training Taliban fighters, making their bombs and bankrolling the political opposition to America's appointed satrap, Hamid Karzai.

Ah, here we get down to it. Here's metal more attractive for our militarists. The treachery of Iran is a constant theme in the leakage -- both in the raw, unsifted, uncorroborated "humint" and in the diplomatic cables of puzzled occupiers who cannot fathom why there should be any opposition to their enlightened rule. It must the fault of those perfidious Persians!

One can only imagine the lipsmacking and handclapping now rampant among the Bomb Iran crowd as they pore over these unsubstantiated rumors and Potomac ass-coverings which are being doled out -- by the "liberal" media, no less! -- as the new, grim truth about Afghanistan. The Guardian helpfully compiles the incendiary material for them:

Iran is engaged in an extensive covert campaign to arm, finance, train and equip Taliban insurgents, Afghan warlords allied to al-Qaida and suicide bombers fighting to eject British and western forces from Afghanistan, according to classified US military intelligence reports contained in the war logs.

The secret "threat reports", mostly comprising raw data provided by Afghan spies and paid informants, cannot be corroborated individually. Even if the claims are accurate, it is unclear whether the activities they describe took place with the full knowledge of Tehran or are the work of hardline elements of the semi-autonomous Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, ideological sympathisers of the Taliban, arms smugglers or criminal gangs ....
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Ultimately, I suppose on balance it is better to have this material than not to have it. But I still question the usefulness of rolling out mountains of raw "human intelligence" -- precisely the same kind of unfiltered junk that was "stovepiped" to build the false case for the mass-murdering invasion of Iraq -- about Iran, al Qaeda, Pakistan; even North Korea gets into the mix. None of this can be checked -- but all of it will be extremely useful to those who want to build cases for more and more military action, death squads and covert actions around the world.

And it seems very odd that intelligence reports and bureaucratic memos by forces carrying out a prolonged, brutal military occupation of another country are now being treated by "liberal" media outlets as holy writ which paints a "true" picture of the war -- a picture that omits any reference to American war-related corruption, for instance, not only in Afghanistan but more especially in Washington, or to America's wider "Great Game" machinations in Central Asia, involving pipelines, strategic bases and "containing China," etc.

If I believed anything would come of this document dump, if I believed it would actually lead to, say, the prosecution of even one single person for a war-related crime, or to a genuine debate over the morality of the war in the political and media establishments, or even a 5 point rise in public opposition to the Terror War project, then I would rejoice, and embrace the flashy packages of the NYT, Guardian and Der Spiegel at their own self-inflated valuation.

But I honestly believe that the net effect will be simply to entrench the conventional wisdom about the war in the halls of power -- and in the echo chambers of opinion -- on both sides of the Atlantic. We have already seen far too many atrocities, brutalities and acts of criminal folly countenanced, when they are not actually praised, far too many times -- over and over and over again -- in the course of the last decade to believe that these disgorgings of junk intelligence and apparatchik memos will make any difference.

[Nordic]

I don't see what the Chris Floyd piece, which is right-on IMO, has to do with the OP at all.

I don't see any connection.

[wintler2]

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If I believed anything would come of this document dump, if I believed it would actually lead to, say, the prosecution of even one single person for a war-related crime, or to a genuine debate over the morality of the war in the political and media establishments, or even a 5 point rise in public opposition to the Terror War project, then I would rejoice, and embrace the flashy packages of the NYT, Guardian and Der Spiegel at their own self-inflated valuation.

But I honestly believe that the net effect will be simply to entrench the conventional wisdom about the war in the halls of power -- and in the echo chambers of opinion -- on both sides of the Atlantic. We have already seen far too many atrocities, brutalities and acts of criminal folly countenanced, when they are not actually praised, far too many times -- over and over and over again -- in the course of the last decade to believe that these disgorgings of junk intelligence and apparatchik memos will make any difference.

It is not wikileaks responsibility how the war logs disclosure affects our glorious leaders or us, both are well beyond their control, they can only work as if they "lived in the early days of a better world". Yes the MSM flagships NYT, Guardian, Der Spiegel seem to be playing this with dead bats (cricket analogy meaning to merely stop the ball) and theres plenty of reason to be cynical about that. But again, i can't see how that is wikileaks fault or responsibility; they've been doing the open-release thing for a few years, but its the repackaged & some-what researched disclosures (eg. Iraq gunship footage) that get the attention. After anonymity, rigor is the value-adding wikileaks knows it needs to offer, and that means staff it doesn't have. By giving 3 MSMs an early look wikileaks got the staff it needed, and by releasing full database it provides a reference point for MSM bias.

[barracuda]

It's just not possible that the take away from the 90,000 pages is really available yet. Spin only at this stage. Though I doubt presentations like this one from the other thread are gonna glorify the imperium much.

[stefano]

I don't see what the Chris Floyd piece, which is right-on IMO, has to do with the OP at all.

I just remembered it when I read the OP, and thought it could fit under the broad umbrella of cui bono. No real connection, I guess I could have put it in the other thread.

wintler's right, although I was quite surprised at the Guardian's cravenness. Not really at that of the NYT.

[undead]

Thanks undead for trying to make my life a little easier. Why don't you just email me your suggestions for material worth reading here, so I won't have to waste time and brainpower making those decisions for myself.

It doesn't take any significant amount of time or brainpower to notice that this article is not worth reading. Wikileaks iz Israel! It's just plain stupid. Why start a thread with the thoughts of an American military neanderthal who can't think critically on the subject? What would the point of such a thread be, other than an opportunity to make sarcastic and irrelevant comments at people who annoy you? You didn't disagree with me, so I must have offended you some how. Maybe you're U.S. military? Retired?

Isn't there another thread on this subject that doesn't start with a well-poisoning article?

[Joe Hillshoist]

This piece is garbage. The "Israel controls the U.S." meme sucks. It's a way for American military personnel to reconcile themselves to their insane behavior without loosing faith in the goodness of American military institutions. Disgusting. And obvious, considering the source.

Fuckin A.

That piece is just fucking pathetic.

For a start Israel is a disputed piece of land in the middle east and wikileaks is an internet organisation. They aren't the same thing.

There is one paragraph worth mentioning:

Classified Army documents are filled to the brim with reports that the CIA and their private contractors are involved in drug operations with Karzai but also other names are named including many prominent Americans, some members of congress. I won’t leak their names but I know they are in the documents. If Wiki got what they say they got, then most of their documents would have reported corruption, drug dealing, governments of a dozen countries would have been mentioned.

What the vast majority of all combat reports in Afghanistan mention CIA and NA corruption? Believe me in Australia there are already attempts to spin against this, but there is one report I can think of that shows corruption.

It directly effects the Australian army too so in this country it could be useful in generating anti war sentiment.

Anyway has this guy been through all the docs yet?

Or for that matter has he had access to all the classified reports.

He's just ranting on.

FFS If it looks like these leaks could be spun to jusitfy US invasions of Iran and Pakistan (with what army I might ask) then its up to every American who can see that process occurring to do everything they can to stop it. Get vocal and get organised.

Don't bitch about how its all too hard cos someone else rules the world.

According to the guy you all claim is a CIA plant there is enough evidence to at least prove "negligence on a massive scale".

JULIAN ASSANGE: There's negligence that's on a massive scale, I wouldn't say there's criminal activity or deliberate targeting of civilians by US forces on a massive scale, maybe just a few individual events. But we do see the sort of squalor of war coming out on a massive scale and the destruction of Afghan society.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/ ... 968342.htm

That should be enough on its own.

Accidental maybe. Who gives a fuck. Its passes the reasonableness test that anyone can accept the Iraq war was a joke and basically is the reason for the piss weak effort in Afghanistan.

Now we are propping up corrupt criminals while tearing the joint apart.

Here is the proof. (At least according to JA.)

So far this is, from what I've seen of it, a potentially good thing.

I also get the impression these aren't all the documents that could be available. If you can prove he's deliberately withholding stuff then really PLEASE DO.

Cos thats the sort of thing the world needs to know.

Seriously if you read something, and go "oh wow this agree's with my prejudice". And don't think about it beyond that, what's the difference between you and some fuck knuckle listening to Glen Beck.

Especially when its some idiot making ridiculous statements like:

"Classified Army documents are filled to the brim with reports that the CIA and their private contractors are involved in drug operations with Karzai but also other names are named including many prominent Americans, some members of congress. I won’t leak their names but I know they are in the documents. If Wiki got what they say they got, then most of their documents would have reported corruption, drug dealing, governments of a dozen countries would have been mentioned."

Put up or shut up arsehole.


Anyway accordin to the US military JA and wikileaks and their sources a have probably already got blood on their hands. Some innocent Afghani informer may have been killed already or something.