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Google and Verizon Near Deal on Web Pay Tiers

Postby Montag » Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:31 pm

Google and Verizon Near Deal on Web Pay Tiers
by Edward Wyatt

August 4, 2010
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/techn ... .html?_r=5

excerpt:
Google and Verizon, two leading players in Internet service and content, are nearing an agreement that could allow Verizon to speed some online content to Internet users more quickly if the content’s creators are willing to pay for the privilege.

The charges could be paid by companies, like YouTube, owned by Google, for example, to Verizon, one of the nation’s leading Internet service providers, to ensure that its content received priority as it made its way to consumers. The agreement could eventually lead to higher charges for Internet users.

Such an agreement could overthrow a once-sacred tenet of Internet policy known as net neutrality, in which no form of content is favored over another. In its place, consumers could soon see a new, tiered system, which, like cable television, imposes higher costs for premium levels of service.

Any agreement between Verizon and Google could also upend the efforts of the Federal Communications Commission to assert its authority over broadband service, which was severely restricted by a federal appeals court decision in April.

People close to the negotiations who were not authorized to speak publicly about them said an agreement could be reached as soon as next week. If completed, Google, whose Android operating system powers many Verizon wireless phones, would agree not to challenge Verizon’s ability to manage its broadband Internet network as it pleased.

Since the court decision, involving Comcast, in April, the F.C.C. has been trying to find a way to regulate broadband delivery, and that effort has been the subject of a series of private meetings at the agency’s headquarters in recent weeks. At the meetings, officials from the nation’s biggest Internet service and content providers, including Google and Verizon, have tried to reach a consensus on how broadband Internet service should be regulated in light of the decision. Those meetings continued this week, apart from the talks between Google and Verizon.

The prospect of a Google-Verizon agreement infuriates many consumer advocates, who feel that it would concentrate in a few corporations control of what to date has been a free and open Internet system in which consumers decide which companies are successful.

“The point of a network neutrality rule is to prevent big companies from dividing the Internet between them,” said Gigi B. Sohn, president and a founder of Public Knowledge, a consumer advocacy group. “The fate of the Internet is too large a matter to be decided by negotiations involving two companies, even companies as big as Verizon and Google.”

It is not clear that the Google-Verizon talks will result in a deal, or that any agreement would extend beyond those companies. David M. Fish, a spokesman for Verizon, acknowledged the talks, saying, “We’ve been working with Google for 10 months to reach an agreement on broadband policy.”

But, Mr. Fish added, “We are currently engaged in and committed to the negotiation process led by the F.C.C. We are optimistic this process will reach a consensus that can maintain an open Internet, and the investment and innovation required to sustain it.”
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Re: Google and Verizon Near Deal on Web Pay Tiers

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:19 pm

Google will definitely deny this -- I wonder if they'll be telling the truth, though.

The negotiations might be about something less grandiose, and who knows where Mr. Fish will be at this Friday.

It will be interesting to watch this unfold.
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Re: Google and Verizon Near Deal on Web Pay Tiers

Postby hanshan » Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:46 pm

Montag wrote:Google and Verizon Near Deal on Web Pay Tiers
by Edward Wyatt

August 4, 2010
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/techn ... .html?_r=5

excerpt:
Google and Verizon, two leading players in Internet service and content, are nearing an agreement that could allow Verizon to speed some online content to Internet users more quickly if the content’s creators are willing to pay for the privilege.

The charges could be paid by companies, like YouTube, owned by Google, for example, to Verizon, one of the nation’s leading Internet service providers, to ensure that its content received priority as it made its way to consumers. The agreement could eventually lead to higher charges for Internet users.

Such an agreement could overthrow a once-sacred tenet of Internet policy known as net neutrality, in which no form of content is favored over another. In its place, consumers could soon see a new, tiered system, which, like cable television, imposes higher costs for premium levels of service.

Any agreement between Verizon and Google could also upend the efforts of the Federal Communications Commission to assert its authority over broadband service, which was severely restricted by a federal appeals court decision in April.

People close to the negotiations who were not authorized to speak publicly about them said an agreement could be reached as soon as next week. If completed, Google, whose Android operating system powers many Verizon wireless phones, would agree not to challenge Verizon’s ability to manage its broadband Internet network as it pleased.

Since the court decision, involving Comcast, in April, the F.C.C. has been trying to find a way to regulate broadband delivery, and that effort has been the subject of a series of private meetings at the agency’s headquarters in recent weeks. At the meetings, officials from the nation’s biggest Internet service and content providers, including Google and Verizon, have tried to reach a consensus on how broadband Internet service should be regulated in light of the decision. Those meetings continued this week, apart from the talks between Google and Verizon.

The prospect of a Google-Verizon agreement infuriates many consumer advocates, who feel that it would concentrate in a few corporations control of what to date has been a free and open Internet system in which consumers decide which companies are successful.

“The point of a network neutrality rule is to prevent big companies from dividing the Internet between them,” said Gigi B. Sohn, president and a founder of Public Knowledge, a consumer advocacy group. “The fate of the Internet is too large a matter to be decided by negotiations involving two companies, even companies as big as Verizon and Google.”

It is not clear that the Google-Verizon talks will result in a deal, or that any agreement would extend beyond those companies. David M. Fish, a spokesman for Verizon, acknowledged the talks, saying, “We’ve been working with Google for 10 months to reach an agreement on broadband policy.”

But, Mr. Fish added, “We are currently engaged in and committed to the negotiation process led by the F.C.C. We are optimistic this process will reach a consensus that can maintain an open Internet, and the investment and innovation required to sustain it.”


It's most unfortunate but the future of internet service appears inevitably to be to follow
the tiered system of cable/satellite. Infuriating is not the word; this is beyond disgusting.
For those not familiar w/ the case cited:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-06/comcast-wins-in-case-on-fcc-net-neutrality-powers-update6-.html

By William McQuillen and Todd Shields

April 6 (Bloomberg) -- Federal regulators lacked authority to censure Comcast Corp. for interfering with subscribers’ Internet traffic, a U.S. court said in a decision that could limit the government’s power to police companies’ Web behavior


Congress, if it so chose, could duly empower the FCC w/ the stroke of a pen;
too busy getting stroked, however.


Wombaticus Rex wrote:Google will definitely deny this -- I wonder if they'll be telling the truth, though.

The negotiations might be about something less grandiose, and who knows where Mr. Fish will be at this Friday.

It will be interesting to watch this unfold.


Interesting, indeed.

&, they're all liars, esp. when big money is on the table

Mr. Fish? You've got to be kidding:

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Re: Google and Verizon Near Deal on Web Pay Tiers

Postby justdrew » Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:51 pm

Google Pushes Back On Times' Report Of Verizon Deal

Google is disputing a New York Times report that the company is close to a private deal with Verizon in which Google could pay Verizon to ensure that its content received priority in reaching web users.

The potential deal between Google and Verizon has been widely reported, but the companies are taking exception to what they see as the Times' depiction of it as a financial agreement.

"The New York Times is quite simply wrong," Google spokesperson Mistique Cano told TPM in an email. "We have not had any conversations with Verizon about paying for carriage of Google or YouTube traffic."

"We remain as committed as we always have been to an open Internet," she said.

Google Public Policy's twitter feed had tweeted a similar statement earlier in the day. "@NYTimes is wrong. We've not had any convos with VZN about paying for carriage of our traffic. We remain committed to an open internet."

Verizon released a statement along the same lines on it's Policy Blog:

The NYT article regarding conversations between Google and Verizon is mistaken. It fundamentally misunderstands our purpose. As we said in our earlier FCC filing, our goal is an Internet policy framework that ensures openness and accountability, and incorporates specific FCC authority, while maintaining investment and innovation. To suggest this is a business arrangement between our companies is entirely incorrect.

The Times is standing by its story, according to Wired:

"We stand by our reporting which is based on information from sources in a position to know about the conversations," said Times spokeswoman Diane McNulty. "Google's comment about The New York Times story refutes something The Times story didn't say."

Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal reports that the FCC has called off closed-door talks on Net Neutrality with industry lobbyists.

FCC Chief of Staff Edward Lazarus, in a statement, said the effort "has been productive on several fronts, but has not generated a robust framework to preserve the openness and freedom of the Internet." He added, "all options remain on the table as we continue to seek broad input on this vital issue."

An agreement between Google and Verizon as reported by the Times would deal a blow to Net Neutrality advocates, who maintain that no content should be favored over any other on the web. An April court decision undercut the FCC's ability to enforce any such neutrality, and the agency has since been looking at other ways of establishing regulations for the Internet.
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Re: Google and Verizon Near Deal on Web Pay Tiers

Postby 82_28 » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:10 pm

So can I google the latest news on this as developments arise?
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Re: Google and Verizon Near Deal on Web Pay Tiers

Postby justdrew » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:48 pm

82_28 wrote:So can I google the latest news on this as developments arise?


unless you'd rather "bing" it

eventually a swarm based search engine will come available, based on hundreds of thousands of people willingly donating bandwidth and cpu time to crawl the web, someone's working on it now but I don't recall the name.
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Re: Google and Verizon Near Deal on Web Pay Tiers

Postby Montag » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:52 pm

82_28 wrote:So can I google the latest news on this as developments arise?


Yeah, but it will be like reading Pravda in the Soviet Union... Or the MSM, currently, in the U.S. Lol.
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Re: Google and Verizon Near Deal on Web Pay Tiers

Postby hanshan » Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:48 pm

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The Times is standing by its story, according to Wired:

"We stand by our reporting which is based on information from sources in a position to know about the conversations," said Times spokeswoman Diane McNulty. "Google's comment about The New York Times story refutes something The Times story didn't say."

Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal reports that the FCC has called off closed-door talks on Net Neutrality with industry lobbyists.

FCC Chief of Staff Edward Lazarus, in a statement, said the effort "has been productive on several fronts, but has not generated a robust framework to preserve the openness and freedom of the Internet." He added, "all options remain on the table as we continue to seek broad input on this vital issue."

An agreement between Google and Verizon as reported by the Times would deal a blow to Net Neutrality advocates, who maintain that no content should be favored over any other on the web. An April court decision undercut the FCC's ability to enforce any such neutrality, and the agency has since been looking at other ways of establishing regulations for the Internet.


So- who's the dissembler? NYT? or Google? or both?

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Solution? Congress mandates open net. End of story.
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82_28 wrote:So can I google the latest news on this as developments arise?


unless you'd rather "bing" it

eventually a swarm based search engine will come available, based on hundreds of thousands of people willingly donating bandwidth and cpu time to crawl the web, someone's working on it now but I don't recall the name.


This is an intriguing concept & will be interesting to see how it plays out.


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