'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby justdrew » Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:26 pm

an important PDF...
http://www.gomr.mms.gov/PI/PDFImages/PLANS/29/29977.pdf

http://www.google.com/search?q=macondo+252+map+%22well+a%22+%22well+b%22&aq=f

these videos seem to gather up details of this mystery...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nddz3vb30aU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUmw00oGpIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEbI0H4m_pQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dRUlaxDs_0

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His Research backed with the public documents BP filed when it planned to drill 2 wells 315 meters from each other in MC252. Testimony says they abandoned the 1st well. Guess where the rovers and cameras are? On the exact coordinates of the 1st well. No rovers or cameras are on the 2nd well a few hundred feet away. That would make Matt Simmon's analysis, where he was saying that could not have put all the oil in the gulf. Something is very fishy will all this. The spill covered almost the size of Maryland. The surface water churns up with corexit mixed in and it's all gone.

WELL A (this well was abandoned according to testimony)
MC252_A START DATE = 4/15/2009 END DATE=7/24/2009 No. of Days=100
X=1,202,803.88'
Y=10,431,617.00'
Lat= 28 deg 44' 17.277" N
Lon= 88 deg 21' 57.340" W

WELL B (this is the well that blew up)
MC252_B START DATE = 4/15/2010 END DATE=7/24/2010 No. of Days=100
X=1,202,514.00'
Y=10,431,494.00'
Lat= 28 deg 44' 16.027" N
Lon= 88 deg 22' 00.581" W

See this They did cap Well A.

Want to clear this up BP? Put the cameras on the Well B location 315 meters away, then we know.


and then there's this site as well:
http://oilspilltruth.wordpress.com
especially see this article: Why is BP’s Macondo blowout so disastrous & Beyond Patch-up
There have been “unconfirmed” reports that Macondo Well A which was first drilled by TransOcean Marianas and aborted on 9th Nov 2009 after reaching a depth of 4023 feet (1226 m) below seabed, was re-entered by TransOcean Deepwater Horizon on 13 or 15 Feb 2010. Thus the present blown out well is Macondo B. There were also unconfirmed reports that Macondo B was so badly blown, that the well which is been shown to the worldwide audience is the first Macondo A well which blew earlier in early March (??), before the 20 April blowout. While such “unconfirmed” information would fit in quite nicely with the geological model, it does not affect its validity even if they are not true.

On 13 Feb BP told MMS they were trying to seal cracks in the well. It took 10 days to plug the first cracks. In early March , BP told MMS they were having trouble maintaining control of surging natural gas (according to emails).

A March 10 e-mail to Frank Patton, the U.S. Minerals Management Service’s drilling engineer for the New Orleans district, from BP executive Scherie Douglas said BP planned to sever the pipe connecting the well to the rig and plug the hole. “We are in the midst of a well control situation on MC 252 #001 and have stuck pipe,” Douglas wrote, referring to the subsea block, Mississippi Canyon 252, of the stricken well. “We are bringing out equipment to begin operations to sever the drillpipe, plugback the well and bypass.” Bloomberg News (31 May 2010).

According to Bloomberg news, Douglas or BP received verbal approval at 11pm on 11 March to insert the cement plug about 750feet (229m) above the bottom of the hole. The Federal regulators gave BP permission to cement the well at a shallower depth than normally would have been required after the hole caved in on drilling equipment.

these pictures are also available from here
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and on the subject of bp share sales by executives...
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/07/15/4683478-a-pattern-of-massive-shares-sell-off-by-bp-directors-prior-to-expected-disasters

interesting... amazed I don't remember ever hearing of this:


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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby justdrew » Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:46 pm

'bottom kill' delayed...

and tacked on at the end of that story...
BP has received reports about people posing as BP employees going door-to-door, trying to get personal information and charge fees for safety training, the company said in a statement yesterday, advising Gulf Coast residents to avoid such scams.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Nordic » Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:51 pm

One of the many things that really piss me off about this (and they are legion, because, after all, I'm an "angry person"), is that all evidence seems to indicate that BP knew damn good and well that this was a disaster in the making way back in February. In March, I believe, Tiny Tony sold a hell of a lot of his BP stock. Enough to pay off one of his mansions and then some. In April the thing blew.

That's insider trading, and he should be in jail for that.

The media is oddly silent on this. Okay, maybe not so oddly, but it seems somebody, somewhere, would put 2 and 2 together and get on this.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby justdrew » Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:15 pm

Nordic wrote:One of the many things that really piss me off about this (and they are legion, because, after all, I'm an "angry person"), is that all evidence seems to indicate that BP knew damn good and well that this was a disaster in the making way back in February. In March, I believe, Tiny Tony sold a hell of a lot of his BP stock. Enough to pay off one of his mansions and then some. In April the thing blew.

That's insider trading, and he should be in jail for that.

The media is oddly silent on this. Okay, maybe not so oddly, but it seems somebody, somewhere, would put 2 and 2 together and get on this.


and that may be why there were no emails found showing the executives knew anything about the troubles at the 252 operations, they had already been scrubbed before 4/20.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 82_28 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:40 pm

But it is we who will eventually go to jail for even holding an opinion. That's the magic and glory of it all.

Keep your eye on the pea peeps. People who intuit shit aren't fucking long for this world unless Jesus decides to come back. When Jesus comes back it will not be an anti-abortion, pro and yet anti war message he brings. It will be something far more serious. The fucking fascists know we are in their midst and they in ours. It will be in High Definition.

I literally am waiting for the word from Jesus.

There are a lot of military types who don't buy jack shit about any of this. Everybody it seems has given up on America.

Which is and was probably the plan all along. Hollow this place out and then move along to the next conquest, which will be WW3.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby justdrew » Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:11 pm

aww, don't worry 8)
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:58 am

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Nordic » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:42 am

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/busin ... F720100802

Singapore ex-BP employees seek to set aside search order

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Six former BP employees sued by the oil major for breach of contract in Singapore have applied to the court to set aside a search order that had allowed BP's lawyers to seize their personal computers, mobile phones and thumb drives, court documents showed.

Documents filed with the Singapore High Court by the defence last Thursday alleged that the orders against them were oppressive and had been for "unlawful or illegitimate reasons."

The filings highlight the manner of the execution of the seizure by BP, in particular, the seizure of mobile phones and laptops used by the six former employees' spouses and children, the search of the handbag of the wife of one of them and the search of one former employees' son's school book folder.

BP had obtained and executed the search orders against the six at their homes to search for and preserve evidence before it could be destroyed, the documents said.


In their application for the order to be set aside, the defendants also alleged that BP had failed to disclose material facts to the court when the search orders were obtained and that there was no evidence put forward by BP at the hearing of the risk that the six would destroy evidence.

A separate closed-door hearing will take place to establish if the court should set aside the order at a date yet to be fixed. The six can seek damages if the court agrees with them to set it aside.

BP has accused the six -- ex-head of global fuel oil trading, Quek Chin Thean, the Asia head of its marine fuels business, Clarence Chang, trading manager John Foo, head of operations for all oil products in Asia, Paul John Bradshaw, legal manager Simon Cheong and administrative executive Laura Kuan -- of breaching their fiduciary duties, employment contracts, including their fidelity duties, as well as misusing confidential information.

In the suit, BP said Quek and Cheong engineered the mass departures of the 20 staff and conducted negotiations with Hong Kong-listed Brightoil, which it described as a direct competitor, about moving over and setting up a competing business from January this year, while employed by the oil major.

The company said it conducted an investigation, using forensic analysis of electronic equipment, and uncovered evidence of e-mail correspondence between the six as well as with Brightoil chairman Raymond Sit.

The correspondence allegedly showed that they coordinated the mass resignations, discussed terms for salary, share schemes and the buyout bonuses as well as diverting business away from BP, court documents showed.

The six vigorously deny the allegations made against them and will be filing substantive defences in or around mid-August.

The six assert that their resignation was not unusual in light of the fact that since the start of the year, the department in which they were working in BP had seen 40-50 resignations.

They maintained in their court filings that each had their own reasons for wanting to leave BP and had never acted against BP's interests while employed by the oil major.


BP is more powerful than governments, even the United States.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:48 am

Plumes of Gulf oil spreading east on sea floor
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 17, 2010

(CNN) -- A new report set to be released Tuesday renews concerns about the long-term environmental impact of the Gulf Coast oil disaster, and efforts to permanently plug the ruptured BP oil well have been delayed again.

Researchers at the University of South Florida have concluded that oil from the Deepwater Horizon spill may have settled to the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico further east than previously suspected -- and at levels toxic to marine life.

Initial findings from a new survey of the Gulf conclude that dispersants may have sent droplets of crude to the ocean floor, where it has turned up at the bottom of an undersea canyon within 40 miles of the Florida Panhandle. The results are scheduled to be released Tuesday, but CNN obtained a summary of the initial conclusions Monday night.

Plankton and other organisms at the base of the food chain showed a "strong toxic response" to the crude, and the oil could well up onto the continental shelf and resurface later, according to researchers.

"The dispersant is moving the oil down out of the surface and into the deeper waters, where it can affect phytoplankton and other marine life," said John Paul, a marine microbiologist at USF.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 82_28 » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:53 am

Yo, I posted that on the IQ thread and was gonna crosspost here. Beat me to it, Jeff. For the record though, I WAS FIRST to find this rare, unfindable, exclusive, subscription only article!

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:05 pm

To pick-up in Jeff's last posting...

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Scientists: Toxic organisms, oil found on Gulf floor

John Paul says, at first, he couldn't believe his own scientific data showing toxic microscopic marine organisms in the Gulf of Mexico. He repeated the field test. A colleague did his own test. All the results came back the same: toxic.

It was the first time Paul and other University of South Florida scientists had made such a finding since they started investigating the environmental damage from the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill. The preliminary results, the scientists believe, show that oil that has settled on the floor is contaminating small sea organisms.

Paul is a marine microbiologist with the University of South Florida. He and 13 other researchers were in the middle of a 10-day research mission that began August 6 in the Gulf of Mexico when they made the toxic discovery.

The researchers battled 12-foot waves and storms but returned to St. Petersburg, Florida Monday night.

We were there as the team pulled its research materials into the lab and got the first report back of their initial findings.

The researchers found micro-droplets of oil scattered across the ocean floor and they also found those droplets moving up through a part of the Gulf called the DeSoto Canyon, a channel which funnels water and nutrients into the popular commercial and recreational waters along the Florida Gulf Coast.
The scientists say even though it's getting harder to see the oil the Gulf is still not safe.

"This whole concept of submerged oil and the application of dispersants in the subsurface and what are the impacts that it could have, have changed the paradigm of what an oil spill is from a 2-dimensional surface disaster to a 3-dimensional catastrophe," said David Hollander, a chemical oceanographer and one of the lead scientists on the recent USF mission.

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Calls for better seafood testing as Gulf fishing begins anew
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 17, 2010 3:33 p.m. EDT

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(CNN) -- A day after fall shrimping season began in the Gulf of Mexico and the state of Alabama reopened coastal waters to fishing, a major environmental watchdog group called for more stringent testing of seafood.

The National Resources Defense Council released a statement Tuesday saying it sent letters to the Food and Drug Administration and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, co-signed by almost two dozen Gulf coast groups, asking the government agencies to:

-- ensure that there is comprehensive monitoring of seafood contamination.

-- ensure public disclosure of all seafood monitoring data and methods.

-- ensure that fishery re-opening criteria protect the most vulnerable populations, including children, pregnant women and subsistence fishing communities.

"With the opening of shrimping season and near-daily reopening of fishing areas, seafood safety is a major issue right now," Dr. Gina Solomon, a senior scientist with the National Resources Defense Council, said in the statement. "The government needs to show it is putting strong safety criteria and testing standards in place to ensure that the seafood from the Gulf will be safe to eat in the months and years to come."

Government officials including Vice President Joe Biden and Steve Murawski, NOAA's chief scientist for fisheries, have said in recent weeks that waters closed to fishermen after the worst oil spill in U.S. history would be reopened when officials could guarantee that seafood would pass tests for safety and edibility.

The Deepwater Horizon disaster has hampered the seafood business across the Gulf as federal and state authorities put much of its waters off-limits amid safety concerns. With the once-gushing well capped on a temporary basis for more than a month now, NOAA and the Gulf states have begun lifting those restrictions -- but Louisiana shrimpers such as Anthony Bourgeoif say more needs to be done, and soon.

"It's open down over here with small shrimp, where it should be open over there where the big shrimp are," Bourgeoif said. "Can't make no money with no little shrimp, man."

Bourgeoif said he planned to go out, because "I ain't made nothing since the BP spill." But he was concerned that inspectors might find signs of oil in his catch and make him dump it.

"So why go out there and catch it if they're just going to be dumped, and I ain't going to make no money off it?" he asked. "I've got to make money. I've got four grandkids I'm raising."

Deborah Long, a spokeswoman for the Southern Shrimp Alliance, said it will probably take days to assess what impact the spill has had on the Gulf catch. And while some shrimpers are eager to get back out, many are still working for the well's owner, BP, which has hired many boats to skim oil off the surface and lay protective booms along the shorelines.

Two reports published Tuesday express concern about the lingering effects of oil spilled from the ruptured BP well into the Gulf of Mexico.

A team from Georgia Sea Grant and the University of Georgia released a report that estimates that 70 to 79 percent of the oil that gushed from the well "has not been recovered and remains a threat to the ecosystem," the university said in a release.

Meanwhile, researchers at the University of South Florida have concluded that oil from the Deepwater Horizon spill may have settled to the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico farther east than previously suspected -- and at levels toxic to marine life. Their study is to be released Tuesday, as well, but CNN obtained a summary of the initial conclusions Monday night.

Initial findings from a new survey of the Gulf conclude that dispersants may have sent droplets of crude to the ocean floor, where it has turned up at the bottom of an undersea canyon within 40 miles of the Florida Panhandle, the University of South Florida team said.

Plankton and other organisms at the base of the food chain showed a "strong toxic response" to the crude, and the oil could resurface later, according to researchers.

"The dispersant is moving the oil down out of the surface and into the deeper waters, where it can affect phytoplankton and other marine life," said John Paul, a marine microbiologist at the University of South Florida.

The University of Georgia study "strongly contradicts" a 2-week-old government report saying that only 26 percent of the oil spilled from the well remains in the Gulf.

"That is just absolutely incorrect in the opinion of the scientists," Charles Hopkinson, the director of Georgia Sea Grant and a professor of marine sciences at the University of Georgia, said Tuesday.

The government said 4.9 million barrels -- 205.8 million gallons -- of oil leaked into the Gulf, and 74 percent of that oil had been collected or dispersed or had evaporated. Of the remaining 26 percent, "much of that is in the process of being degraded and cleaned up on the shore," NOAA head Jane Lubchenco said August 4.

But the Georgia study said the government's numbers were skewed for several reasons.

First, because 800,000 barrels of oil were collected from the well before it could spill into the Gulf, the Georgia researchers said a total of 4.1 million barrels spilled into the water. But other factors mean more of that oil remains in the water, they said.

In addition, the Georgia researchers used a fundamentally different definition of when oil is "gone" from the water.

"One major misconception is that oil that has dissolved into water is gone and, therefore, harmless," Hopkinson said. "The oil is still out there, and it will likely take years to completely degrade."

And that oil is a lot harder to see than the huge clumps that dotted the Gulf's face like black and brown acne weeks ago. Samantha Joye, another professor of marine sciences at the University of Georgia, said that naturally dispersed oil was forming plumes in the water -- but "not black, not brown, turbid sea water. You don't need a river of oil. It's oil that's dissolved in water."

Joye stressed that the government also had completely omitted a crucial component of the environmental pollution from its statistics.

She said NOAA did not measure a third of the hydrocarbons because it did not measure gas emission, which she says are "mostly still in water floating somewhere out there. ... Methane and other gases aren't being documented."

The spill began after an April 20 explosion on the offshore drilling platform Deepwater Horizon that killed 11 men. Two days later, the platform sank and started gushing oil into the Gulf before it was temporarily capped July 15.

Thad Allen, the federal government's point man for the disaster, said Monday that attempts to permanently seal the well won't start until the latest potential problem is evaluated. Allen said engineers are now concerned about how to manage the risk of pressure in the annulus, a ring that surrounds the casing pipe at the center of the well shaft.

The "timelines won't be known until we get a recommendation on the course of action," Allen said.

Scientists began new pressure tests last week to gauge the effects of the mud and cement poured into the well from above during the "static kill" procedure that started August 3. From those pressure readings, they believe that either some of the cement breached the casing pipe and leaked into the annulus, or cement came up into the annulus from the bottom.

The scientists believe that process may have trapped some oil between the cement and the top of the well, inside the annulus. Now, given that new variable, they're trying to figure out how to safely maintain the pressure within the well before launching the "bottom kill," a procedure aimed at sealing the well from below.

Allen said that when it comes to giving a green light to the bottom kill of the well through the nearby relief well, "nobody wants to make that declaration any more than I do." But the process "will not start until we figure out how to manage the risk of pressure in the annulus."

"We're using an overabundance of caution," he said.

Allen said crews could remove the capping stack that sealed the oil in the well July 15and then replace the well's blowout preventer with one stored on the nearby Development Driller II in the Gulf. He said a new blowout preventer would be "rated at much higher pressure levels than the annulus."

The other option would require BP to devise a pressure-relief device for the current capping stack.

Once crews get their marching orders, it will take them about 96 hours to prepare, drill the final 50 feet of a relief well and intercept the main well. Then, the bottom kill process of plugging the well from below would begin.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Postby Gouda » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:22 am

More confirmation, DeSoto Canyon, and areas where Obama or his daughters are unlikely to swim.

Researchers warn that the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is a bigger mess than the government claims

By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer – Tue Aug 17, 9:30 pm ET

WASHINGTON – Researchers are warning that the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is a bigger mess than the government claims and that a lot of crude is lurking deep below the surface, some of it settling perhaps in a critical undersea canyon off the Florida Panhandle.

The evidence of microscopic amounts of oil mixing into the soil of the canyon was gathered by scientists at the University of South Florida, who also found poisoned plant plankton — the vital base of the ocean food web — which they blamed on a toxic brew of oil and dispersants.

Their work is preliminary, hasn't been reviewed by other scientists, requires more tests to confirm it is BP's oil they found, and is based on a 10-day research cruise that ended late Monday night. Scientists who were not involved said they were uncomfortable drawing conclusions based on such a brief look.

But those early findings follow a report on Monday from Georgia researchers that said as much as 80 percent of the oil from the spill remains in the Gulf. Both groups' findings have already been incorporated into lawsuits filed against BP.

Both groups paint a darker scenario than that of federal officials, who two weeks ago announced that most of the oil had dissolved, dispersed or been removed, leaving just a bit more than a quarter of the amount that spewed from the well that exploded in April.

At the White House on Aug. 4, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration chief Jane Lubchenco said: "At least 50 percent of the oil that was released is now completely gone from the system, and most of the remainder is degrading rapidly or is being removed from the beaches."

That's not what the scientists from South Florida and Georgia found.

"The oil is not gone, that's for sure," University of South Florida's David Hollander said Tuesday. "There is oil and we need to deal with it."

University of Georgia's Samantha Joye said: "It's a tremendous amount of oil that's in the system. ... It's very difficult for me to imagine that 50 percent of it has been degraded."

Marine scientist Chuck Hopkinson, also with the University of Georgia, raised the obvious question: "Where has all the oil gone? It hasn't gone anywhere. It still lurks in the deep."

NOAA spokesman Justin Kenney defended his agency's calculations, saying they are "based on direct measurements whenever possible and the best available scientific estimates where direct measurements were not possible." But the vast majority of it is based on "educated scientific guesses," because unless the oil was being burned or skimmed, measurements weren't possible, NOAA response scientist Bill Lehr said earlier this month.

What is happening in the Gulf is the outcome of a decision made early on in the fighting of the spill: to use dispersants to keep the surface and beaches as clean as possible, at the expense of keeping oil stuck below the surface, said Monty Graham, a researcher at the Dauphin Island Sea Lab in Alabama who was not part of the latest work. Oil degrades far more slowly in cooler, deeper waters than it would at the surface.

At the surface and the top 100 feet or so, it is obvious why oil is harmful, fouling marshes and hampering sea turtles, fish, birds and other life. Deep down, the effects are subtler, less direct. Oil at that depth can chip away at the base of the food web — plant plankton — and that could cause animals to go hungry. Reduced oxygen levels from natural gas and oil could also starve creatures of oxygen.

At depths of 900 to 3,300 feet, the University of South Florida researchers found problems with plant plankton. About two-fifths of the samples showed "some degree of toxicity."

"We found general phytoplankton health to be poor," Hollander said. By comparison, in non-oiled southern parts of the Gulf, the plant plankton were healthy, researchers said.

That makes sense because past research has shown that when oil when gets into the cell membranes of plankton, it causes all sorts of problems, said Paul Falkowski, a marine scientist at Rutgers University who was not part of the research. However, he said plant plankton don't live long anyway. They have about a week's lifespan, he said, and in a few months this insult to the base of the food web could be history.

Still, the brew that is poisoning the plankton may linger and no one knows for how long, Hollander said.

The Florida researchers used ultraviolet light to illuminate micro-droplets of oil deep underwater. When they did that, "it looked like a constellation of stars," Hollander said.

He also found the oil deposited in the sea bottom near the edges of the significant DeSoto Canyon, about 40 miles southwest of Panama City, Fla., suggesting oil may have settled into that canyon. The canyon is an important mixing area for cold, nutrient-laden water and warmer surface water. It is also key for currents and an important fisheries area.

"Clearly the oil down in the abyss, there's nothing we can do about it," said Ed Overton of Louisiana State University. He said the environment at the surface or down to 100 feet or so is "rapidly going back to normal," with shrimpers starting their harvest. But oil below 1,000 feet degrades much more slowly, he said.

Joye has measured how fast natural gas, which also spewed from the BP well, can degrade in water, and it may take as much as 500 days for large pools to disappear at 3,000 feet below the sea. That natural gas starves oxygen from the water, she said.

"You're talking about a best-case situation of a year's turnover time," Joye said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill


Scientists Say as Much as 79% of Oil Remains in Gulf of Mexico

By Kim Chipman - Aug 18, 2010

A group of scientists says as much as 79 percent of BP Plc’s leaked oil remains in the Gulf of Mexico, challenging an Obama administration assessment that the crude is largely gone or rapidly disappearing.

Most of the oil that leaked from BP’s Macondo well from April 20 to July 15 is still beneath the water’s surface, five scientists including Samantha Joye, a professor of marine sciences at the University of Georgia in Athens, concluded in a memo made public yesterday. The researchers say they drew upon the U.S. government’s study while reaching different conclusions.

The Obama administration’s Aug. 4 report indicated that almost three-fourths of the crude that leaked has disappeared or soon will be eaten by bacteria. Jane Lubchenco, administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, has said at least half of the oil released is now “completely gone.”

Chemist Dana Wetzel said the administration’s conclusion felt like the “closing credits of a movie.”

“It’s like they were saying ‘the end,’” Wetzel, program manager at Mote Marine Laboratory in Sarasota, Florida, said in an interview last week. “I’d say we have just gotten through setting up the plot.”

The government and independent scientists involved in the administration’s report “have been clear that oil and its remnants left in the water represent a potential threat, which is why we continue to rigorously monitor, test and access short- and long-term ramifications,” Justin Kenney, a NOAA spokesman, said today in a statement. He also challenged the calculations used by the administration critics.

Oil Still There

Charles Hopkinson, a University of Georgia marine scientist and one of the five researchers, said plumes of oil dispersed underwater remain a danger.

“One major misconception is that oil that has dissolved into water is gone and, therefore, harmless,” he said in a statement released yesterday. “The oil is still out there, and it will likely take years to completely degrade. We are still far from a complete understanding of what its impacts are.”

Other scientists agree with the government that the oil has largely dissipated.

“I don’t think it’s still lurking out there,” Edward Overton, an environmental chemist and professor emeritus at Louisiana State University, said in an interview last week.

‘Incredible’ Resiliency

“The Gulf is incredible in its resiliency and ability to clean itself up,” said Overton, who served as a technical reviewer for the administration’s report. “I think we are going to be flabbergasted by the little amount of damage that has been caused by this spill.” :D

The leak began after the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig leased by London-based BP exploded off the coast of Louisiana, killing 11 workers and oiling as much as 650 miles of coastline.

The scientists who said that as much as 79 percent of the oil is still in the Gulf of Mexico said their estimates don’t include oil known to have washed into coastal wetlands because such crude is too difficult to measure, according to the memo, dated Aug. 11 and written by Hopkinson.

The scientists also said they reached their estimates by assuming about 4.1 million barrels of oil spewed into the Gulf of Mexico, 800,000 barrels fewer than reported by the government, because the researchers didn’t include oil that was piped directly from the well to surface ships.

“The report neglects the oil contained directly from the wellhead, which shifts the baseline numbers so that direct comparison” can’t be made with the administration’s calculations, Kenney of NOAA said in the statement.

Obama’s Florida Visit

President Barack Obama and administration officials have emphasized positive news about the Gulf region since the flow of oil from the biggest U.S. spill was halted.

Obama and his family traveled to Florida’s Gulf coast on Aug. 14 in a bid to provide the region with an economic boost. The president, who took a swim with daughter Sasha, said beaches along the coast are clean and open for business and the seafood is safe. Obama also said he won’t be satisfied until the environment along the Gulf has been restored.

“Mother Nature did some nice work for us in terms of evaporation and dissolution of the oil in the water,” Carol Browner, Obama’s top environmental adviser, said earlier this month.

Florida Scientists

Scientists from the University of South Florida in St. Petersburg said in a separate study that they have seen evidence oil observed underwater has become poisonous to marine life.

The oil was found in the “critical” DeSoto Canyon that supports spawning grounds for commercially important fish species on the West Florida Shelf, according to an e-mailed statement from the school today.

Robert Weisberg, a scientist at the university, said today that it’s not yet known how the oil remaining in the Gulf of Mexico may affect the ecosystem.

“There is subsurface oil,” he said in an interview. “I don’t care what anyone says. But the truth is we really don’t know yet about the concentration levels.”
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