at what age did you discover there was a global conspiracy..

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at what age did you discover there was a global conspiracy..

Postby hmm » Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:49 pm

I was 5 or 6 when i first discovered there was a global conspiracy against me.My parents were in on it!Everyone i knew was either involved in this conspiracy or was a victim of it.<br>When i discovered the secret,that everything i knew and trusted was a lie.<br>when i discovered my parents knew it was a lie and a conspiracy by a shadowy group driven by greed and they did nothing and didn't tell me,well i knew they had to be brainwashed.<br>They tried to brainwash me!it was hard to resist them,nobody could stop the conspiracy they said,everyone lies for it.<br>I pretended to give in to them,i played along with the conspiracy, i learnt to lie, but i never forgot the day i found out that father christmas wasn't real.<br>that was the day i first discovered that nothing is as it seems and that nobody can be trusted.<br>It sound funny now but at the time i was deeply shocked.<br>so when and how did you first figure out that things where not as they seemed. <p></p><i></i>
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About 10 or 11.

Postby FourthBase » Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:51 am

My mom raised me on the JFK assassination.<br><br>Was this supposed to be a joke thread? <p></p><i></i>
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joke thread

Postby smiths » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:16 am

if it wasnt i'd be surprised,<br>certainly made me laugh.<br><br>i remember ordering tony tiger sticky tape from the back of a frosties packet and lo and behold all my presents from father christmas were wrapped using the same tape,<br>i challenged them to tell me the truth and they did, but under no circumstances was i to ruin it for my younger brother and sister.<br><br>it would be great if you challenged the govt and they said, 'yeah alright, you got us' we did put thermite in the core of the wtc and a microchip in george w bush' head but its a beta version and it could do with some debugging<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Let me put it this way

Postby maggrwaggr » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:43 am

What I try to tell people about studying 9/11 ......<br><br>When you study 9/11, and you hit that point, where you realize you've been sucked into a deep, smelly black hole of disinformation and there's that epiphany ....<br><br>The epiphany that it was an inside job.....<br><br>It's very similar to that feeling when you were 8, or 9, or whatever age you were when you suddenly figured out that Santa Clause doesn't exist.<br><br>That's what I tell people.<br><br>The whole paradigm vanishes and is replaced by a new one.<br><br>It's a major loss of innocence, as well. <p></p><i></i>
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no particular age, but...

Postby psyop samurai » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:58 am

I can relate to this. Although presented humorously, it's about something serious - betrayal of trust. ...and finding out that people go along with things just to, um..., go along with them. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :| --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>My adolescent years were traumatizing because of being gay. Essentially, that meant you didn't exist, except as something you weren't. An entire society conspired in this, a society I fundamentally rejected when I came of age. <br><br>That was many years ago, but there are clear parallels to my post-9/11 experience and "coming out" for the truth.<br><br>Before a couple years ago, I had little awareness of "parapolitics", nor did I grasp the implications. Of course, that was before I watched an entire planet get hijacked before my very eyes.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: no particular age, but...

Postby Sweejak » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:53 am

I was 14. i came to the observation that all was not as it appeared while in an 'altered' state. I can't remember just what it was that set me off though.<br><br>In every cry of every Man<br>In every Infant's cry of fear,<br>In every voice, in every ban,<br> The mind-forged manacles I hear.<br>-- William Blake<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Project Willow » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:23 pm

or 34, depending on how you look at it.<br><br>(I know, that's not funny.)<br><br>Wait, wait, is there really a global conspiracy?<br><br>psyop samurai:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>My adolescent years were traumatizing because of being gay. Essentially, that meant you didn't exist, except as something you weren't. An entire society conspired in this, a society I fundamentally rejected when I came of age.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I identify. I don't exist as I really am to most people, and I often think of the term "coming out" when I decide to tell people of my history, which is becoming less and less frequent. It may never change. <p>PW</p><i></i>
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There was a key moment in my political awakening

Postby Seventhson » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:57 pm

if anyone is interested.<br><br>It certainly is one reason I am the way I am and believe what I believe and why I continue what I am doing.<br><br>It is too complicated to go into detail but I was a victim of the COINTELPRO dirty ops as was a close relative of mine who was politically active. He was almost killed in the process.<br><br>But for me the facts began to gel when I was in college and researching black political operations and how the global cabal(s) did their dirty work.<br><br>My father, as I have stated elsewhere, worked with the underground in Europe during the second world war and was also a low level intel operative (State Department) who had to hide his support for the undertground from his antisemitic and proNazi superiors in Washington and in the field. He knew LOTS of things and shared many of them with me as he grew older.<br><br>He had me read "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" to get a better grasp of his perspective (while making it clear that this book (like the links in the thread here on the Rothschilds) contained a propagandistic slant).<br><br>In that book (by Gary Allen) there is a reference to the book :"Tragedy and Hope, A History of the World in Our Time" by a Harvard and Georgetown professor named Carroll Quigley, wherein it is stated that the Morgan operatives , the Dulles brothers, were in collusion with Hitler. There were few specifics but the names of their lawfirm "Sullivan and Cromwell" and a bank they were affiliated with, The Schroder (sp?) Bank, were there as were the citations to the Quigley book.<br><br>There were also citations to Anthony Sutton's work on the financing of Stalin by the US in secret deals before and after WWII between the Rockefellers, et al. and people high up in our government. My father had some direct knowledge of some of these operations, as he knew some of the principals. What this meant was that, essentially, the Cold War, was a global financial chessgame and the players on both sides were controlled by the same financial institutions so that BILLIONS in US currency <br>were transferred to Stalin's and other totalitarian regimes with the complicity of people in our government and State Department to target US and to justify the purchase of trillions of weapons sytems to profit the elite fascists from Wall Street.<br><br>NOW there is much more to the story, but needless to say I had to read Carroll Quigleys huge tome (published just after the assassination of JFK -0 and NOT including anything relkated to it.<br><br>Quigley claimed to have private access to the papers of these elites as they wanted the true history to be recorded for posterity.<br><br>When I found the book in my local University library I was somewhat taken aback to see that it was a gift to the Library from the US government (and i found it elsewhere with the same glued gift notice in other University libraries later). It was dusty and iot appeared no one had ever taken it out (this was in the seventies, more than ten years after its publication).<br><br>The epiphany occurred when I began to read the material and, using the flawed index, found the Schroder Bank and Sullican and Cromwell and discovered (and this absolutely took my breath away) that Allen Dulles (our CIADI/fired by JFK/adamant Warren commission member saying Oswald WASN'T CIA/ and director of Switzerland operations of the OSS during WWII) was actually on the BOARD OF DIRECTORS of the Schroder Bank.<br><br>The Schroder Bank was the principal German Bank which bankrolled Hitler's rise to power when he cut deals with the western financial powers in 1932-3. This is documented in Quigley's book.<br><br>It's offices (humungous towers) used to (and may still) sit at #1 Wall Street. Clinton named its president, Wolfson (sp?), to head the World Bank a few years back when he was president.<br><br>ALSO - Sullivan and Cromwell were the LAWYERS for IGFarben - the industrial company which <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>ran</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> the slave and death camps known as Auschwitz.<br><br><br>Therein was the epiphany: OUR director of CIA (one of the first, bascially a founder) who was fired by JFK and whose brother was Secretary of State when he was head of the CIA under Eisenhower and Nixon - and who VOUCHED for Oswald's NON-CIA credentials making him the lone gunman with no ties to Dulles himself (that is another story) ALSO worked for the nazis: helped set them up. Helped set up our own SS and gestapo which was doing dirty tricks in the US under COINTELPRO and murdering US citizens (and it was happening when Bush I was director of the CIA in the seventies)<br><br>This man was a a primary figure in bringing Hitler to [power and he ran OUR intel services.<br><br>He was a Morgan Bank functionary and a Prescott Bush collaborator in NY with Brown Brothers harriman (another epiphany years later in 1994 when I read John Loftus and Aaron's "The Secret War Against the Jews... which documented the Bush ties to Dulles)<br><br><br>I began posting about this stuff after interviewing John Loftus and after, in both instances in my journalistic career, receiving death threats and dirty tricks harassment and death threats agiainst my wife and children. For years I had been afraid to speak out, and then there was Clinton and a seeming safe haven --- and then there was the approach of election 2000.<br><br>Loftus was supposed to do a 60 minutes piece on the Bush-Nazi tioes before the 2000 election, but it got killed. He discussed it with me in an interview which was published in an alternative media.<br><br>In 2000 the death threats were severe and I accidentally (or stupidly) revealed my email address in response to a fascist who pretended to be my ally. <br><br><br>In any event, that is a part of my story and how I became aware that we are living in what is becoming, if it is not already - and I think it pretty much is, the Fourth reich. And that is no exaggeration.<br><br>Questions?<br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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not a joke thread,but glad you laughed

Postby hmm » Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:20 am

i wrote it the way i did because i hear the voices of those who "dont exist".<br>I think the responses to the thread are interesting in that they show how different personal experiences can lead to the same "truth". and how different personal experiences of trauma lead one to recognise the essential truth of others trauma, even if their account defies ones own (or the conventional) view of reality.<br><br>I do really credit the father christmas conspiracy for opening my eyes and as my paradigm shift.and i was really interested how others reached that point.<br>dont feel bad for laughing (i laughed at my own joke go figure) or thinking it was just a joke, if anything thats a positive thing. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: not a joke thread,but glad you laughed

Postby Seventhsonjr » Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:59 pm

I think that the breakdown of trust often begins with the santa clause story being shattered at a young age. I was somewhat traumatized by it (and it happened on Christma morning when I tried to get my parents to check out the toys I had gottewn and was excited about.<br><br>The bluntness of the info was too much and really crushed me, especially as I was only looking to share the joy (jeez my Dad coulda done it later on and not the morning of, when I was not sao high on one of my most favorite magical experiences (the joy of Christmas morning). I was about 9, I guess, not younger,<br><br>But my response above was meant to elicit some responses from others whoi had epiphanies about the nazi-Bush_CIA ties.<br><br>THAT galvanized my worldview immensely. And based on scholarly writings given as a gift by our government to my university library. Yowzah!!!<br><br><br>And I'd be happy to respond to questions. about it.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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A small addition re: BushCo - Nazi links

Postby Qutb » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:38 pm

Auschwitz was actually run by a worldwide cartel between IG Farben and Standard Oil of New Jersey. The principal manager of the merged enterprise was a certain William Stamps Farish. The slave camp was set up in 1940 to produce artificial rubber and gasoline with virtually free labour (any capitalist's wet dream). It was located close to the Polish coal and steel plants, owned by Consolidated Silesian Steel Company, owned 2/3 by the Flick family of Germany and 1/3 by Harriman 15 Corporation, in which Prescott Bush was a shareholder, and by the United Steel Works, of which Prescott was supervisor of its Polish operations and George Herbert Walker was director.<br><br>In March 1942, Farish was charged by the US govt of criminal conspiracy with the Nazis. Future president Truman was chairman of the Senate committee which investigated Farish. His comment to the press: "This approaches treason". Farish had deceived the US Navy to prevent the Navy from acquiring certain patents, while supplying them to the Nazis. He was also supplying gasoline and lead to the German war machine. Farish began breaking apart during the hearings and died later that year.<br><br>One of Farish's daughters married one of the Harrimans. The couple was close to George Bush, Sr. <br><br>Farish's grandson, William Stamps Farish III, took over the management of all of Bush's personal wealth in a blind trust when Bush became vice president in 1980. <br><br>William Stamps Farish III is currently US ambassador to Britain, appointed by George Bush, Jr.<br><br>And then, of course, there's the whole story of the Union Banking Corporation and the Bank voor Handel en Scheepsvart, and the Nazi money laundered by Bush, Walker and Harriman which was the origin of the wealth of George Bush, Sr.<br><br>W. Averell Harriman's father, by the way, E. Roland Harriman, and his wife in particular, were rabid eugenics supporters. They held a meeting in 1932 in the US at which a German was elected leader of the World Eugenics Society. I don't remember his name at the moment, but one year later he wrote Hitler's race laws... <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: A small addition re: BushCo - Nazi links

Postby Seventhsonjr » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:49 pm

Very important details.<br><br>For more I do suggest checking our John Loftus's website and his articles in this regard www.john_loftus.com<br><br>while I disagree with John on many things (altho I count him as a friend since I interviewed him before the 2000 election and he was very public about the Bush-Nazi ties and did everything he could to make this story get to the media) he has consitently kept the exposure going for the Bush nazi links, the links to the Saudis, and many other issues.<br><br>He does, unfortunately from my perspective, align himself, however, tpp closely with the militant "by any means necessary" right wing in Israel, depite his critiques of many fo them selling out to the Rockefellers and WASP wall street.<br><br>Having spent many hours with survivors of Dachau and Auschwitz and many other camps ( and having worked with many who were in the AntiNazi underground) I completely UNDERSTAND those who believe that any means are justified to assure the survival of Israel.<br><br>I just believe that the means that Sharon et al are using are suicide for Israel and its people and is based on insanity and greed and NOT a posture of justified defense of the Jewish people.<br><br>But then again, lots of those in the Israeli right think I am dangerously naive.<br><br>I think they are dangerously self-destructive and full of a martyr PTSD syndrome much like the alleged sucide bombers who attack them. Only in Likud terms that means sacrifing Jews "for the cause" just as the alleged Hamas send teens and girls off to blow themselves up for "Allah" when in reality they are just killing people for the benefit of their handlers.<br><br>Yikes. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: A small addition re: BushCo - Nazi links

Postby FourthBase » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:53 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I completely UNDERSTAND those who believe that any means are justified to assure the survival of Israel.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>How about relocating it to Canada? <p></p><i></i>
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good thread...

Postby robertdreed » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:09 pm

My first exposure to the idea of political conspiracy came with my father's jesting references to "the Rothschild conspiracy" running the world. Dad was an Army officer working at the Pentagon at that time- late Vietnam era- doing desk jockey work, being a flak-catcher. Nothing spooky (although I visited his office once or twice, and lounging in the adjacent stacks I scored neat-o DoD publications on how the Viet Cong constructed zip guns, booby traps, and IEDs like gunpowder mines made from coconuts- the sort of material that would probably not make it out of the building these days...) Dad was just another bureaucratic functionary, of the sort that helps make modern societies run smoothly, without asking awkward questions. ( Later, in college, I learned a lot from the works of Max Weber, who had it down about the innate tendencies and inherent hazards of bureaucracy, hierarchy, modernity, compartmentalization of large institutions...) <br><br>I could tell that Dad didn't believe a bit of it. But I found it interesting that he seemed to have picked up on ideas floating around somewhere in his work environment, or among his military colleagues. <br><br>Around the same time, I came across a pair of books purchased by my mother, Whitewash, and Whitewash II, on the Kennedy assassination. I looked through them, but it didn't add up to me. Still, I found it interesting that my Mom would be reading something so out-there...<br><br>That was about it, up until Watergate, 1973-74. Then the Church Committeee hearings followed- unearthing a lot of hidden history on various clandestine projects of the CIA. Soon afterward, Victor Marchetti's memoir came out, detailing more CIA skullduggery. And the fallout of the CIA disclosures continued into 1977...these included televised reportage on the evening news about the revelations of MK-ULTRA.<br><br>But at that point, I took those media revelations as evidence that our system worked, that the US government was ready, willing, and able to clean house. The net effect was to reassure me about the integrity of the system. <br><br>(How could I know what wasn't being told by the mainstream press- about the fascist juntas and Death Squads of the Southern Cone and elsewhere in the world supported by the US, and all the other dirty work? Only the insignificant US Left press published those stories, which were easy for me to dismiss as commie propaganda. I was a Cold Warrior...and to this day, a supporter of American ideals of liberty, free enterprise and ethical capitalism. So I found those stories simple to dismiss, pre-emptively...just refuse to look at the evidence.) <br><br>The War On Drugs really bugged me, but I didn't preceive any hidden agenda behind it. I grew up with it as someone caught up in an ongoing state of inter-generational conflict- a tragic, misbegotten, misplaced moral crusade brought on and sustained by the irrational fears and ignorance of my parents generation. Occasionally in high school, I had heard other teenagers make the claim that drug prohibition was left in place for corrupt reasons by the government, in order to ensure high profits from the illegal trade. That just sounded like nonsense to me, teenage cynicism. I paid it no mind.<br><br>Then the Iran-Contra imbroglio came along in the 1980s, and I began hearing that the some of anti-communist Contras had gotten away with running drugs from time to time. I figured that was simply par for the course. I was think that occasionally some of them were running ounces of coke, maybe a few kilos at most. That was the impression given by the media, whenever the story was brought up...<br><br>Time went by...the Cold War ended in 1989. I celebrated, anticipating the Peace Dividend that would inevitably result. (hey, I was a Cold Warrior, not a war-monger.) I returned to University, got my BA in cultural anthro. I was almost 40 years old. And then one day in 1994, I heard a radio interview with a former US DEA agent, Michael Levine, who was claiming that elements of the US Federal government intelligence apparatus- which he explicitly associated with George Bush's political direction- were consistently running interference for the biggest cocaine smuggling networks in the world, as an informal "quid pro quo" related to the agreeably right-wing political policies of the corrupt national governments and militaries intertwined with the traffickers. And this wasn't about the occasional ounce or kilo, it was about pipelines into the USA, allowed impunity at the highest levels. <br><br>I found that so unbelievable that I set out to debunk it...<br><br>hey, I tried. <br><br>That project led me to the world of money laundering- which leaped from relative insignificance at its advent in the 1950s to comprising $100 billion- 10% of the world economy- by 1980, and it's simply spiralled on from there... When I first read that statistic, found in the 1994 book Hot Money, by McGill University econ professor R. T. Naylor, I found myself amazed that there was a functioning economy of law-abiding merchants and legitimate international trade left anywhere in the world. <br><br>As for the political realm...organized crime syndicates, many of global scope, are in the process of penetrating every government in the world, buying influence wherever they can, across the ideological spectrum, at every level of government they can reach. <br><br><br><br>Welcome to the Underground Empire. <br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 7/15/05 8:10 pm<br></i>
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relocate to Canada Heh

Postby Seventhson » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:30 pm

I actually believe that there is something holy about Jerusalem which makes it important to all those who follow the faith of Abraham and Melchizadek, the priest of Salem who annointed Abraham and Sarah.<br><br>I have been in the Holy of Holies and in Qumran and En Gedi and Masada and Jericho and Jordan and the Garden of Gethsemane and the Valley of Gehinnon: there is a mystical qulaity to the environment.<br><br>I came away feeling that all the earth is sacred, but that Jerusalem and its environs seem to have special mystical attributes lending themselves to visonary experiences (for better or worse, unfortunatley)<br><br>Hell, I think Canada should take in all of us refugees from fascism.<br><br>BUT I do believe there is a spirit of heart that accompanies the descendants of those people who came from that region which should be honored.<br><br>I think it (the Temple Mount) should be governed internationally and made a holy place for all people (not only the Muslims) as it has been historically.<br><br>But I also believe that the right of return should apply equally to all the spiritual and ethnic heirs of Ishmael and Isaac.<br><br>I tend to support the "Third Way" movement in Israel/Palestine which draws one line down the middle (1967 borders) and makes Old Jerusalem an international peace zone.<br><br>Sunject to some degree of the right of return and citrizenship on both sides (so a Jew could live in Gaza but vote in Israel OR Palestine, wherever they would opt for.<br><br>This is no easy task, but it seems the fairest with international protections for all citizens on both sides.<br><br>This is why Rabin died and why Gore was stabbed in the back by the Likudniks who aligned with Bush: to defeat this third way.<br><br>Anyway, if moving Jerusalem to Canada was feasible then I might entertain that as an option.<br><br>Power spots are, however, power spots, whether they are real or just imagined: some people will never give them up and will die to keep or get them.<br><br>Sad<br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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