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sweejak - these are the quotes I was responding to:

Postby Seventhson » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:41 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I definetely got the vibe that these are the cats who are at the apex of dominion over the world, and no one even knows they exist. When people talk offensively about Jews trying to rule the world, could it be that they're talking about the Jewish Rothschilds?<br><br>Of course this is an overly simple primer on their clan; I've left out lots of names and means. Left to be filled in, I hope, by all of you.<br><br>So, do they really rule the world?<br><br> <br>DrDebugDU<br>Registered Member<br>Posts: 42<br>(7/14/05 4:40 pm)<br>Reply Re: House of the Red Shield<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> Yep. They own the world!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br>Unfortunately the "they" used here appears to mean "Jews" and your Marx quote seems to add fuel to that hatefilled fire.<br><br>I would doubt the authenticity of that letter, but even still it may be accurate, out of context, or merely drivel.<br><br>Or it may be Marx's perspective and he may have been a shill for the early fascists too. It may have been his own brand of antiSemitism or disinformation.<br><br>Or it could be totally a fake quote.<br><br>As for these statements meaning the "they" as "the Rothschilds" AGAIN my point is that there may be Rothschild money in the same banks wioth the Rockefellers and Morgans and Harrimans and the Bushes et al (in fact most of these banks have now merged into megabanks with interlocking directoarates as well pointed out by C. Wright Mills in "The Power Elites" many years ago - and it is more centralized now.<br><br>To say that YES it is the JEWS or Yes it is the Rothschilds is the problem --- it IS too simplistic, it IS AntiSemitic and it totally glosses over the anglo-german-aryan-American horned demonic beast behind almost all of it.<br><br>I do not believe that ALL elites are fascist or that ALL WASPs are bad , or all Germans or all Nordic descendants --- ONLY the ones who have embraced fascism, especially of the necrophilic war mongering and profiteering and lust for torture types.<br><br>One of the reasons I know too damn much about this all is because I come from that background: I went to school with these people --- I was in their houses and private sanctuaries. I am RELATED to many of them. I have relatives by blood and marriage who were in Skull and Bones and who were in the intelligence services.<br><br>I am, at least on one side of my family, descended from the anglo-german wasp normans.<br><br>But in my family there are many rebels against the sickness which is waspism.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "The Rothschilds"

Postby robertdreed » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:42 pm

Got any links, heath7? <br><br>There's only one living Rothschild heir I'm able to name...his name isn't Jacob. For that matter, I don't know if he takes any active interest at all in managing the family fortune. Maybe he's just another jet-set trust fundie, albeit a big-time one. <br><br>I've read several Rothschild family biographies, but no recent offerings. There's at least one new one, I paged through it for a bit. It's a "friendly" biography, unlike a couple of the others. Frankly, it read like hagiography, like the majority of biographies of rich dynasties. But if read, at the very least it would provide a list of the most recent generation of heirs. <br><br>...a gold star...I would think that would be enough...<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: sweejak - these are the quotes I was responding to:

Postby DrDebugDU » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:47 pm

DrDebugDU<br>Registered Member<br>Posts: 42<br>(7/14/05 4:40 pm)<br>Reply Re: House of the Red Shield<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Yep. They own the world!<br><br>So that remark where They = Rothschildt makes me a Jew hater.<br><br>Seventhson you are a disgusting person. I am not even going to argue with you. I'm out of this site, because I know people like you. The only thing you want to do is blacken other people.<br><br>P.S. I'm a Jewish. Thanks for calling me a nazi many times in your tirades <p></p><i></i>
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Re: sweejak - these are the quotes I was responding to:

Postby Sweejak » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:15 pm

Seven, I understand what your saying, in fact I agree with you that it is not only Jews or even Zionists. I think they are merely the most visible part of it all. What I object to is the raising of the anti-semite alarm when someone brings up facts in regard to who controls the world and when they happen to also be Jews. If someone thinks bankers control the world and then one finds mostly Jews as owners of the banks.... well, what Nimmo said. There is undeniable (IMO) evidence thru Napoleon,WWI, II, even the civil war and indeed today's Iraq war that people who think or claim that they are Jews have a whole lot to do with designing and furthering these wars, and that is not even mentioning the more mundane national security issue of spying.<br><br>To continue this we would have to start defining terms, for instance "Semite" and even "Jew". Are we talking a race? What about the Khazars? are we only talking a religion, which one, can I unsubscribe? Is it a real one or a hijacked one? And Racism, shall we ignore Jewish racism? Would it be anti semitic to point that out? How about the archeological record of who the Jews were? What about those ghastly passages in the Talmud? Who wrote and follows them?<br><br>I'm all for digging deeper in the end we will find that the enemy is us.... or maybe lizards.<br>Trust me if you can, when I see something racist I'll bring it up, you can do the same to me. I've been thru this debate many times and defended Jews many times. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "The Rothschilds"

Postby heath7 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:21 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br> - Mayer Amschel Rothschild<br><br>... another interesting point, the second baron Walter Rothschild was the addressee of the Balfour Declaration, commiting Great Britain to the establishment of a Jewish state within Palestine. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: sweejak - these are the quotes I was responding to:

Postby DrDebugDU » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:27 pm

> I agree with you that it is not only Jews or even Zionists. I think they are merely the most visible part of it all.<br><br>The problem with the Rothschilds is that it is the other way around, they are not visible anymore. They have moved to the background. And they are illuminati in many documents. Freemasonry is their real religion.<br><br>The USD, British Pound, Euro are controlled by large by the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers. Especially since the first family controls a major part of JP Morgan, Warburg, Kuhn, Loeb and Co and have links to Shell as well.<br><br>But for some reason they are not allowed to be discussed without being flamed down.<br><br>The Rothschilds also have many connections with the Rockefellers (Standard Oil/Exxon, Chase Manhattan Bank, National City Bank etc.)<br><br>So what we have here is a group which is incredibly strong and the operate on debt and oil. And that is exactly the Bush policies. During Harriman they knew about this construction and it is two families (Rothschild and Rockefeller) who control over the important currency market.<br><br>But as you can see that mentioning Rothschild means getting flamed down, however it seems like they are even bigger and ultimately even more important than the Rockefellers. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=drdebugdu>DrDebugDU</A> at: 7/15/05 1:29 pm<br></i>
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Re: "The Rothschilds"

Postby Sweejak » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:36 pm

Here is a little background on what happened to Germany after WWI and how it was easy to blame those in power, who coincidentally included many Jews, they became the main target once again because they were the most visible IMO. There are many more reasons for the "Holocaust" than are commonly known.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/starvation1919.html">www.wintersonnenwende.com...n1919.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Frankly the Germans had more reason to go nazi than the USa has, who decided to go insane at the height of her power. Two buildings brought down and the nation collapses. I wonder if Prince Ferdinands's assassin had any idea that his pistol would "start" WWI. Yes I know it's not that simple but it's something to think about. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "The Rothschilds"

Postby Sweejak » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:42 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But for some reason they are not allowed to be discussed without being flamed down.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Good point, I wonder do they make the lists of the world's wealthiest? <p></p><i></i>
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adding fuel to the fire...

Postby robertdreed » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:47 pm

but, after all, this is the RI ezboard.<br><br>Data point one: Count Coudenhove-Kalergi, one of the prime movers behind the post WW2 Pan-Europa movement, once offered his opinion that the most superior gene pool resulted from the hybridization of European Jewry with Northern Europeans. Coudenhove-Kalergi was considered a model "aristocratic liberal" of his time. <br><br>Note: It was the 1940s, the pre-DNA era. Humans- particularly elites- have long had a fascination with ancestry and bloodlines, no? And the taxonomy nomenclature was traditionally that of animal husbandry, in the days before the discovery of the double helix.<br><br>( Meanwhile, the "conservative reactionaries" of that era were represented by people like Walter Darre, Hitler's Agriculture Minister. Note: Darre still has a cult following. I read a recent bio of him and his ideas, which I found rather insidious. Beautifully bound, though...green pebble finish, embossed with a gold swastika on the binding of the book spine. )<br><br>For what it's worth, I think Coudenhove-Kalergi's univariate estimation positing a single "superior breed" of human is overly cut and dried. To say the least. But speaking as a brown-eyed brunette Scots-Alsatian, I'm not opposed to that variant by any means. I have approximately zero problem hooking up with the right Jewess, not that I'm likely to find one here...but there are plenty of other ethnicities and hybrids that appear to be bright, good-tempered, and phenotypically desirable, not to put too fine a point on it. <br><br>(Ever notice how the people most obsessed with the ethnicity, specific phenotypes, and ancestry of human mating tend to be MALE? And the more ethnically particularistic/caste-conscious they are, the more that's likely to be true...also note the atavistic insistence on close in-breeding by aristocracies, wherever they've historically appeared. Not particularly genetically sound, but there it is...human males tend to be fond of "collecting", sorting, ranking, concocting hierarchies of desirability that lead to a univariate apex...and then there's the "stay away from my tribe, but if I like yours, I'm on it...all I want is a harem menagerie, and total control over choosing suitors for my offspring" program... a subset of the larger program "I'm a total egotist, all I want from life is the full array of gratification that I'm capable of imagining." Christ, what a planet. And to realize that I have these tendencies myself...) <br><br>It would be a pity if the long-standing political alliances between Zionist Israelis like Bibi Netanyahu and WASPs like George Bush came down to a covert faction within the Zraeli Ashkenazim wanting to increase their hybridization and "pass for white", for which purpose they've allied themselves with the American military-industrial complex, the South African apartheidists, the abhorrent ethnic biowarfare research underground, etc. in pursuit of that dreadful objective.<br><br>Oh, it is too horrible, I cannot utter it...<br><br>...well, this is the RI ezboard...<br><br>What if there's a Blue-Eyed Conspiracy? Binny Netanyahu has blue eyes. Ariel Sharon has blue eyes. GHWB and GWB have blue eyes. Tony Blair has blue eyes. Rumsfeld has blue eyes. Henry Kissinger has blue eyes.<br><br>Condi Rice has green eyes. Colin Powell has green eyes. So maybe it's an anti-brown-eyed conspiracy... <br><br>Now I've done it. Judging from the record of some of the commentaries aound here, that ought to be more than enough information to send some of the more suggestible RI chatboard denizens straight off the deep end.<br><br>I feel that I should at least add the disclaimer that I'm not indicting every blue-eyed person in the world...some of my best friends...and I dig that Bob Dylan... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 7/15/05 2:15 pm<br></i>
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Re: "The Rothschilds"

Postby DrDebugDU » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:49 pm

> Good point, I wonder do they make the lists of the world's wealthiest? <br><br>That's the funny thing. The fortune of the Rothschild family is completely unknown. It's their best kept secret. Stupid people like Bill Gates like to brag about how much he has, but the Rothschild learned that it nobody's business, but their business.<br><br>However since their business is debt, they are doing quite well. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "The Rothschilds"

Postby robertdreed » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:57 pm

Considering the extent to which they feature in conspiracy conjectures, doing an Internet search on specific factual information concerning "the Rothschilds" is a horrendous task. Even for ordinary stuff, like finding a recent edition of the dynastic tree...<br><br>Better to get thyself to a well-stocked library...but maybe I'll give an Internet search a brief assay anyway... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "The Rothschilds"

Postby Sweejak » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:08 pm

I used to have a pretty vast collection of items, lots of links have since died.<br>These are from a forum that is currently down.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.villa-ephrussi.com/ephrussi/photogallery/uk_index.htm">www.villa-ephrussi.com/ep..._index.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.villa-ephrussi.com/ephrussi/decouvertes/uk_decouvertes_1.htm">www.villa-ephrussi.com/ep...rtes_1.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.waddesdon.org.uk/">www.waddesdon.org.uk/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.theheritagetrail.co.uk/stately%20homes/waddesdon%20manor.htm">www.theheritagetrail.co.u...0manor.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.haltonhouse.org.uk/">www.haltonhouse.org.uk/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.oecd.org/document/63/0,2340,en_2649_34495_1956607_1_1_1_1,00.html">www.oecd.org/document/63/..._1,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nobhilltravel.com/Photos/jht-lon4.jpg">www.nobhilltravel.com/Pho...t-lon4.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.illuminati-news.com/moriah.htm">www.illuminati-news.com/moriah.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://washingtontimes.com/world/20031102-111400-3720r.htm">washingtontimes.com/world...-3720r.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rense.com/general44/rek.htm">www.rense.com/general44/rek.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "The Rothschilds"

Postby DrDebugDU » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:22 pm

I think you are going to get flamed for that rense link. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "The Rothschilds"

Postby robertdreed » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:28 pm

Well, at least I got some info on Jacob Rothschild out of that Washington Times link. Although at 67, he's too old to count as the most recent generation...<br><br>In with Khordo, eh? Not that surprising, the Rothschilds were the original developers of the Caucasus oil fields, at the advent of the Age Of Oil in the late 19th century. A neat commodity for which to get in on the ground floor, in retrospect... <p></p><i></i>
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a lot of folks thing rense is a Bushzi disinformationist

Postby Seventhson » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:29 pm

I have my concerns about this as well. <p></p><i></i>
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