by Qutb » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:38 am
"show me where he is "anti-semitic"."<br><br>Em, protocols of the Elders of Zion are genuine, he's "sceptical" of the reality of the Holocaust, Schindler's List is "propaganda" being fed to unsuspecting schoolchildren, etc.<br><br>"The elite PTB and globalists naturally have an agenda in discreditting Icke simply because he taps into a broad-based collective of alternative thinking, public suspician and opposition to the propaganda and bullshit and crimes and self-serving lies of the status-quo. Icke's 'dangerous' precisely because he challenges convention and asserts that NOTHING is too bizarre to question."<br><br>Oh, come on. The "PTB" and the globalists love David. They don't need to discredit him, he does a fine job of discrediting himself all on his own. Not only himself, but by association other, more serious "conspiracy theorists" as well. It's a damn shame. <br><br>I think the Masters of the Universe - the financial cartels of New York, London and Paris, the European Commission, the international corporate elite, the oil cartel, this largely uniform transnational (but Anglo-centric) technocratic elite - are genuinely worried about the current backlash against their decades-long push for "globalization" (or "anglobalization"). The policies of the IMF and the World Bank have been discredited, the "harmonization" of legislation and regulation in intellectual property, investment, and services through the WTO (paving the way for further corporate takeover) has come to a standstill. The Iraq war has discredited militaristic colonialsm (again), and brought millions to the streets to protest militarism for the first time since the sixties. More people are becoming aware of the games that are being played.<br><br>So what's the best thing that could happen, from the point of view of the technocratic elite? If I were, say, Peter Sutherland (chairman of the Bilderberg club, chairman of the European division of the Trilateral Commission, chairman of British Petroleum, chairman of Goldman Sachs International, former Secretary General of the WTO etc.), nothing would please me more than to see these concerns be hijacked by a man like David Icke, who questions the Holocaust but not the Elders of Zion, and who believes me to be (still pretending I'm Peter Sutherland) a shape-shifting lizard, all because he has channelled the information from someone residing on Mars. <br><br>I still haven't read any of Icke's books and I still don't intend to (by God, there's so much <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>real</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> information out there to read), so perhaps I shouldn't talk about him at all, but the things I've read on the web suffice for me. I'm with you on this, Seventh Son.<br><br>On the subject of the Rothschilds, it's an interesting family/dynasty for sure, and I'm quite sure they are more influential than the lack of attention given to them in the "mainstream" would suggest. For those who remember the roaring 80s, Edmond de Rothschild (Edmond Adolphe Jules Jacques Maurice Baron de Rothschild) played a significant behind-the-scenes role in the junk-bond leveraged buy-out mania which typified the decade, as did his associate Sir James Goldsmith, who was one of the robber barons responsible for the de-industrialization of Britain (and who bankrolled the Contras through the United Fruit Company). <br><br>Baron Edmond formed an alliance with JP Morgan Co. to create Drexel Burnham Lambert (with funds from the Rothschild-controlled Banque Lambert in Brussels), the Beverly Hills-based brokerage run by Michael Milken, who was later convicted on a multitude of charges and sentenced to several years in prison (if I remember correctly). Baron Edmond bankrolled Max Fisher of the Purpe Gang in Detroit and George Soros, the currency speculator/hedge fund pirate/"Open Society" founder/MoveOn funder. He was associated with David Rockefeller and he had a network in Europe which was of great assistance in his money laundering operations and sleazy financial schemes. For those who are interested, google "Edmond Rothschild" and "Bancal Tristate Corp".<br><br>Some other bits and pieces of information I have picked up here and there:<br><br>DeBeers, which is still controlled by the Rothschilds, still control about two thirds of the world's uncut diamond supply. The company was created in 1887, when the Rothschilds loaned a million pounds to Cecil Rhodes to establish DeBeers Consolidated Mines Ltd, with Lord Nathan Rothschild on the board. They soon supplied 80% of the world's diamonds. An interesting diamond anecdote: when diamonds were discovered in the Orange and Vaal regions in South Africa in 1867, the Rothschilds knew before anybody else, as they had agents in the field who could speedily relay the news to Europe. They had, in fact, established their own world-wide, private intelligence service by the mid-19th century. Having received this information, they hastily acquired the biggest stake in Anglo-American Mining Company Ltd, and then used it as a vehicle for buying out smaller claim-holders. To this day, "superior intelligence", in the sense of information-gathering, is said to be one of the family's strengths.<br><br>Lord Nathan Rothschild was also connected to Cecil Rhodes by his membership in the Rhodes-Milner roundtable.<br><br>LCF Rothschild Group in Geneva is one of Europe's leading private investment houses. They pioneered the multi-manager hedge fund in the 1970s. Geneva is also the base of one of the family's holding companies, Rothschild Continuation Holding, established 1947.<br><br>Lord Jacob Rothschild controls a sizeable chunk of the shares in the British weekly The Economist. His ties to Russian oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky have already been mentioned. Hmm, wonder why The Economist suddenly became so hostile to Putin after Khodorkovsky was arrested? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>The Rothschilds, of course, donated the Knesset building in Israel.<br><br>Sir Evelyn de Rothschild bought the brokerage Smith Brothers in the early eighties, turned it into Smith New Court, which played a leading role in effecting Thatcher's privatization programme. <br><br>London-based N.M. Rothschild & Sons held the 12th position in global mergers and acquisitions in 2001. <br><br>The Rothschilds are known to control Rio Tinto Zinc Corporation, which connived with the French Rothschilds in the 1970s to form a global Uranium cartel. They had, for a while, an interest in nearly every Uranium mine in the world. Rio Tinto became the leading copper miner globally as early as the 1870s-80s. In 1905, the Rothschilds controlled 30% of the shares, later over 50%. The Rothschild-controlled Société des Métaux began buying huge quantities of copper in the late 19th century, to fix the world price.<br><br>There has, at times, been significant opposition to the Rothschilds in France. The leftist-populist Front Populaire robbed them of their extensive railway holdings in the 1930s. Pétain stripped them of their citizenship. Their power was severly curtailed after the war. Mitterand nationalized Rothschild et Scie Banque, but it was returned to its original owners after only a couple of years. He has later been said to have a close relationship with the family, as president Pompidou had.<br><br>In the 1950s, the old Paris-based merhant bank De Rothschild Frères was turned into a global financial conglomerate investing in oil, mining, shipping, real estate.<br><br>They're still a significant force, but I doubt they are as omnipotent today as they were in the 19th century. Their key tool was the creation of the international bond market, which they invented, which enabled capitalists to invest in the debt of states by purchasing internationally tradeable debt instruments. There's a direct link from this invention to the misère of many third world nations today.<br><br>Later in the 19th century, they shifted their focus from court financing to investments in infrastructure (railways) and raw materials. By 1900, they controlled much of the world's gold, copper, diamonds, oil, mercury, lead etc. Controlling raw materials has remained their core interest, and if you want to own the world, raw materials is not a bad place to start.<br><br>But I tend to see the Rothschild dynasty (or dynasties, as there are at least two distinct "houses") as a part of a larger Anglo-American-European (not Jewish) cartel rather than an independnet "conspiracy". I do think the aim of this cartel is to own or control most of the world's resources, in other words, the good old "world domination". The IMF and the World Bank were, during the 1970s, turned into instruments of this cartel. This cartel or cartel of cartels comprises the major oil companies, the major financial institutions such as JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, BNP Paribas/AXA, HSBC, AIG, Goldman Sachs etc, and the multinationals in the mining/minerals industry such as Anglo-American, Anglo Gold Ashanti, DeBeers etc. Perhaps the individuals who ultimately pull the strings are very few in number, but one can only speculate about that. I doubt it boils down to one family, or a few families, though.<br><br>The policies favoured by the cartel are well known: no barriers to foreign investment, no royalties, no restrictions on foreign ownership, repatriation of profits etc, no bothersome environmental regulation, strict enforcement of "intellectual property rights", which should be extended to cover nearly everything, free trade in services, including financial services, privatized social security, privatization of public services and state-run enterprises, no protection of labour rights, no minimum wages, and so on. They also favour the monetarist austerity policies of the Mont Pelerin Society, Milton Friedman and Friedrich von Hayek. <p></p><i></i>
