Who Parked The Moon?

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Re: Who Parked The Moon?

Postby slimmouse » Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:43 pm

alwyn wrote:Good to see the post re: Gurdjieff in this discussion. Technically the oral tradition of the G's has it that there was a cosmic 'accident' and that humanities 'organs of perception' were altered by 'higher beings' in order to deal with the trauma of the accident. The 'kundabuffer' was 'installed' in man as a form of kindness to his psyche, but it got out of hand, and mankind's perceptions were permanently altered. The moon was instrumental in maintaining the 'kundabuffer', which is another term for veil, or conditioned reality. At a certain point, this veil was to be lifted, but humans became so enamored of it, they refuse to part with their conditioning, often maintaining their attachment to it at the cost of the 'messenger technician's' life....(How long shall they kill our prophets, says Marley.) Interesting metaphor, at any rate.

It is also interesting, in light of this metaphor, to note that the moon's orbital cycle controls just about everything on the planet, growth of plants, tides, the human emotional cycle and fertility cycle. Full moons bring out the lunatics everywhere, hospitals and police departments have long noted the effects of the full moon. Farmers plant by it. Astrologers can determine much of man's conditioning, based upon the position of the moon/earth combination in relation to the rest of the cosmos.

If it was intelligent design, it was very intelligent. :praybow Or diabolical.

The sufis have a story called 'the islanders'. They maintain that we were on a journey somewhere, and that cosmic conditions got too bad to continue, so we were parked here for a time. The time has passed to move on, but we have grown fond of our 'home' so to speak, and now fail to recognize any other. The 'BEezlebubs Tales' contain much coded reference to Sufi literature, and the incomplete tale that Mr. G. told has it's basis in far older literature. Fascinating study...food for the moon indeed.


All that you touch
All that you see
All that you taste
All that you feel
All that you love
All that you hate
All you distrust
All that you save
All that you give
All that you deal
All that you buy
beg, borrow or steal
All you create
All you destroy
All that you do
All that you say
All that you eat
everyone you meet
All that you slight
everyone you fight
All that is now
All that is gone
All that's to come
and everything under the sun is in tune
but the sun is eclipsed by the moon.

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Re: Who Parked The Moon?

Postby justdrew » Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:41 pm

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Re: Who Parked The Moon?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:22 pm

brainpanhandler wrote:Actually that's not very far off topic at all really.

wikipedia wrote:Around 330 BC, Aristotle provided observational evidence for the spherical Earth, noting that travelers going south see southern constellations rise higher above the horizon. He argued that this was only possible if their horizon was at an angle to northerners' horizon and that the Earth's surface therefore could not be flat. He also noted that the border of the shadow of Earth on the Moon during the partial phase of a lunar eclipse is always circular, no matter how high the Moon is over the horizon. Only a sphere casts a circular shadow in every direction, whereas a circular disk casts an elliptical shadow in all directions apart from directly above and directly below.


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The wikipedia article on Flat Earth details the many prescientific cultures that believed the earth was flat:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

Later Eratosthenes provided further proof of the Earth's curvature and calculated it's size as demonstrated by our good friend Sagan:



But you're right... one needn't travel much further than 30 miles or so before the curvature of the earth ought to become fairly apparent, depending on the topography.

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It would not surprise me to discover the australian aborigines had this figured out long before the greeks. Songlines stretched for hundreds of miles. Did they not? I would think you would just have to be observant and have a little imagination and you would intuit the earth could not be flat. Hard to say. It seems ridiculously obvoius to us, obviously, but I don't know how obvious it should have been to an ancient.


I'm glad you brought up the eclipse of the moon, cos honestly that was what I was really thinking about. I've sat out and watched a few over the years and its obvious.

Anyone whose ever been just far enough offshore that you can't see the beach, but can see the tops of mountains would also be able to work it out if they thought about it.



About the moon being where it is.

The universe is a manifestation of ... for want of a better or even of a semi accurate term, a manifestation of "god". Whatever the fuck that means.

So the universe put it there.

All this speculation about angles and aliens is great, but what is the practical use of it? Really?

You are manufacturing myths, but why, and more importantly how can you use them to, in Tom Waits' words, leave this world better than the way you found that it was?

And honestly, I've spent as few nights watching the moon be eclipsed by the earth. That means pretty much the whole night round a campfire, next to an ancient sacred site that ... even while I've been here functions as an observatory, and an attractor, ie for whatever reason we've ended up out there watching bizarre celestial phenomena that were scheduled, but that we didn't actually know about.

Honestly after those nights, in the pre dawn light its very easy to see that everything out there has been placed exactly where it should be, for some hyper cosmic reason that really has sweet FA to do with us, cept that we can watch it and see the power and beauty of the cycles that enabled us to experience the gift of being alive. And understand that its because of those cycles that we are alive.

But measuring the angles to find the "makers" secret messages or whatever ... seriously its a waste of time. You won't find anything you can't find by simply opening your heart to the world.

Go nuts trying tho, well not literally, but you know, knock yourself out cos I could well be wrong. It certainly wouldn't be the first time.
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Re: Who Parked The Moon?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:24 pm

should read

"....but that we didn't actually know about till we got there looked up and happened to see them."
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Re: Who Parked The Moon?

Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:28 am

Occult Means Hidden wrote:I've read a theory online that is somewhat Icke-inspired, that states that the moon acts as a generator as it orbits the Earth, continually re-charging a type of artificial etheric barrier around the Earth.


Well it's tidal effects supposedly create the dynamo in the core of the earth which maintains our magnetic field.

stefano wrote:Also - if a planet capturing a moon is such a crazy unlikely thing, how come all but two planets have at least one moon?


Or alternatively, why, out of four rocky planets, are we the only one with a sizeable moon? As QI viewers will know, we have more than one moon. But only one big enough to bother about, which is one more than Mars Venus and Mercury put together.
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Re: Who Parked The Moon?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:24 am

I'll never watch QI the same way again now stevo.
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Re: Who Parked The Moon?

Postby crikkett » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:58 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:But measuring the angles to find the "makers" secret messages or whatever ... seriously its a waste of time. You won't find anything you can't find by simply opening your heart to the world.

Go nuts trying tho, well not literally, but you know, knock yourself out cos I could well be wrong. It certainly wouldn't be the first time.


Once upon a time, I was a physics major visiting home from college. My holy-roller mom and I chanced upon a rainbow while shopping one afternoon and I breathlessly told her everything I knew about refraction and the atmospheric conditions that allow a rainbow to form. In all seriousness she turned to me and said, why don't you just appreciate the beauty of God's Promise in the rainbow? Why must you know how everything works?

Joe, you sound like my mom, just there. The answer is that knowing how things work lets us shape the world around us, and the more we know, the better we can do it.

Measuring angles is never a waste of time.
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Re: Who Parked The Moon?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:30 am

Joe, it's useful for permaculture design. And for visual art -- there are applications here. Not disagreeing, just disagreeing.

Anyways. Found this because Moon synchronicity has (logically enough) been off the charts this week. As to why that Moody Blues song has followed me around, too, I'm less sure. The quote below is from The Zelator, by Mark Hedsel. I read it, I enjoyed it, but I also think it's almost wholly a work of fiction. Fascinating one nonetheless, with quite a bit to say about the allegedly "non-fiction" real world. This is from one of many long passages where Hedsel uses his magick recording capabilities to render chapter-length verbatim transcripts of his Ascending Masters holding forth about the esoteric truths they have to offer (in other words, it's a shorter, weirder Atlas Shrugged where essays are delivered by character-catures) but it's all quite relevant:

‘And so now we must look at an esoteric truth which touches on the very edge of what is permissible. What I have to say will be greatly disturbing for many people of modern times. It will disturb, because it is generally taken for granted that clairvoyancy, mediumship and spiritualistic activity are somehow linked with Spiritual development, and consequently of benefit to mankind. Unfortunately, this is far from the truth. A vast amount of our modern so-called “Spiritualist” literature pertains to channelling and clairvoyancy which is far from beneficial for the development of mankind. Indeed, not to mince words, I should tell you that it is distinctly harmful.

‘I must now make a statement which will introduce you to a concept which was, until comparatively recently, one of the deepest secrets of the esoteric Schools: In some ways, the Moon is the greatest problem of esoteric lore. The Moon is not at all what it appears to be.

‘At the end of the last century an astounding revelation was made, as a result of dissent among members of secret Schools. Information, hitherto guarded jealously by the most enclosed of the inner Orders, was made public. The secrets disclosed pertained to a far deeper level of knowledge than has hitherto been made exoteric by the Schools — even in this enlightened age.’

His trace of cynicism seemed to go by unnoticed.

‘Our purpose here is not to document how so deep an esoteric idea was made public — or even to assess whether it was wise for this idea to be brought out into the open. All this has been dealt with in the literature — and if any of you wish to follow this up, I will give you a few titles later.

‘In a nutshell, what was made public during this conflict in the Schools was the truth that our Moon is a sort of counterweight to another sphere,
which remains invisible to ordinary vision. This counterweighted sphere is called in esoteric circles the Eighth Sphere.

‘We must be careful with these words, for, in spite of what I have just said, this region is not itself a sphere, nor is it a moon. Even to locate it behind the physical Moon is not correct, for in the Spiritual realm spaces and distances are different. The truth is that this Eighth Sphere does not pertain to anything we are familiar with on the physical plane, yet we must use words from our own vocabularies whenever we wish to denote its existence. Were we to use a word which fits most appropriately this
Sphere, then we should really call it a vacuum. Certainly, vacuum is a more appropriate term than sphere, for the Eighth Sphere sucks things into its own shadowy existence.

‘This Sphere is lower in the scale of being than the Seventh Sphere (which is the Earth). It acts as a sort of demonic conduit to suck into its maws certain degenerate Spiritual forms on the Earth. It is a shadow Sphere, controlled by shadow beings. However, the fact that they are shadow beings should not lead us to demote or underestimate their capabilities and intelligence. In many respects they are more intelligent than Man, for they are not limited by the power of love, as is Mankind.

‘The operation of this Eighth Sphere is complex. Its denizens — those shadowy beings for whom it is home — wish to people their Sphere with humanity, or (more accurately) with human souls. Towards this end, it has erected what we might call terminals on the Earth: these terminals are soul-conduits, which will suck into the lower Sphere a certain form of materialized Spiritual energy that is engendered on the Earth plane. The most usual circumstances where this materialization or engendering takes place is in seances, and in other localities wherein human beings attempt to meddle — against the cosmic law — with the lower Etheric planes.’


I wince at talk of "spheres and planes," too. Then again, I am precisely the kind of profane soul who necessitated all this esoteric coding in the first place, right? Right. At the same time, I am completely open to the fact there's an entire spectrum of life that's present right in front of us but totally invisible -- humans perceive such a vanishingly small portion of the spectrum I have no doubt there's overlapping ecosystems running all over the place, against us and through us, all the time.

Personifying these ecosystems and their agents, though, I'm a lot more dubious about. I'm willing to admit I'm an evil person for eating meat. But I have no special, morbid, all-consuming interest in cows, they're just a fucking burger. To the poor bastards who process their flesh unto patty format, they're just a paycheck. When I read Ascending Masters talking about these evil and dark energies, all I can think is that they're just hungry.

Just like the billions of bacteria coursing through every inch of our bodies right now.
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Re: Who Parked The Moon?

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:43 am

I had to go to a going away party for a friend last night and my girlfriend got to the front door right as I was walking out. We went up to the apartment to drop her stuff off and then she walked me to the end of the block so that we could look at the harvest moon and Jupiter. I've been randomly feeding her bits of moon trivia all week. We just had out 1 year anniversary and one of our first dates was during the harvest moon last year.
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Re: Who Parked The Moon?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:49 am

Speaking of cognitive biases and human malfunction...I'm doodling around looking up info about Hedsel, waiting for some emails...and I find a discussion of the "Eighth Sphere" and this same passage from LKJ's crew. Here's their completely logical interpretation:

Based on the clues given in The Zelator we must conclude that the Eighth Sphere by definition encompasses all the nonphysical aspects of the Matrix Control System, the service-to-self (STS) hierarchy from top to bottom minus the physical levels of which we ourselves are part.

The Eighth Sphere would therefore include: the lower astral planes where carnal and demonic thoughtforms dwell, the hyperdimensional realms inhabited by so-called reptilian beings, the parasitic etheric lattice overlaying the earth comprising the very tendrils of the Matrix, the soul-pool of which spiritless humans are incarnate extensions, and the demiurgic creature positioned atop the negative occult hierarchy sucking into itself all energy gathered from the “tiers” below.

This interpretation of the Eighth Sphere should be self-evident for those familiar with the works of Rudolf Steiner, Carlos Castaneda, Robert Monroe, Dr. William Baldwin, the Cassiopaean Transcripts, and my articles on the Matrix.


I like this passage for the nakedness of it -- it's like the new age version of Dennis Reynolds from "It's Always Sunny," seeing everything in terms of how it relates to him. Of course, he's funny because he's an exaggerated reflection of ourselves, and I'm surely just as guilty as LKJ and her cyber-disciples of relating all my new input straight into filing system of my own beliefs. I'm really struggling lately with making peace with ignorance, because I remember so much. I'm flattered when people think I'm smart, but it's just recall -- I read a lot and I remember most of it, it's all Other People's Property. At best, I do remix work, but the point I'm trying to make here is that most the "Facts" I build with are probably 99-100% wrong. Like how BF Skinner's daughter killed herself, you know?

Also, who has Margaret Atwood's email? Let's compile the best bits of this thread and send it to her.
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Re: Who Parked The Moon?

Postby barracuda » Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:01 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:Also, who has Margaret Atwood's email? Let's compile the best bits of this thread and send it to her.


You might try to contact Ms. Atwood through her agency, Curtis Brown Group:

Curtis Brown Group Ltd
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Tel: +44 (0)20 7393 4400
Fax: +44 (0)20 7393 4401
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Re: Who Parked The Moon?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:21 pm

Perhaps unnecessary to mention, I am not a member of the Flat Earth Society.

But to throw this out there, doesn't a flat, rectangular object project an arced shadow upon any globe? Such a shadow cast upon the Moon would appear to us as curved, wouldn't it?
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Re: Who Parked The Moon?

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:34 pm

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Even the Greeks knew the world wasn't flat.

Wasn't that a Dark Ages concept?
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Re: Who Parked The Moon?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:11 pm

Do you ever wonder wrote:

(1) Even the Greeks knew the world wasn't flat.

(2) Wasn't that a Dark Ages concept?


The Greeks, while aware the Earth was a globe, had no idea that space was relatively without gravity. Had they been so aware, Atlas would have had the easiest job of all and never would have shrugged.

(2) - So I had thought. Perhaps someone has earlier references to the Earth being flat?
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Re: Who Parked The Moon?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:49 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:Gurdjieff was definitely heavier than anything modern. What a cosmology. I think I managed to make more sense out of Finnegans Wake than I did Beelzebub's Tales.


I couldn't even finish Beezlebub's Tales.

Reading it was like wading through neck deep treacle. It was packed with sweetness but so turgid.
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