"Underground" Group of Cadets Say Air Force Academy Controll

[Sepka]

this building could be quite striking too :

Conceptually, yes. In practice, no. Imagine how grubby those intricate white structures with all their dust-collecting horizontal surfaces are going to be after five or ten years in New York City. It's a design fit for a World's Fair, but not really for a permanent structure.

[sergeant stiletto]

Just inserting this here for consideration:

http://cryptogon.com/?p=17588

Secret Christian Reconstructionist Group Wants to Use Alien Threat to Justify Creation of Dictatorship Based on Old Testament?

Finak Events interview with Nick Redfern:

http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2010/09/f ... -nick.html

Basically speaking, Final Events is a study of a think-tank group comprised of personnel from within the U.S. Government, military and intelligence community that has existed in stealth for a surprisingly long time. The group believes that while the UFO issue is a very real one, they do not believe it has anything to do with literal extraterrestrials.

Rather, the group - which calls itself the Collins Elite - concludes that the "aliens" are, in reality, literal demonic entities that are trying to seduce us with a false lure of supposed alien technology, and to - quite literally - steal and farm our souls. The group claim to have discovered evidence that these demonic entities - that seem to utilize a weird combination of advanced technology and archaic rite and ritual - derive a form of "energy sustenance" from the human soul or life force...

...Yes, they are all Christians, or became Christians after they came to accept the theory. As for their positions, we're largely talking about people in the Intelligence community - and a lot from the DIA in particular - and also Air Force Intelligence. There are a few of the older, original members left, but today, they have allegedly placed their research on-hold, due to a belief that a final battle between good and evil is drawing near, and that the UFO presence will be finally be revealed for what they believe it to be.

The most ominous thing is that there appear to be some people attached to the group who believe that to save the US from what they perceive as a Satanic threat, the US should be placed under a near-martial law situation with the nation ruled by an iron-fist that adheres to Old Testament style teachings and beliefs. I expand greatly on all this in the book.

[zangtang]

thats not scary at all........this is scary :

What if they're right?

[Simulist]

thats not scary at all........this is scary :

What if they're right?

Well, that would be scary.

And I think that's really quite an excellent question. One of the reasons it hasn't been explored more completely is that many of the only people who are inclined to explore it actually believe that mainstream religion offers a solution to the set of problems this question identifies, instead of even worse problems. Unfortunately the latter is the case, in my opinion: mainstream religion usually offers an even bigger set of problems when considering this surprisingly good question.

For example, it seems to me — for a multitude of reasons — that the Evangelical Christianity cult does more to enable whatever "demonic entities" there might be than it does to oppose them.

So even if they've correctly identified the infection, the cure they prescribe is just as deadly as the infection itself.

[zangtang]

well now, you've evidently given it some thought - whereas i tend just to scare the living shit out of myself with worst possible case scenarios.....

or as some of those in the rarified circles of real ufo intel allegedly say: 'What if you could lose more than your life?'

[Wombaticus Rex]

LilyPat, thanks for the heads up on a new Jeff Sharlett book! Hadn't heard of that, looking forward to it.

[Simulist]

well now, you've evidently given it some thought - whereas i tend just to scare the living shit out of myself with worst possible case scenarios.....

or as some of those in the rarified circles of real ufo intel allegedly say: 'What if you could lose more than your life?'

Yes, I've been giving this some thought all my life in fact, ever since I had a series of experiences in childhood that have prompted me to ask these questions. I can see how these questions might even become an obsession for many people who have experienced this.

I don't normally like to apply the word "demonic" only because it conjures up a whole lot of religious baggage that has to be dealt with first, before facing the unvarnished fact that many who have come face-to-face with whatever these things really are often report a palpable malevolence being exuded by them. And raw fear as a result.

Throughout my life I've gone back and forth over this — on the one hand trying to understand what I so unmistakably felt and on the other hand trying to rationalize it away — regarding the question about why these beings exude this malevolence.

One possibility I simply can't dismiss is that they may in fact be malevolent.

[zangtang]

perhaps we could just settle on 'otherworldly'.......

but then, we would be...'just settling'

I've got an article on my (currently inaccessable) laptop from several yrs ago - correlates ufo-ness with (cue drum roll, segue to twiglet zone theme)

the DJINN !

who are apparently, NOT TO BE FUCKED WITH.......
cf alfred k bender(?) - whether he was taking the piss from the get-go or no (undecided, but i believe someone made a case that he and all his works should be wholly discounted) - admonished that anyone encountering such MIB-ness should treat them with the utmost good courtesy......

off to put the new 'mirage men' on my amazon wishlist.........

not to conflate topics here, but i notice vol 2 of Antony Dolans meisterwork is 'currently unavailable' (sold out?) @ amazon uk.......

I know jeff was dead keen on his vol1 - so i got myself a copy - i was impressed as hell - (better word selection needed!) - someone suggested(on this board i believe) - that he (Dolan) now out of favour, or 'selling' the MIC agenda line (tho how you could ascertain that w/out being part therof i dunno)

[crikkett]

Does anybody offhand know of the history of the importance of this chapel, being placed as it is in CO next to the mountains at the Air Force Academy? Because see, there isn't a lot of jet flying around there. I'm from a little north of there and it's not like they're training to be pilots or anything.

The AF Chapel serves the Air Force Academy. All the military academies have their own elaborate chapel. I'm not sure what you were asking...are you asking why the USAFA was established in Colorado?

[Allegro]

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Speaking of military chapels, and music performed during services, and the electronic or magnificent pipe organs played as accompaniment for group singing during those services, I went searching around. I found one of the six chapels at West Point is the Cadet Chapel that houses an organ claimed as the largest in the world. It’s humongous with 23,236 pipes. How’bout that!

But, this isn’t just about the sounds of organs and music and hymn texts, but what all of that could mean when put into a military scenario for young cadets at USAFA. I suppose I shouldn’t have been surprised but I was upon hearing the narration in the promo (below) that included the words divine designer, which by me is interpreted as intelligent design or designer: preferring natural selection, it happened that my ire rose a couple of notches.**

So, fwiw to each reader, I’m just offering the video, the sounds of music in it, the narration, the unsung and, in this case, notable hymn text (also below), all together as one powerful demonstration out of which feelings of strength and bravery could be pondered by many cadets facing combat in a range of mission probabilities: remembering the motto “This We’ll Defend.”

VIDEO NARRATION.

A landmark of the Air Force Academy is its majestic chapel resembling 17 sabers crossed overhead. It stands as an awesome beauty against the backdrop of the mountains behind. … As modern airmen brush wings with infinity, there is an increasing awareness of an ordered universe—a divine designer. The limitless vistas of the space age challenge man’s spiritual resources as well as his technology.

Concertato | Crown Him With Many Crowns, hymn

organ with brass ensemble

Hymn Text | Matthew Bridges b. 1800, and Godfrey Thring, b. 1823
Music | George J. Elvey, b. 1816
Tune | DIADEMATA ( derived from Greek “crowns” )

HYMN TEXT | FIRST VERSE
Crown him with many crowns, the Lamb upon his throne,
Hark! how the heavenly anthem drowns all music but its own.
Awake, my soul, and sing of him who died for thee,
and hail him as thy matchless King through all eternity.

**In other places at RI are posted articles or essays regarding psychological disruptions caused by Christianity’s fundamentalists (and dominionists), some of whom will tend to take governmental and military matters through unbelievable violent phases—always to be considered by the reader the phrase—in the name of Jesus Christ.

Moreover, we observers will have come to remember evangelicals’ unwittingly or wittingly unrestrained want for manipulations of cadets’ feelings of despair, fear and guilt—as sheep who are lost, and have gone astray, and must be saved from eternal damnation, and guided to the flock—especially when evangelicals who will interpret the gospels literally out of a sense of mission and responsibility to their Lord and Savior offer Jesus Christ’s eternal (love and) salvation to unbelievers who may accept that salvation due to unnecessary emotional pressure; and, if rejected, Christians may begin noticeable and predictable behaviors others would for good reason call fanatical. From personal experience with resourceful evangelicals in the music world, some of whom count success in the name of their deity through financial investments, percentages and quotas, IMO, I think that pretty much exposes underpinnings of scenarios likely occurring repeatedly at the USAFA as I have presumed details not mentioned in the original OP.

[Nordic]

Finak Events interview with Nick Redfern:

http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2010/09/f ... -nick.html

Basically speaking, Final Events is a study of a think-tank group comprised of personnel from within the U.S. Government, military and intelligence community that has existed in stealth for a surprisingly long time. The group believes that while the UFO issue is a very real one, they do not believe it has anything to do with literal extraterrestrials.

Rather, the group - which calls itself the Collins Elite - concludes that the "aliens" are, in reality, literal demonic entities that are trying to seduce us with a false lure of supposed alien technology, and to - quite literally - steal and farm our souls. The group claim to have discovered evidence that these demonic entities - that seem to utilize a weird combination of advanced technology and archaic rite and ritual - derive a form of "energy sustenance" from the human soul or life force...

...Yes, they are all Christians, or became Christians after they came to accept the theory. As for their positions, we're largely talking about people in the Intelligence community - and a lot from the DIA in particular - and also Air Force Intelligence. There are a few of the older, original members left, but today, they have allegedly placed their research on-hold, due to a belief that a final battle between good and evil is drawing near, and that the UFO presence will be finally be revealed for what they believe it to be.

The most ominous thing is that there appear to be some people attached to the group who believe that to save the US from what they perceive as a Satanic threat, the US should be placed under a near-martial law situation with the nation ruled by an iron-fist that adheres to Old Testament style teachings and beliefs. I expand greatly on all this in the book.

The scariest thing about this is how much sense it makes, the way it would explain so much. It's almost a unified field theory of everything RI.

The very worst nightmare I ever had in my life ..... involved this sort of thing, and I'm honestly not sure if it was a nightmare. I'm not even sure I should explain it. I may have before, I honestly don't know now.

Basically, in the nightmare, they told me I shouldn't find out too much. I wasn't supposed to find out some of these things. They made it very clear I shouldn't go too far in learning about what's really going on.

[Sounder]

Nordic wrote...

It's almost a unified field theory of everything RI.

Really? Does that mean we are going to all convert to being Christians?

Basically, in the nightmare, they told me I shouldn't find out too much. I wasn't supposed to find out some of these things. They made it very clear I shouldn't go too far in learning about what's really going on.

Perhaps Saaatan was speaking; as the fixed principle. Or to speculate, it’s that unconscious pre-programmed part of you telling your sub-conscious aspect to not, or that it cannot, introduce the (sub-conscious) ‘knowing’ into a conscious model.

Our challenge as humans is to recognize the nature of our programming so that we may then re-write the code.

[Twyla LaSarc]

I've got an article on my (currently inaccessable) laptop from several yrs ago - correlates ufo-ness with (cue drum roll, segue to twiglet zone theme)

the DJINN !

who are apparently, NOT TO BE FUCKED WITH.......

I have been fascinated by the Djinn ever since reading Tim Power's 'Declare'. Internet searches have brought me little other than wikis and people claiming to be selling bottled Djinn for hundreds of dollars.

If you recall anymore about the article, I'd love to hear it.

[Simulist]

I've got an article on my (currently inaccessable) laptop from several yrs ago - correlates ufo-ness with (cue drum roll, segue to twiglet zone theme)

the DJINN !

who are apparently, NOT TO BE FUCKED WITH.......

I have been fascinated by the Djinn ever since reading Tim Power's 'Declare'. Internet searches have brought me little other than wikis and people claiming to be selling bottled Djinn for hundreds of dollars.

If you recall anymore about the article, I'd love to hear it.

You both might actually be quite interested in this.

A thought-provoking point of view, if nothing else.

[Twyla LaSarc]

Thank you simulist, bookmarked for later perusal!

PS, I guess I should have tried alternate spellings, duh.