King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:53 pm

Well.

As they say a little knowledge can be dangerous. I've always marvelled at the grab-bag of half-understood occultic wares that can wind up as one man's feast.

I can't pull just one detail out of that for absurdities sake. Well yeah I can.

Oswald's is similarly weird. Oswald was literally butchered in the "postmortem examination." Pieces were actually cut out of his body. The major incision in his torso resembled a huge "Y" which ran from the area of his groin to the solar plexus region. From there incisions were made to the right and left armpits. The so-called "two horns of the letter Y" supposedly symbolize the paths of virtue and vice: the right branch leading to the former and the left to the latter.


Most autopsies, especially considering Oswald was gut-shot, employ that y-shape, heck we used cut that in biology whilst dissecting god's own innocent creatures for a grade. If it was ragged or sloppy, blame the surgeon. Pieces are removed all the time, at least they are in crime shows. Oswald did meet foul play after all. Bullshit sensationalism. I can make as much hay about them symbolizing the pillars of the tree of life and get all kabbalah on ya- or find the symbolism in a y-shaped rune. Dosen't change the fact that autopsies look like that for reasons of practicality, not symbolism.

The names "Shakespeare" and "Three Sisters" find a connection in the tragedy Macbeth which comprises such a large part of JFK assassination imagery.

How? Pray, do elaborate. Did Jackie help kill Eisenhower and his servants? Did Nixon have to flee to exile while his children were killed? Was Diem Banquo? I have read this damn play back to front, have torn it apart with other actors in the course of performing it, I would just LOVE to see the contortions one would have to squirm thru to link it to the life of Kennedy. However, with this one quick paragraph we are supposed to nod in aquisensce, remembering vaguely that boring play we read in high-school where a bunch of people get killed including the king in the end. Oh, and there were witches too (nude witches if your teacher showed you the Polanski movie...witches, Polanski ZOMG! I've mansoned the thread! I'm so surprised the OP authors didn't think of it first...).

Most of this is utter crap. There might be some reality to it, but sifting that from the idiocy would be tiring and the work for someone with a meaner spirit than my own...I have to admit to loving the "Sword of Horus" Frater Kelly when he tears apart the drivel of Kenneth Grant (who uses quite the same contortions of language, numbers and mythos as the authors of the OP to come to HIS own conclusions about the secret nature of the world ...http://www.gmkelly.com/grant1.html... warning, Kelly is a thelemite with his own agenda, but his takedown of Grant is hilarious and informative of the ways occultic sybolism is distorted in the service of dumbassery).

I think I'll step back now and let the number guys hash this one out. :eeyaa
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby yathrib » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:01 pm

Word up, as the kids used to say in 1995. When I first read this back in 1987 or so (Apocalypse Culture), I'm ashamed I didn't catch on to the ugliness. I just thought Downard was like a real life Illuminatus! character. But even racism or antisemitism doesn't describe it. It's basically anti everything. If you really took this stuff seriously, you would do what Downard did (and I still have doubts as to whether he was a real person) and lock yourself in a double wide with your gun collection. It's really sad how every two bit conspiratorial fundy hack now follows a dumbed down (yes, it is possible) Downardian schema for analyzing Lady Gaga, Jay Z, etc. It stopped being fun pretty fast.


nathan28 wrote:Ah, this really brings back the memories, or the brain-damage where there are supposed to be memories. *Now* here is a Real Conspiracy Theorist, a dude too crazy, too racist, too antisemitic and too anti-gov't for even the John Birchers to accept him, not this watered-down stepchild "Reptilians cause chemtrails, no, by reptilians I do not mean 'Jews', honestly" crap. Bo Gritz ain't got shit on this dude, and it's taken most of the past ten years for Lyndon LaRouche to even start to get close to what this guy was saying. This is the straight, unadulterated*, hate-fueled Satanic Panic paranoia at its purest. The difference between David Icke and Downard is like the difference between 3.25% beer (Q:"Why do Americans drink beer so cold?" A:"So they can tell it apart from rat piss") and bathtub corn whiskey with the toxic methanol streaks still floating in it. One makes you piss a lot, the other causes throat cancer and blindness. After reading James Shelby Downard articles when I was 14, it took me more than a decade and about two serious recessions to get it out of my head.


*well, there are questions about how much Hoffman edited and wrote.

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg60542.html
http://www.whale.to/b/downard_h.html
http://old.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id17/pg1/index.html
http://www.disinfo.com/2007/12/making-manifest-all-that-is-hidden/
http://www.disinfo.com/2007/12/masonic-assassins-and-alchemical-rites-out-there-radio-episode-3/
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=24194&p=269495
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23839&p=263420
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23775&p=262757
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23784&p=262485
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23554&p=258899
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22039&p=237931
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=18005&p=189952
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15505&p=158308
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10977&p=107653
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9716&p=94215
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8938&p=93373
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9371&p=91953


etc.
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby yathrib » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:05 pm

Chris Knowles of Secret Sun on just this very sort of thing:

http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2010/10/new-normal.html

Radical Christian Fundamentalists like James Shelby Downard, Milton William Cooper, Texe Marrs, Fritz Springmeier, Michael A. Hoffman and countless others predated all of the Da Vinci Code's and the Last Templar's and planted all of those seeds that are growing into magickal beanstalks as I write. (At the same time, the Nation of Islam and sects like the Nuwabians were disseminating some of the same information in the inner cities.)

Their goal was simple- they were out to find strawmen and scapegoats to blame modernism and secularism and liberalism on. It couldn't possibly be that their ideas were tried and found wanting - or that the white working class they sprung from was being systematically sold out by the global corporate interests they unwittingly acted as apologists for - it had to be some powerful cabal behind it all.

Old church lady rants against an obscure, extremist Masonic splinter group called the Illuminati were dusted off and brought up to date and the legend continues to grow. (Of course the most dastardly Illuminists are those who question this overheated exegesis, or point out the countless logical fallacies wielded like chainsaws in lieu of actual research.)

A lot of the energy to this culture came from the Cold War, especially the second wave of anti-Communism black budgeting that brought huge amounts of untraceable cash into the 80s militia/gun show subculture that popularized the work of people like Cooper.
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:14 pm

Twyla LaSarc wrote:I can't pull just one detail out of that for absurdities sake. Well yeah I can.

Oswald's is similarly weird. Oswald was literally butchered in the "postmortem examination." Pieces were actually cut out of his body. The major incision in his torso resembled a huge "Y" which ran from the area of his groin to the solar plexus region. From there incisions were made to the right and left armpits. The so-called "two horns of the letter Y" supposedly symbolize the paths of virtue and vice: the right branch leading to the former and the left to the latter.


Most autopsies, especially considering Oswald was gut-shot, employ that y-shape, heck we used cut that in biology whilst dissecting god's own innocent creatures for a grade. If it was ragged or sloppy, blame the surgeon. Pieces are removed all the time, at least they are in crime shows. Oswald did meet foul play after all. Bullshit sensationalism. I can make as much hay about them symbolizing the pillars of the tree of life and get all kabbalah on ya- or find the symbolism in a y-shaped rune. Dosen't change the fact that autopsies look like that for reasons of practicality, not symbolism.


The common Y-incision for autopsies is so well-known and disseminated in the mass media through CSI programs that the passage cannot be a mistake. It's mockery pitched to a theoretical reader so dumb as to take it seriously, or if you prefer, "revelation of the method." These guys must be so frustrated that Glenn Beck makes that kind of money and they don't.

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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:22 pm

JackRiddler wrote:These guys must be so frustrated that Glenn Beck makes that kind of money and they don't.


Downard died awhile ago. Hoffman, unfortunately, abides to this day.
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby yathrib » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:34 pm

Twyla, I would dearly love to read Kelly on Grant, but the link is dead. Is there any other way I could get it? EDIT: Never mind, I put the URL in teh Wayback Machine and found all seven parts.

Twyla LaSarc wrote:I have to admit to loving the "Sword of Horus" Frater Kelly when he tears apart the drivel of Kenneth Grant (who uses quite the same contortions of language, numbers and mythos as the authors of the OP to come to HIS own conclusions about the secret nature of the world ...http://www.gmkelly.com/grant1.html... warning, Kelly is a thelemite with his own agenda, but his takedown of Grant is hilarious and informative of the ways occultic sybolism is distorted in the service of dumbassery).

I think I'll step back now and let the number guys hash this one out. :eeyaa
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:38 pm

yathrib wrote:Twyla, I would dearly love to read Kelly on Grant, but the link is dead. Is there any other way I could get it?


Yeah, just remove the two dots.

http://www.gmkelly.com/grant1.html

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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby nathan28 » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:39 pm

I don't think Bill Cooper belongs on the list Knowles gives, b/c Cooper is a different sort of animal, one I think it's fair to speculate was aware of actual far-right criminal conspiracies of the Tim McVeigh variety.

Adam Gorightly wrote a biography, and he concluded that Downard was a real person who actually did write most of what's attributed to him, using Hoffman as an unnamed co-author and editor. IIRC Gorightly at some point suggested that even Hoffman found some of the material too offensive.

Word up, as the kids used to say in 1995. When I first read this back in 1987 or so (Apocalypse Culture), I'm ashamed I didn't catch on to the ugliness. I just thought Downard was like a real life Illuminatus! character. But even racism or antisemitism doesn't describe it. It's basically anti everything.


Exactly. I'm amazed by how retarded I was to miss all that crap.
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:42 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:.....
Hoffman, unfortunately, abides to this day.

This Hoffman's name is on wild disinfo because of Ed Hoffman. Gee, have I ever mentioned...you know.

Ed Hoffman was witness to the shooters behind the fence at Dealey Plaza.
But he was a deaf mute and couldn't get his message through.

Ed Hoffman was interviewed by Mark Lane for his 1966 documentary, 'Rush to Judgement,' with Ed's daughter doing the translation of sign language.


The 45th anniversary of Dealey Plaza in 2008 gave us this CIA-Hollywood decoy movie, 'Body of Lies'-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_of_Lies_(film)

Russell Crowe as Edward "Ed" Hoffman, a manipulative CIA boss who teams with Ferris
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:44 pm

So where did Ed Hoffman get the name from? Probably a KWH on Albert Hoffman, right?

I guess this also explains the careers of Dustin Hoffman and Philip Seymour Hoffman, too?
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:44 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:
yathrib wrote:Twyla, I would dearly love to read Kelly on Grant, but the link is dead. Is there any other way I could get it?


Yeah, just remove the two dots.

http://www.gmkelly.com/grant1.html

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Best to copy and paste into wordpad. That's what I do. :)

PS, all of this was originally in freaking tripod or one of the old school webpages. I don't think Mr Kelly is much for updating. Or manners. But that is another thing altogether...
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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby nathan28 » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:06 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:So where did Ed Hoffman get the name from?


"Hoffman" is semantic equivalency for Hoof-Man and the German -hof. Hoof-man uses linguistic equivalency technologies to conflate Hoffman with the Hoofed Man, the devil, causes obedience-fear dopaminergic driving designed to prevent further investigation through mixed pleasure-fear: approach-avoidance NLP double-bind. -hof recalls images of Bahnhof, train station, causing pattern-seeking heuristical thought to fix on the closest near-likeness, the famous Triple Overpass. The Triple Overpass, which was built by CIA-Media, creates the same near-likeness effect to semantic prime acceptance of the Warren "Three Bullets" Theory, which then combines with the "magical" devil-associations in Hoof-Man to prime acceptance of the Magic Bullet Theory by the Commission.

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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby sunny » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:14 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:
yathrib wrote:Twyla, I would dearly love to read Kelly on Grant, but the link is dead. Is there any other way I could get it?


Yeah, just remove the two dots.

http://www.gmkelly.com/grant1.html

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I'd love to read it but it's making my eyes go buggy.

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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby nathan28 » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:22 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:Philip Seymour Hoffman


Cruel CIA-Media in-joke on deaf-mute. Seymour = "Say More, Hoffman". Chew 'bacca, rookie.

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Re: King-Kill 33: Masonic Symbolism in JFK assassination

Postby norton ash » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:27 pm

Hof, hof... Hofstadter! Gesundheit.

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