The Wikileaks Question

[nathan28]

One last thing I just heard, Michael Moore is trying to bail Assange out.

If I wasn't misreading the stories he already has surety and enough pledges to cover, but his bail has been challenged by Sweden despite the terms that included a lo-jack and curfew, hence the delay.

[thatsmystory]

As always, certainty is lacking.

What an outrageous thing to say.

yeah I know, I'm really going out on a limb there

Strangely enough you are. Uncertainty is so unseemly.

[The Consul]

One last thing I just heard, Michael Moore is trying to bail Assange out.

initial spin on apparent 20,000 pounds forwarded by Flint native
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/12/bailing_out_assange_what_was_m.html

[justdrew]

As always, certainty is lacking.

What an outrageous thing to say.

yeah I know, I'm really going out on a limb there

Strangely enough you are. Uncertainty is so unseemly.

well, I am sometimes uncertain of my uncertainty, certainly

[The Hacktivist]

One last thing I just heard, Michael Moore is trying to bail Assange out.

If I wasn't misreading the stories he already has surety and enough pledges to cover, but his bail has been challenged by Sweden despite the terms that included a lo-jack and curfew, hence the delay.

Thanks for that Nathan.

[Plutonia]

Fixed

That is it exactly, there are so many people involved in the group that there is no way information, any information, could get past the Sea organization, the reach is mind boggling when you get up close and personal and really see how it works from the inside, believe me, if the Sea organizationwants information on anyone they will get it one way or another.

You need to understand that this concept that Anonymous is a bunch of pimple faced teenagers hacking in to websites for shits and giggles isnt true, Anonymous is made up of doctors, lawyers, accountants, graduate students, engineers, we have a wide variety of professionals who are members and of course we dont all now eachother, its a very loose-knit organization of which there is no real- organization at all, there are various places on the net where we look for particular messages that are sent out to all of us to go and do this or that and that is when we all move together as a unit and do our thing. There is no leadership or anything like that but I can tell you that these arent your typical little 4chan rejects youre dealing with anymoree, it once was exactly that but many of us strived ot make it better and more professional and in the process we drew a lot of very intelligent, skilled, highly ETHICAL and motivated people in to the cause and that is what it is today.

I am just here to chat like anyone else but when I see peopel saying things about the Sea org that are clearly not true I need to correct that, especially now when the org is being villified and made out to be something other than what it is.


Above all else we care about human rights and protecting them for all people no matter who they are or where they live, when we see abuse of those rights or corruption among those who are charged with protecting those rights, WE WILL EXPOSE IT AND WE WILL DO SO IN A WAY THAT WILL MAKE YOU THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU DO IT AGAIN.

Haha! Sorry Hack - the fit was just too perfect! Unbelievably! I couldn't resist!

Keep up the good work!

[compared2what?]

Hello compared2what?, nice to see you.

Hi! Thanks.

[Ben D]

...there are posters on this forum who are spreading rightwing media filth that is largely and disgustingly anti-semitic on its face...

What? I beseech you, in the tiny duodenum of the little newborn baby Jesus, think it possible you may be mistaken.

Cuda, as a moderator here and given the rest of the sentence from which you quoted..."and they are using this fascist propaganda to try and destroy Mr. Assange and his child, Wikileaks, but to their surpirse, they are not succeeding because they are being taken out faster than they can get back up and running., I was wondering if you can help clarify for me exactly what The Hactivist is implying here?

Sorry if I'm obtuse.

[barracuda]

I was wondering if you can help clarify for me exactly what The Hactivist is implying here?

Ah, would that I could, Ben. I'm working under the assumption that he feels there are those who are being unduly harsh with their judgement and castigation of Teh WikiLaek, and perhaps in his haste to present his own ideas on the matter had mistakenly interpreted some posts of our fair membership as implying a worldwide Israeli plot in control of the US government and beyond, as well as incorrectly discerned a tendency toward agreement with certain exact points which have been put forward by our government and their supporters in what appear on the surface to be attempts to interrupt the abilities of Assange & Co. in their quest to perform the werldz biggist Cy Op since the Catholic Church. But it's really just a guess, as he is a new poster, and I have yet to fully inculcate worldviews within the administration nexus regarding his status.

And, as you might suspect, such an assertion - god knows from whence it came! - hovers dangerously near to contravention of the posting guidelines regarding insinuations of disinformation, which I recommend The Hacktivist read and take to his bosom. Though I'm not sure it actually oversteps those bounds, per se, and thus the lack of real urgency with regards to a more formal public cautioning by the moderator staff. He may just be fishing for a response. It's happened before, or so I've heard.

However, thank you for pointing it out, and, as a further reminder, fascist tendencies and anti-semitism are generally unwelcome here, so do let us know if you encounter such, or are confronted with any other statements which might seem tainted, however faintly, by the unanswerable charge of disinfo.

[JackRiddler]

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Wow! I've been busy all day with other things, running into people in real land who also wanted to talk about this stuff, and checking in now to see how it's developed. I had accumulated a bunch of new dispatches to post but not today. This discussion is amazing, I wish we were all having it at a r/l party. Um, symposium. Seminar. Roundtable. Seriously. Everyone seems to be trying out new angles. It's the salutary effect of having c2w? about, perhaps.

I'm not going to be terribly coherent at this time. I just want to say how happy I am to see c2w? here for a round (which I could repeat a few times) and how interesting the exchanges are involving the newly registered hacktivist. Also, plutonia.

Crazy thought. What would happen if this place were one day, soon and suddenly, bigger than DU? How the hell would Jeff and his faithful volunteers handle that?

And go to bed. I will enjoy that.

Goodnight all.

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[Ben D]

Thanks Cuda, glad you are on the case,.... perhaps Anonymous could be another psyops...

[AlicetheKurious]

...there are posters on this forum who are spreading rightwing media filth that is largely and disgustingly anti-semitic on its face...

What? I beseech you, in the tiny duodenum of the little newborn baby Jesus, think it possible you may be mistaken.

Cuda, as a moderator here and given the rest of the sentence from which you quoted..."and they are using this fascist propaganda to try and destroy Mr. Assange and his child, Wikileaks, but to their surpirse, they are not succeeding because they are being taken out faster than they can get back up and running., I was wondering if you can help clarify for me exactly what The Hactivist is implying here?

Sorry if I'm obtuse.

Yeah, well, I just had an interesting experience for an hour or so. When I tried to post or save or preview anything, I got the message, "This post does not exist." Nothing like that has ever happened to me before. In fact, this post is a test to see if it was only a temporary glitch or an illustration of what our new friend Hacktivist meant.

On edit: Yay! So, Oh! All-Knowing Hacktivist, I'd like to issue a little challenge: what can you find out about me that I haven't already posted on RI? Or, since I'm the only one who'd really know whether you were right or wrong, can you give us any evidence of the incredible feats that you can perform, other than the hot air from your big mouth?

[The Hacktivist]

Fixed

That is it exactly, there are so many people involved in the group that there is no way information, any information, could get past the Sea organization, the reach is mind boggling when you get up close and personal and really see how it works from the inside, believe me, if the Sea organizationwants information on anyone they will get it one way or another.

You need to understand that this concept that Anonymous is a bunch of pimple faced teenagers hacking in to websites for shits and giggles isnt true, Anonymous is made up of doctors, lawyers, accountants, graduate students, engineers, we have a wide variety of professionals who are members and of course we dont all now eachother, its a very loose-knit organization of which there is no real- organization at all, there are various places on the net where we look for particular messages that are sent out to all of us to go and do this or that and that is when we all move together as a unit and do our thing. There is no leadership or anything like that but I can tell you that these arent your typical little 4chan rejects youre dealing with anymoree, it once was exactly that but many of us strived ot make it better and more professional and in the process we drew a lot of very intelligent, skilled, highly ETHICAL and motivated people in to the cause and that is what it is today.

I am just here to chat like anyone else but when I see peopel saying things about the Sea org that are clearly not true I need to correct that, especially now when the org is being villified and made out to be something other than what it is.


Above all else we care about human rights and protecting them for all people no matter who they are or where they live, when we see abuse of those rights or corruption among those who are charged with protecting those rights, WE WILL EXPOSE IT AND WE WILL DO SO IN A WAY THAT WILL MAKE YOU THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU DO IT AGAIN.

Haha! Sorry Hack - the fit was just too perfect! Unbelievably! I couldn't resist!

Keep up the good work!

OH NOW THATS HITTING BELOW THE BELT!! HEHE


I DID SET THAT UP NICELY THOUGH DIDNT I? lol

[The Hacktivist]

...there are posters on this forum who are spreading rightwing media filth that is largely and disgustingly anti-semitic on its face...

What? I beseech you, in the tiny duodenum of the little newborn baby Jesus, think it possible you may be mistaken.

I was merely pointing out what Jack and Nathan had pointed out in so many words earlier in the thread but since I am thenewbie my post caught the attention of some (Jeff Wells PMed me about it as well to clarify).

They said the same many pages back and I confirmed that I saw it also.

[The Hacktivist]

...there are posters on this forum who are spreading rightwing media filth that is largely and disgustingly anti-semitic on its face...

What? I beseech you, in the tiny duodenum of the little newborn baby Jesus, think it possible you may be mistaken.

Cuda, as a moderator here and given the rest of the sentence from which you quoted..."and they are using this fascist propaganda to try and destroy Mr. Assange and his child, Wikileaks, but to their surpirse, they are not succeeding because they are being taken out faster than they can get back up and running., I was wondering if you can help clarify for me exactly what The Hactivist is implying here?

Sorry if I'm obtuse.

Yeah, well, I just had an interesting experience for an hour or so. When I tried to post or save or preview anything, I got the message, "This post does not exist." Nothing like that has ever happened to me before. In fact, this post is a test to see if it was only a temporary glitch or an illustration of what our new friend Hacktivist meant.

On edit: Yay! So, Oh! All-Knowing Hacktivist, I'd like to issue a little challenge: what can you find out about me that I haven't already posted on RI? Or, since I'm the only one who'd really know whether you were right or wrong, can you give us any evidence of the incredible feats that you can perform, other than the hot air from your big mouth?

........


It is an unethical use of the skill to use it in the way you suggest but I have no problem offering a taste now and then just so you know this is not a
game, arg, psy op or otherwise, it is real and real things can be made to happen, glitches among them.

I simply came here to tell you that Mr. Assange is real, Wikileaks is real and Wikileaks is NOT Israel (big eye roll here).


Keep in mind I am on your side, I too want the truth, I just
have at my disposal easier ways of finding it than most do. But its not magic or mystery, just hard work and learning how things operate at the protocol level.

As one may say, its the scripts, stupid.