Astroturf libertarians a threat to internet democracy

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Astroturf libertarians a threat to internet democracy

Postby wintler2 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:36 pm

Moderate article with some good cites, has relevance for every discussion board including this one.

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e27233.htm
These Astroturf Libertarians are the Real Threat to Internet Democracy

As I see in threads on my articles, the online sabotaging of intelligent debate seems organised. We must fight to save this precious gift

By George Monbiot

January 10, 2011 "The Guardian" -- They are the online equivalent of enclosure riots: the rick-burning, fence-toppling protests by English peasants losing their rights to the land. When MasterCard, Visa, PayPal and Amazon tried to shut WikiLeaks out of the cyber-commons, an army of hackers responded by trying to smash their way into these great estates and pull down their fences. In the WikiLeaks punch-up the commoners appear to have the upper hand. But it's just one battle. There's a wider cyberwar being fought, of which you hear much less. And in most cases the landlords, with the help of a mercenary army, are winning.

I'm not talking here about threats to net neutrality and the danger of a two-tier internet developing, though these are real. I'm talking about the daily attempts to control and influence content in the interests of the state and corporations: attempts in which money talks.

The weapon used by both state and corporate players is a technique known as astroturfing. An astroturf campaign is one that mimics spontaneous grassroots mobilisations but which has in reality been organised. Anyone writing a comment piece in Mandarin critical of the Chinese government, for instance, is likely to be bombarded with abuse by people purporting to be ordinary citizens, upset by the slurs against their country.

But many of them aren't upset: they are members of the 50 Cent Party, so-called because one Chinese government agency pays five mao (half a yuan) for every post its tame commenters write. Teams of these sock-puppets are hired by party leaders to drown out critical voices and derail intelligent debates.

I first came across online astroturfing in 2002, when the investigators Andy Rowell and Jonathan Matthews looked into a series of comments made by two people calling themselves Mary Murphy and Andura Smetacek. They had launched ferocious attacks, across several internet forums, against a scientist whose research suggested that Mexican corn had been widely contaminated by GM pollen.

Rowell and Matthews found that one of the messages Mary Murphy had sent came from a domain owned by the Bivings Group, a PR company specialising in internet lobbying. An article on the Bivings website explained that "there are some campaigns where it would be undesirable or even disastrous to let the audience know that your organisation is directly involved … Message boards, chat rooms, and listservs are a great way to anonymously monitor what is being said. Once you are plugged into this world, it is possible to make postings to these outlets that present your position as an uninvolved third party."

The Bivings site also quoted a senior executive from the biotech corporation Monsanto, thanking the PR firm for its "outstanding work". When a Bivings executive was challenged by Newsnight, he admitted that the "Mary Murphy" email was sent by someone "working for Bivings" or "clients using our services". Rowell and Matthews then discovered that the IP address on Andura Smetacek's messages was assigned to Monsanto's headquarters in St Louis, Missouri. There's a nice twist to this story. AstroTurf TM – real fake grass – was developed and patented by Monsanto.

Reading comment threads on the Guardian's sites and elsewhere on the web, two patterns jump out at me. The first is that discussions of issues in which there's little money at stake tend to be a lot more civilised than debates about issues where companies stand to lose or gain billions: such as climate change, public health and corporate tax avoidance. These are often characterised by amazing levels of abuse and disruption.

Articles about the environment are hit harder by such tactics than any others. I love debate, and I often wade into the threads beneath my columns. But it's a depressing experience, as instead of contesting the issues I raise, many of those who disagree bombard me with infantile abuse, or just keep repeating a fiction, however often you discredit it. This ensures that an intelligent discussion is almost impossible – which appears to be the point.

The second pattern is the strong association between this tactic and a certain set of views: pro-corporate, anti-tax, anti-regulation. Both traditional conservatives and traditional progressives tend to be more willing to discuss an issue than these rightwing libertarians, many of whom seek to shut down debate.

So what's going on? I'm not suggesting that most of the people trying to derail these discussions are paid to do so, though I would be surprised if none were. I'm suggesting that some of the efforts to prevent intelligence from blooming seem to be organised, and that neither website hosts nor other commenters know how to respond.

For his film (Astro)Turf Wars, Taki Oldham secretly recorded a training session organised by a rightwing libertarian group called American Majority. The trainer, Austin James, was instructing Tea Party members on how to "manipulate the medium". This is what he told them: "Here's what I do. I get on Amazon; I type in 'Liberal books'. I go through and I say 'one star, one star, one star'. The flipside is you go to a conservative/ libertarian whatever, go to their products and give them five stars … This is where your kids get information: Rotten Tomatoes, Flixster. These are places where you can rate movies. So when you type in 'Movies on healthcare', I don't want Michael Moore's to come up, so I always give it bad ratings. I spend about 30 minutes a day, just click, click, click, click … If there's a place to comment, a place to rate, a place to share information, you have to do it. That's how you control the online dialogue and give our ideas a fighting chance."



Over 75% of the funding for American Majority comes from the Sam Adams Alliance. In 2008, the year in which American Majority was founded, 88% of the alliance's money came from a single donation, of $3.7m. A group that trains rightwing libertarians to distort online democratic processes was, in other words, set up with funding from a person or company with a very large wallet.

The internet is a remarkable gift, which has granted us one of the greatest democratic opportunities since universal suffrage. We're in danger of losing this global commons as it comes under assault from an army of trolls and flacks, many of them covertly organised or trained. The question for all of us – the Guardian, other websites, and everyone who benefits from this resource – is what we intend to do about it. It's time we fought back and reclaimed the internet for what it does best: exploring issues, testing ideas, opening the debate.

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I'm interested in how to deal with the bullshitters: on public pages, some moderating of comments seem to be best defence (e.g. theoildrum.com, realclimate.org). Here on RI, we do it the very long winded and labour intensive way, which doesn't always work, and never for long when it does. The "no disinfo agent accusations" rule here seems to have morphed into "no labelling at all of propagandists", which is naive disarmament, imho.
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Re: Astroturf libertarians a threat to internet democracy

Postby wintler2 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:54 pm

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/ ... ill-letter\
s-penc-2009-08-06
( http://preview.tinyurl.com/458znoe )

Were anti-climate bill letters penciled in coal?
By Lynne Peeples | Aug 6, 2009 07:15 PM

A coal industry advocacy group has acknowledged that a contractor it
hired later subcontracted a D.C.-based lobbying firm that then fired off
a dozen falsified letters to congressional offices, pressuring a "nay"
vote on a climate bill, The New York Times reported this week. The
forged notes--designed to appear as if written by members of nonprofit
groups--arrived before votes were cast on major clean energy
legislation; the House narrowly approved the bill on June 26.

[ continued...]
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:49 pm

Hmmm, cheers.
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Postby stickdog99 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:05 am

This is an interesting topic.

I have noted that it is much easier on internet forums to discuss potential political malfeasance reasonably and rationally than it is to discuss potential corporate malfeasance.
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Postby freemason9 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:12 am

libertarians are whacky
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Postby elfismiles » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:18 pm

pfft ... "libertarian" astroturf ... as if this weren't being done by ALL corners of the political-prostitution sprectrum.
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Postby Searcher08 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:50 pm

elfismiles wrote:pfft ... "libertarian" astroturf ... as if this weren't being done by ALL corners of the political-prostitution sprectrum.


Precisely, useless crap describing tactics used since the web and politics first intersected.
Monbiot is so useless when he leaves his little green windowbox.
The level of iron-y delivered by him, wearing the "Holy Monbiot cloak of
free debate' (*) I personally find deeply hilarious. Just when I think Sarah Palin is cornering the 'Market for Teh Stoopid', along comes Monbiot with an aggressive attempt at re-capturing market share :mrgreen:













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Use of "The Cloak of Free debate" is subject to approval by G. Monbiot.
It is to be encouraged as long as it occurs within parameters laid down by
Chairman Monbiot - and anyone who disagrees is obviously a "bullshitter" who represents a threat to our democracy and that we must fight against.
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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:59 pm

wintler2 wrote:I'm interested in how to deal with the bullshitters: on public pages, some moderating of comments seem to be best defence (e.g. theoildrum.com, realclimate.org). Here on RI, we do it the very long winded and labour intensive way, which doesn't always work, and never for long when it does. The "no disinfo agent accusations" rule here seems to have morphed into "no labelling at all of propagandists", which is naive disarmament, imho.


A few obvious propagandists have been here, but really it's debatable whether they do more damage (I said: debatable) than the false accusations of disinfo agenthood (which are among the tools in the disinfo agent box).

It may sound like a powerless formality but I think it would be a start to have a rule made clear to all new members (on this and any political discussion board) that people must announce themselves when they join or post at the request of a lobby, corporate PR wing, government agency, ARG or other third party with an interest in the issues on which they post, whether they do so for pay or otherwise (or when they post on a subject on which they have an obvious material conflict of interest).

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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:20 pm

Searcher08 wrote:Monbiot is so useless when he leaves his little green windowbox.


LMFAO...I like so much of the guy's work but at the same time I have to totally agree with that.
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Postby 23 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:29 pm

Ah, another strategically erroneous conflation between right wing libertarianism and the Tea Party.

The libertarians I know more accurately match the description here:

http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... party.html

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"When I attended the American Humanist Association convention, with a much smaller audience, I found far more libertarians than I expected. I was surprised and would have estimated that 20% of the audience was libertarian. At the Atheist International conference with Richard Dawkins I again got the sense that around a quarter of the audience was libertarian oriented. Michael Shermer and I were discussing the matter and he said his sense of such events were that one-quarter to one-third were libertarian."

And when Ralph recently discussed a coalition of libertarians and progressives (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/prog ... lph-nader/), I doubt that he was referring to the more accurately described right wing reactionaries.
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Postby Simulist » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:41 pm

23 wrote:And when Ralph recently discussed a coalition of libertarians and progressives (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/prog ... lph-nader/), I doubt that he was referring to the more accurately described right wing reactionaries.

These developments should be interesting to watch over the next few months.

The Republican-Democrat pinball machine — in which the people get to play the pinball — is a bruising and futile way for ordinary citizens to participate in politics. Something new is worth considering.

The article you linked to, above, may also prove to be important:

Nader: Progressive-libertarian alliance ‘the most exciting new political dynamic’ in US

Prepare for the rise of libertarian progressives.

That was the message earlier in the week from trends analyst Gerald Celente, who predicted that the rapid acceleration of wealth into the coffers of the ultra-rich would drive a global youth resistance movement in 2011 and reformat long-held political boundaries.

And then there were two.

Longtime American politics gadfly Ralph Nader, a man of many ideas almost diametrically opposed by most libertarian conservatives, said Wednesday that he sees a coming convergence of liberals, progressives and libertarian conservatives in the wake of a worsening financial crisis and dogged partisanship that's put the government into gridlock.

Speaking to Fox Business's libertarian host Judge Napolitano, Nader called these shifting alliances "the most exciting new political dynamic" in the US today.

Nader has long been an advocate of overturning "corporate personhood": an oft' criticized legal principle that treats massive organizations with vast stores of wealth as individuals under the law.

So how will this left-right alliance begin?

Nader suggested that it already has, thanks to the unity of Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), the most conservative and most liberal members of their respective chambers. They've teamed up to propose cuts to the US defense budget, which has long been by far the largest sector of America's annual budget, and to push a more thorough audit of the Federal Reserve, the private central bank which controls America's currency.


Republicans, who were elected to a majority in the House of Representatives on promises to cut government spending, promised to cut $100 billion from the budget in their first year. Relatively few have proposed significant decreases in defense spending, and GOP leadership has outright dismissed the possibility. Some prominent members of the House GOP caucus have even suggested the sum of their austerity measures could fall to only $30 billion, if that.

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Postby stickdog99 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:41 pm

deep politics is where the far left meets the far right
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Postby Jeff » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:12 pm

stickdog99 wrote:deep politics is where the far left meets the far right


Walking in opposite directions. I say top o' the mornin' to ya and keep walking.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:39 pm

It really shits me the way leftist people people conflate the term "right wing libertarian" with anything they don't like. Its a stupid use of language.

I think a more useful one would be "corporate faux libertarian". Cos that is what Monbiot is talking about and it is a serious issue. These people are dicks and they are certainly not interested in a discussion. They are interested in poisoning discussions that raise issues about their employers profit margins. But that rarely happens in a place like this. Usually it is the comments section of msm blogs/papers (Or the twitter feeds of certain anti corporate types,) because thats where the court of public opinion gets told what to think. And it does happen - you can see it.
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Postby 23 » Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:32 am

I prefer a different moniker for them, if I had to scratch the itch of assigning one: conservative authoritarians.

They exude angst and anger towards private corporations, but they overlook the largest, current corporatist entity of all: the federal government.

Which partly explains their avoidance of mentioning the military industrial complex.

Conservative authoritarians is the shoe that fits, at the moment, for me.

Authentic libertarianism (if there is such an animal) is generically anti-coercive authoritarian, whether it be of the conservative or liberal flavor.
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